Knicks Morning News (2021.08.22)

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    1. https://www.thestrick.land/strick/a-study-on-3-point-shooting-should-we-change-how-we-contextualize-3-point-defense-in-nba-advanced-stats-analytics

      Great article covering the knicks 3pt defense last year…. i won’t spoil it since you should read the whole thing but it covers all the things that was discussed about last season and where the whole opp 3pt defense is ‘luck’ thing came from…

      I don’t agree with all of its conclusions since i don’t think anyone ever claimed that all of the knicks defensive success came from opp 3pt shooting… but that doesn’t make it any less good… worth a read…

    2. Great article, DJ, thanks for sharing.

      A vast majority of the time, NBA players miss threes, and it is not due to “luck.” As discussed in the first section, 3-pointers vary significantly, needing a very large sample to stabilize. If anything, we should be using the term “variance” instead of “luck” when we discuss 3-pointers. It may sound like a silly, pointless change, but when it comes to statistics and understanding what datasets are saying, we need to use proper terminology so the NBA zeitgeist does not misrepresent what is happening on the court, and also doesn’t misrepresent what the data reflects.

      I loved this bit, because everyone on the media was still trying the little bit of remaining LolKnicks they could find, and insisted on luck all season, which was very annoying. Some months, it was OK, but all season long? Luck? How dumb is that?

    3. At first, when i read the title, i thought the “his favorite NYC pizza” part could be the detonator for renewed pizzarguments here, but he’s Kemba… there’s nothing controversial in his speech… amazing! :)

    4. djphan
      August 22, 2021 at 1:00 am
      before we start fellating the FO and giving them undeserved credit… there’s the OKC side of things where they are off the hook for whatever the Knicks are paying.. this probably doesn’t get done with just one year for 8-9mm….

      kemba was going to get his money regardless and he pitched in to make it happen but he wasn’t doing anyone favors with that second year… what he actually contributed was giving 4mm back which was the cost of not rotting in OKC to start the season…

      Sorry to resuscitate a bad take from late last night but this makes zero sense.

      “ there’s the OKC side of things where they are off the hook for whatever the Knicks are paying.. this probably doesn’t get done with just one year for 8-9mm….”

      OKC received Kemba in a salary dump. Kemba and OKC agreed to a buyout of the last two years of his contract so that OKC gets to save 20 million dollars over the next two years. The Knicks have nothing to do with this. How much money Kemba gets after being released does not affect how much OKC has to pay him over the next two years. Maybe knowing how much the Knicks would be willing to spend makes Kemba more comfortable leaving 20 million on the table to secure the buy out, but that is still Kemba’s decision and sacrifice.

      OKC doesn’t care if Kemba gets a one year deal for 8 million or if his second 8mil year is a player option or even if Kemba plays for the vet minimum, they still save the same 20 million. There are no offsets based on what the Knicks are paying him. Kemba cleared waivers so he was free to negotiate any contract with any team that had money available.

      Brian is right that Kemba had no real financial incentive to have the second year not be a player option. OKC doesn’t play into it at all. He did a favor to the Knicks. Getting Kemba locked in at two years at that rate is a coup for the FO no mater how you look at it, unless his knee is totally shot. I’m optimistic.

    5. Every corner has the best pizza is also a horrible take. Every corner has better pizza than Boston ok sure that’s true. But some corners aren’t great and I feel like having a real take on pizza is New Yorker 101. Especially if you grew up here like throw somebody a shout out ha. That answer is taking being politick too far for me. Or maybe Kemba’s just not a pizza guy.

    6. Man, these threads are coming fast and furious, hard to keep up! His take on NYC pizza will set him up well for a run for Mayor.

    7. MJ Walker = our new Theo Pinson?
      Bacon = Kevin Knox replacement?

      On a limb roster prediction: Grimes forces the FO to move Burks some time this season

      Also..Mitch looks JACKED. I wonder if he can still move at least close to how he moved prior to the weight gain. Using him in a package to get Myles Turner intrigues the hell outta me..but I REALLY wanna see the effect a healthy (fingers crossed) 275lb Mitchell Robinson has on the game. Offensively, all I need him to do is keep up his high level rim running and take the occasional 15 footer. Ewing had a slow release like Mitch, but he perfected that 15 footer and eventually added a little more range. That’s all we need from Mitch at this point, aside from staying healthy

    8. As a Bronx boy pizza snob myself, I would weigh in as follows:
      -if the atmosphere is great, the pizza tastes better to me.
      -Boston has some (but not many) great pizza places, Regina’s is one of my faves.
      -One of the best pizza serendipities I ever experienced is from a wood fird pizza truck outside of the Raquette River Brewing Co. in northern Adirondack Park in Tupper Lake NY. The beer and atmosphere at the brewery is also top notch, you order the pizza and get a buzzer so you can drink while waiting and then eat it inside at the bar or at a table. Highly recommended if you are ever up that way.

    9. ***[www.nbaanalysis.net] — Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:45:53 PM
      This Knicks-Warriors Trade Is Focused On Andrew Wiggins NBA Analysis Network***

      The Knicks Morning News bot really needs to weed these shitty “news” stories out before it publishes them so that we can start the day sane. Especially on a sunday.

    10. Donnie Walsh:
      ***[www.nbaanalysis.net] — Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:45:53 PM
      This Knicks-Warriors Trade Is Focused On Andrew WigginsNBA Analysis Network***

      The Knicks Morning News bot really needs to weed these shitty “news” stories out before it publishes them so that we can start the day sane. Especially on a sunday.

      lol

    11. BJ:
      Every corner has the best pizza is also a horrible take. Every corner has better pizza than Boston ok sure that’s true. But some corners aren’t great and I feel like having a real take on pizza is New Yorker 101. Especially if you grew up here like throw somebody a shout out ha. That answer is taking being politick too far for me. Or maybe Kemba’s just not a pizza guy.

      Every NYC corner has better pizza than LA tho ;)
      And they sell SLICES! How I miss just getting a slice instead of having to buy an “individual” pie.

    12. Yeah, thank God the bot is back. :)
      And you can do as i do, Donnie. Whenever i see the link is from nbaanalysis.net i take it as a joke. They’re very good at it, they even had Julius for Brook Lopez and a pick at some point last season. Very hard not to take it as a joke.

    13. The Infamous Cdiggy: Every NYC corner has better pizza than LA tho ;)
      And they sell SLICES! How I miss just getting a slice instead of having to buy an “individual” pie.

      Yeah, I was shocked that I couldn’t get a slice in Sausalito even at the most NY looking pizzarias.

    14. Donnie Walsh:
      ***[www.nbaanalysis.net] — Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:45:53 PM
      This Knicks-Warriors Trade Is Focused On Andrew WigginsNBA Analysis Network***

      The Knicks Morning News bot really needs to weed these shitty “news” stories out before it publishes them so that we can start the day sane. Especially on a sunday.

      Actually, I was just about to comment on that story (not blaming the bot mechanics tho). The collective IQ of this board must has spoiled me over the years because that was some lazy ass analy… you know that wasn’t even analysis but more beer-ladened guesswork. Suggesting that RJ could develop into Fournier? No legitimate attempt of an explanation on how Wiggins would fit the Knicks team build (we all know he wouldn’t but still). And calling Wiggins a “long-term piece” (maybe bc he’s 2 yrs younger than Fournier?)? Maybe the writer is a Wiggins-stan? Just a bad article all around.

    15. OKC doesn’t care if Kemba gets a one year deal for 8 million or if his second 8mil year is a player option or even if Kemba plays for the vet minimum, they still save the same 20 million. There are no offsets based on what the Knicks are paying him. Kemba cleared waivers so he was free to negotiate any contract with any team that had money available.

      um.. you realize none of this happened in sequential order right? this all was negotiated at once… and if kemba left 4mm on the table then where was there room for him to demand a player option? giving the front office credit for not giving him a player option is like crediting them for not giving in to player options on any deal they sign…. there’s just no proof either way that any of that was actually on the table or that they had leverage in a complicated three-way deal to be demanding that sort of thing….

      the only thing you can directly attribute is the 4mm and if you look at the evidence… if anything that points to the fact how little leverage kemba had here… i mean do the knicks get credit for not signing kemba to a four year deal too while we’re at it?

    16. well it’s sunday…always been my favorite day of the week, since forever…what the world needs now – is more days of rest…

    17. There are a scant handful of places in LA where you can get a NYC-style slice, and they’re not as good as a random run-of-the-mill pizza joint in NYC. It’s hard to find a good Italian market out here too. There’s no Little Italy to speak of.

      Can’t beat the tacos here though. Taco trucks are like the equivalent of the corner pizza shop in NYC.

    18. DJ you said

      “ there’s the OKC side of things where they are off the hook for whatever the Knicks are paying”

      This is patently wrong and instead of copping to it you change the subject. I’m not going to get drawn into trying to disprove your counterfactuals. Please defend your claim that OKC waiving Kemba in return for 20 million dollars in salary relief depends on what the Knicks offer Kemba in the second year of a prospective deal? The decision to take the buyout is 100% Kemba’s choice and I look forward to your argument that would prove otherwise. But I’m not holding my breath.

    19. This is patently wrong and instead of copping to it you change the subject.

      What is there to defend? OKC bought Kemba out … the Knicks made up the difference…. whatever was residual from that Kemba chipped in…

      that’s the whole point to a buyout … that OKC doesn’t have to commit whatever is left on Kemba’s salary…. Kemba agrees to it because he’s getting that money from elsewhere and also whatever he’s willing to relinquish….

      Kemba gave up 20mm in total … Walker gave up $9,777,778 in 2021-22 and $10,222,222 in 2022-23…

      do you assume that OKC was paying kemba no matter what the knicks kicking in or something?

    20. JK47:
      There are a scant handful of places in LA where you can get a NYC-style slice, and they’re not as good as a random run-of-the-mill pizza joint in NYC. It’s hard to find a good Italian market out here too. There’s no Little Italy to speak of.

      Can’t beat the tacos here though. Taco trucks are like the equivalent of the corner pizza shop in NYC.

      True, although the taco thing is catching on in the New York area lately. Here in Northern Westchester there are a bunch of taco places within a few miles of me, and there’s enough variety to find one to one’s liking. Same with the UWS, although they tend to have larger menus and are far removed from the taco truck genre. Most of the taco trucks I see out this way are at street fairs and parties. We had one at our school’s graduation celebration.

    21. I think OKC and Walker agreed to a buyout specifically because the knicks had significant cap space and needed a point guard. So the coup in this actually appears to belong to Presti, who ultimately bought the #16 pick in the draft for $5mil in dead cap space (and then turned it into to two future first round picks (both protected 1-4)).

    22. The congruence of the amount the Knicks are paying Kemba and the amount of the discount the Thunder received as part of Kemba’s buyout is not a coincidence. It is clear that Kemba knew exactly how much he would get from the Knicks when he negotiated with the Thunder.

      Kemba’s leverage was that he did not have to give any discount off of his fully guaranteed salary.

      The Thunder’s leverage was that they did not have to release Kemba. If the Knicks wanted him, they had to make it worthwhile for the Thunder. Once the Knicks were committed to an amount, the Thunder were basically indifferent to getting a buyout at a reduced price. They could have released him and simply recouped the amount Kemba would receive from the Knicks.

    23. DJ I don’t understand what you are arguing.

      The Knicks didn’t “kick in” anything. OKC agreed to a 20 million dollar buyout with Kemba. That is OKC’s decision and it is completely independent of what the Knicks offer Kemba. That is my entire argument that there is no “OKC side of it” as you claimed in relation to the second year contract with Kemba. Can you admit you were wrong about that?

      Are you arguing that Kemba wouldn’t accept a 20 million dollar buyout if he didn’t know he would recoup some of that in a future contract with the Knicks? There really isn’t any evidence for that either but that is a separate question from the one I posed to you. And it also has nothing to do with OKC.

    24. Ephus- They weren’t congruent though, the buyout and the contract Kemba signed with the Knicks are for different numbers. You can say the Knicks had to offer Kemba a certain amount to make it worth it to Kemba to accept the buyout. But that is a Kemba decision not an OKC decision.

      And if Kemba wanted to maximize his financial return over the next two years he would be better off accepting the buyout, taking a one year deal from us at the most we could give him and then hitting the free agent market next year. Are you really saying Kemba would not beat a 10 million dollar one year deal for 2022-23 pretty much no matter what happens this season? The fact that he didn’t do that means he left money on the table for us (more than just the 4 million buyout discrepancy), and that was Brian’s whole argument.

    25. I know what Kemba means. I love low key best foods. Not “super everyone knows about it hip trendy”. My best bagel? Queens BLVD near Union Turnpike. H&H too sweet! and GIGANTIC. Best pizza? I remember a place in Sheepshead Bay…

      Big cities are awesome for little finds. That’s culture. You can find a slice anywhere. And there’s lots of hype around certain places, but in NYC there is just so much low hanging fruit.

      Music is similar. I can walk into The Owl Music Parlor in Brooklyn and hear something great and different. Other cities are just generic. BOS doesn’t have the population density or diversity. LA is not walkable. There’s a middle class scene in NY, non trademarked places, etc.

      NY is fucking special and I miss it like crazy. Probably why I love the Knicks so much. They represent (to me) the true uniqueness of my home town. Were we the first city with basketball hoops put up in every playground? I imagine so…

    26. Are you arguing that Kemba wouldn’t accept a 20 million dollar buyout if he didn’t know he would recoup some of that in a future contract with the Knicks? There really isn’t any evidence for that either but that is a separate question from the one I posed to you. And it also has nothing to do with OKC.

      wait.. kemba agreeing to a buyout with an almost simultaneous announcement that he was signing with the knicks didn’t clue you in that the buyout and what he was signing with the knicks were intertwined?

      yes in pure financial terms there is no relation…. but what kemba and okc was negotiating was with full knowledge on what he could get from some other potential suitor… i can’t imagine why i have to explain this…

      you’re also arguing that okc had ZERO financial benefit from this which is not true…

      here is OKC’s cap situation after the trade.. i did not make this… some really bright and hardworking people on the okc subreddit made it… as you can see as a result of the kemba buyout they are right at the salary floor for the 2022-2023 season…. that is not accounting for any offset which can potentially come due to kemba’s knick salary for that year…

      so what question am i not answering here? what more do you need? and what have you offered up in comparison?

    27. 1. I believe that Kemba wanted to be a Knick strongly enough that he was willing to sign here so long as he was roughly equalized on salary he would give up from OKC.

      2. If Kemba’s knee blows out this year, he would not be able to get anything above a minimum salary when (and if) he returned.

      3. If Kemba’s knee limits him again this season, he would not be able to get $10m for next year.

    28. That Strickland article is great and gives me a little more hope than I previously had that we have the foundation of a great, if not elite, defense.

      A hill I will die on: the absolute best slice in the city is at Pizza Pete’s on Columbus between 85th and 86th.

    29. Has anyone in the organization talked in depth about Kemba’s health concerns? I’d like to know their stated expectations. Is he a starter or just an opener?

      2 years 18 million is actually quite a gamble if he’s really damaged goods.

    30. thenoblefacehumper: A hill I will die on: the absolute best slice in the city is at Pizza Pete’s on Columbus between 85th and 86th.

      Next time I’m in town! Not far from my mom’s place. Thanks

    31. And if Kemba wanted to maximize his financial return over the next two years

      if kemba wanted to maximize his financial return.. he would’ve started off by not leaving 4mm on the table…

    32. I think the FO should be praised for the Kemba homecoming. Last time around he chose Boston, because we were running the Mills-Fizdale shitshow. This time he could easily have gone somewhere else, would the Bulls sign Caruso or Kemba, for the same money? He wanted to come here, alright, but that’s one of the things we ask the FO to do, to turn MSG into a desirable destination and to grab guys that want to come here. That’s what they did, i’m praising them on this move. And as Brian said, the 2nd year is huge, because if Kemba plays somewhere near all-star level again, he doesn’t have an option to try to cash in more money, he’ll be under contract. If his knee fails him (and us all), i don’t think there was a better low risk high reward move to do with those 8M.

    33. 2. If Kemba’s knee blows out this year, he would not be able to get anything above a minimum salary when (and if) he returned.

      3. If Kemba’s knee limits him again this season, he would not be able to get $10m for next year.

      But he didn’t get a player option, which would have also protected him from #2 and #3. This deal is very much a team-friendly deal when I don’t think the Knicks really had much leverage, so it’s an interesting decision on Kemba’s part to, in effect, do the Knicks a favor by accepting a guaranteed second year. I suppose the Knicks just outright said they would only sign him to a guaranteed two-year deal and he said, “Okay,” but that sounds surprising, right? You would think Kemba would have more leverage here than the Knicks, but apparently not.

      It’s a wonderful piece of news for the Knicks.

    34. Even with a bad knee, Kemba still put up positive numbers overall last year. He had a better OBPM than Derrick Rose did and would have been, his BPM was 1.8 compared to Rose’s 1.9, and his cumulativr VORP was higher than Derrick Rose’s. He played between 30 and 39 minutes 28 times, probably because he was the highest paid player on the Celts and restricting him to 24 minutes or less would have been unseemly. So the question is: after a full offseason when you are on the books for less than Randle, Fournier, Rose, and even Nerlens Noel and managing your minutes is far more palatable, will a reduced role make a difference in the health of his knee? Risking $9 AAV million guaranteed for 2 years is as much of a no-brainer as there could possibly be, especially for a team with a desperate need at PG.

      The NYK situation was perfect for both parties. Kemba wants to play for the Knicks for a lot of reasons, but the single most important one is that they are a competitive team. If we had tanked again, it would have made much less sense for him and he would have probably taken the same or less money to play elsewhere in a similarly limited role. So the FO deserves credit for creating an attractive landing spot against all expectations, for keeping the amount of cap space open that would make the deal possible, and for maximizing the PR benefits of making the deal. If the timing of the buyout and signing announcement suggests anything, it’s that WWW was doing his job and they knew in advance that this was going to happen. Same with the financials…seems that Brock Aller had enough of a heads up to come up with contracts that accomodated Kemba’s deal without having to jettison anyone, even Knox or Vildoza. I mean, what do you need Aller and World Wide Wes for if it isn’t for stuff like that?

    35. It’s possible that Leon wanted a team option (he has it on all the other deals, right?) and Kemba’s team wanted a player option (Leon hasn’t done a single player option deal yet, how refreshing!) so they met in the middle and just guaranteed the 2 years, which carries risks and rewards for both parties. In that way, it’s a win for both sides. If we had a shittier team, Kemba could have insisted on a player option, or maybe wouldn’t have been interested at all.

    36. This deal is very much a team-friendly deal when I don’t think the Knicks really had much leverage, so it’s an interesting decision on Kemba’s part to, in effect, do the Knicks a favor by accepting a guaranteed second year.

      why would kemba have more leverage when he actually gave up 4mm and is actually routine for players to kick in money in order to grease the wheels so they can move on in these buyout situations?

      it’s possible he had other suitors.. but i can’t imagine it was a lot as there weren’t many teams with a)cap room to give okc the financial relief (~20mm split over one or two years)… or b)wanted to make a commitment to kemba for more than a year…

      here are the teams with ntmle (9.5mm) available now:

      HOU
      MIN
      SAC
      TOR
      CHA
      NOP

      that was basically the competition from a pure money perspective… i’m sure the knicks probably beat out new orleans or maybe minnesota… but that’s not exactly a ton of competition for kemba’s services…

    37. why would kemba have more leverage when he actually gave up 4mm

      how are you calculating $4mm? the difference between kemba’s reported buyout haircut ($9.8 and $10.2) and his nyk contract ($8.7 and $9.2) is $2.1mm.

    38. My favorite bagels are definitely Black Seed bagels. The most delicious breadstuff I have ever had was a sesame seed they handed me straight out of the oven.

      I used to like a place called Pizza Gruppo. Then Luzzo’s. Motorino was really good but I think I never quite felt like it lived up to all the hype. Never made it to Roberta’s.

      I think as others have said, it’s just the case that the average slice in NYC at your regular pizza place is outstanding compared to anywhere else.

      Also, I figured out the edit function issue. By reducing the size of the text box I was able to get my submit button to reappear again. All is well in the world. Well, I thought I had and then it put this at the top of the thread.

    39. ah sorry… it was originally reported at 4mm i missed the update… makes sense since that is roughly the same as the ntmle…

      point is… he gave up money and if he had any leverage whatsoever he wouldn’t have been doing that… and it looks like he was going to have to kick in money to whatever destination he was going to land in anyway given the cap situation around the league… so either the knicks put in more money commitment for that second year to make it work or kemba chose the knicks over another ntmle team….

      in either case he was not likely in a position to be demanding a player option.. nobody in the buyout market has ever gotten that and there was no indication that he was so in demand or else someone else would’ve given up cap room to grab him….

    40. I must chime in. Ahh the pizza and the bagels. I grew up in forest hills, queens. Your favorite pizza is like grandmas Sunday dinner or your moms cooking. It’s personal and what you grew up with. For me, it was joes pizzeria on 108 street in forest hills (now renamed pizza and pasta city). That’s my local pizza joint and my mouth still waters when I go home and walk by it. It’s changed owners but each incoming owner learned from the previous owner and the recipe has stayed the same. The current owners are Mexican and the pizza is still great. I almost can never resist a slice when I walk by. Perfect crust. Cheese to sauce ratio. Sauce slightly tangy with a sweet hint. Cheese fresh mozzarella with just the right amount of oil. Of course we are spoiled as New Yorkers. I live near Syracuse NY now and the pizza mostly sucks up here. There was a pizza joint in Norwich NY (1 hour drive), called pasquales. The owner was from queens and shipped water up from Nyc to use in his crust. His pizza was the closest to nyc pizza in this region. He also always had the Mets on the tv in his shop. Alas they closed a few years back. Love hearing all the nyc stories from this diverse group. I miss the city like we miss an old lover that we never got over. It’s an ache deep in our hearts. I hope to retire back into the city some day. Then I can catch my knicks more regularly in person.

    41. in either case he was not likely in a position to be demanding a player option.. nobody in the buyout market has ever gotten that and there was no indication that he was so in demand or else someone else would’ve given up cap room to grab him….

      Players in the buyout market don’t get player options because players don’t typically sign for multiple years period, because they’re almost always guys who want to become free agents after they prove they still have something left in the tank. It’s unusual for Kemba to sign for two years.

    42. If the timing of the buyout and signing announcement suggests anything, it’s that WWW was doing his job and they knew in advance that this was going to happen.

      The Knicks literally tried to sign another free agent point guard the day before Kemba was bought out for the money they gave Kemba, so that suggests the opposite. But the Knicks definitely do deserve credit for being a place Kemba would want to go.

    43. the traditional pizza parlors I grew up by and visited in the city when I was young served this wafer thin spartan sauced shredded cheese oregano tasting sllice…

      that’s cool…too much of every thing is just enough though…and yeah, more sugar please…so these days my fave slices are from this parlor downtown selling think crusted, thick sweet sauced absolutely covered in cheese…it’s soooooo good…

      decent Italian deli in town, never go there though, excellent Italian market a few towns…

    44. Brian Cronin: The Knicks literally tried to sign another free agent point guard the day before Kemba was bought out for the money they gave Kemba, so that suggests the opposite. But the Knicks definitely do deserve credit for being a place Kemba would want to go.

      I see your point, but it’s a pretty strong coincidence that the buyout was announced right after the last viable PG options went off the market, including Nunn. Team reps chat behind the scenes all the time and there’s certainly a chance that Wes spoke with a Dallas rep who told him that they were considering buying Kemba out but the money wasn’t right yet,

    45. It’s unusual for Kemba to sign for two years.

      it’s unusual .. but if you look at okc’s return on the buyout you can see why that second year was likely necessary in order for them to agree to it… if it was just 9mm they probably just roll the dice on the season to see if they can do better next summer…

      the player’s in these situations do not have a lot of leverage.. which is why blake gave back a ton of money in order to get bought out to goto the nets… and the fact that kemba gave back any money at all probably meant he didn’t have many options.. we basically gave taj free money for the amount of money kemba gave back so i highly doubt kemba had much say in how all this shook out… he was probably just relieved he got to where he wanted to go without giving back blake type of money…

      it was a mutually beneficial deal… a win-win-win for everyone but there’s not much to read beyond that…

    46. DJ you just keep spouting the same nonsense over and over. Kemba could have accepted a 20 million dollar buyout from OKC regardless of whether he then signs a one year deal or two year deal. OKC would have exactly the same “return on the buyout “. You said earlier the buyout sets OKC up to be right at the salary floor. That is evidence that the 20 million number came from OKC and was based on what it was worth to OKC to release Kemba early. It has nothing to do with what Kemba gets in his next contract after he is waived. There are not “offsets”. You don’t seem to understand this and I don’t seem to be explaining it in a way you can understand. You should google “how do buyouts work NBA”, I think you are fundamentally confused.

      You seem to be arguing now that Kemba would only accept the buyout from OKC if he had a guarantee that it would be recouped from money from a new contract. This makes little sense to me and I see no evidence for it.

      You say if Kemba was trying to maximize financial return he wouldn’t leave money on the table to be bought out. Actually the path to making the most money is to get about 9 million this year and then get as much money as possible next year in free agency. It’s true that when Kemba was waived not all landing spots were open to him due to lack of cap space. But if he took a one year deal from us then other teams would have more space to compete for him at the start of the next free agency.

      Kemba didn’t do this. To me, this isn’t about Kemba not having leverage. He clearly wanted to come to the Knicks. It seems like he wanted to play here at least two years, given that he didn’t go the 20 mil buyout and 9 million one year deal knowing he could make more than eleven million in year two from pretty much the contender of his choice. To me Kemba committing to two years and leaving money on the table shows that he wants to be here. I don’t see why you can’t give the FO credit for that.

    47. I see your point, but it’s a pretty strong coincidence that the buyout was announced right after the last viable PG options went off the market, including Nunn. Team reps chat behind the scenes all the time and there’s certainly a chance that Wes spoke with a Dallas rep who told him that they were considering buying Kemba out but the money wasn’t right yet,

      I’m sure the Knicks knew about it before it was officially announced, and made it clear that they’d gladly give Kemba all of the money that they had left (and I’m sure that that was communicated to OKC), but I don’t believe it was a plan by the Knicks, which is why they were trying to give the same money they offered Kemba to Nunn the day before. But really, as we always say, luck often comes to those who are prepared for it. So I certainly don’t think it’s a knock on the Knicks that they were well-positioned to take advantage of a well-timed event. I think it’s a credit to them, really. I just don’t think they knew this was coming until that day (or the previous night, you know what I mean, at some point after Nunn turned them down). It just wouldn’t have made sense for them to offer Nunn that contract if they knew Walker was going to be available for the same money.

    48. You seem to be arguing now that Kemba would only accept the buyout from OKC if he had a guarantee that it would be recouped from money from a new contract. This makes little sense to me and I see no evidence for it.

      Why do you find this non sensical? No one is saying he didn’t want to play for the Knicks. But Maybe you would lose a third of your salary to get a job you preferred, but most people would want to retain their salary if possible. I’m sure he wanted to come close in earnings overall. He does have to agree to the buyout so he has leverage.

    49. I lived across from the Ray’s on Prince St between Mott and Elizabeth in the mid-80s. I kinda subsisted on their slices for a while. Thinking of their black olive, pesto, ricotta slice is like squeezing the salivary glands beneath my tongue. Still such a vivid taste and smell decades after I last put one in my mouth and so intimately tied to the feeling of going through all the crazy and exciting things in my life back then.

    50. llcoolbp:
      …Of course we are spoiled as New Yorkers. I live near Syracuse NY now and the pizza mostly sucks up here. There was a pizza joint in Norwich NY (1 hour drive), called pasquales. The owner was from queens and shipped water up from Nyc to use in his crust. His pizza was the closest to nyc pizza in this region. He also always had the Mets on the tv in his shop. Alas they closed a few years back. Love hearing all the nyc stories from this diverse group. I miss the city like we miss an old lover that we never got over. It’s an ache deep in our hearts. I hope to retire back into the city some day. Then I can catch my knicks more regularly in person.

      Yoooo… so I lived in Syracuse for a combined 6+ years and I definitely feel you. That said, you need to hit up Franco’s on E. Genesee down the hill from SU and ask for their chicken bacon ranch slice. Thank me later ;)

      What’s it say about LA that I long for a slice from a Syracuse pizzeria? Lol

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