Knicks Morning News (2015.03.26)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ front office ranks second-worst in NBA (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:41:17 GMT)

    The hits keep coming for Phil Jackson and the Knicks.

  • [New York Daily News] Mike Woodson returns to Garden as Clippers blow out Knicks (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:38:08 GMT)

    Mike Woodson admitted it was “a little strange” to be back at the Garden on Wednesday night to face his former team.

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Wednesday’s NBA Games (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:02:19 GMT)

    Highlights of Wednesday’s National Basketball Association games:

  • [New York Times] Cousins Scores 24 Points, Kings Top Suns 108-99 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:41:50 GMT)

    DeMarcus Cousins scored 24 points, all but four coming in the first three quarters, and grabbed 11 rebounds to help the Sacramento Kings beat the Phoenix Suns 108-99 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Blazers Use 10-Point Comeback to Beat Jazz 92-89 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:38:52 GMT)

    Damian Lillard refused to let the reeling Trail Blazers lose their sixth consecutive game Wednesday night. Portland was on the verge of exactly that, trailing by 10 points in the fourth quarter, when the third-year point guard from nearby Weber State decided to attack the basket again and again and again.

  • [New York Times] Howard Returns, Rockets Beat Pelicans 95-93 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:35:53 GMT)

    Dwight Howard corralled a no-look pass from James Harden along the baseline and went up quickly for a forceful one-handed stuff.

  • [New York Times] Clarkson Shines in OT to Lead Lakers Over Wolves, 101-99 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:26:47 GMT)

    Jordan Clarkson took a step back before helping the Los Angeles Lakers take one forward.

  • [New York Times] San Antonio Routs Oklahoma City 130-91 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:08:43 GMT)

    Tony Parker had 21 points and six assists, and the San Antonio Spurs stopped Oklahoma City’s four-game winning streak with a runaway 130-91 victory over the Thunder on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Metta World Peace to Play in Italy (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 03:30:27 GMT)

    World Peace signed with the Italian team Pallacanestro Cantu for the remainder of the season.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Knicks Approach a Franchise Record With a Pounding From the Clippers (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 03:18:12 GMT)

    With a 111-80 hammering at the hands of the Los Angeles Clippers, the Knicks moved a loss away from matching the franchise’s worst single-season record.

  • [New York Times] Irving Scores 24 to Lead Cavaliers Past Grizzlies 111-89 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:47:36 GMT)

    Kyrie Irving scored 24 points, Kevin Love added 22 points and 10 rebounds, and the Cleveland Cavaliers rolled to a 111-89 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Injury-Riddled Heat Beat Celtics 93-86 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:35:33 GMT)

    Goran Dragic had 22 points and seven assists, and the banged-up Miami Heat beat the Boston Celtics 93-86 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Brook Lopez Scores 34, Nets Hold Off Hornets 91-88 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:29:34 GMT)

    Brook Lopez was disappointed when he turned the ball over on an inbounds pass with 3.2 seconds left in the game and the Brooklyn Nets up by three.

  • [New York Times] George Hill’s Layup Lifts Pacers Over Wizards 103-101 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:26:26 GMT)

    George Hill’s driving layup with 2.7 seconds left lifted the Indiana Pacers over the Washington Wizards 103-101 on Wednesday night, snapping the Pacers’ six-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Rally in 4th, Down Magic 95-83 to End Losing Streak (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:50:44 GMT)

    Paul Millsap had 25 points and 11 rebounds, and the Atlanta Hawks snapped a three-game losing streak with a 95-83 victory over the Orlando Magic on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Jordan Goes 7 for 7, Clippers Pound Knicks 111-80 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:47:59 GMT)

    DeAndre Jordan raised the NBA’s best shooting percentage above 71 percent by making all seven shots and scoring 14 points, and the Los Angeles Clippers pounded the New York Knicks 111-80 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Beat Raptors for Fifth Straight Time, 116-103 (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:44:45 GMT)

    Jimmy Butler scored 23 points, Pau Gasol had 18 and the Chicago Bulls beat Toronto 116-103 on Wednesday night for their fifth consecutive victory against the Raptors.

  • [New York Post] Woodson: If I were Knicks coach, I would’ve fought to keep Chandler (Thu, 26 Mar 2015 03:25:37 -0400)

    Imagine how things might have been different if Knicks president Phil Jackson had been impressed enough with Mike Woodson's 16-5 finish last season to allow the coach to finish out…

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    82 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.03.26)”

    1. Great loss last night! Can’t wait till we get the first overall pick in the draft so Phil can trade it for Austin Rivers (led the Clips in scoring after all) or Gerald Wallace!

    2. Nerlens Noel you have my attention.

      Ok, who am I kidding, I love low usage dunkers with windmills for arms – been following him since Tilton. Four steals and four blocks last night to go with his efficient 14-15 line.

      He should be ROY. It’s not close. And the best part of that is him playing hard down the stretch to win the award might be the difference to our tank.

      Although our tank does look really really unstoppable right now.

    3. @2 I´m not so sure, Minny is tanking real hard right now (yesterday they sat out Rubio, Garnett, Martin, Neal and Bennett) , and their schedule seems easier than ours. Hope they get some players back and win a couple of games. At least, it looks like we have secured the “second” place.

    4. I think I’d go Mirotic over Noel, Owen, but yeah, the fact that they’re both going to get smoked in the voting by a player having a rather shitty overall season is quite dispiriting.

    5. I find it more amusing than dispiriting, but yeah, if Wiggins wins it certainly won’t be deserved. Wiggins has been good enough that given his age Wolves fans can still be optimistic. But he sure hasn’t been good this year.

    6. And it’s not like Wiggins hasn’t shown enough to make it appear like he will become a very good player. I think he has shown that. I think it is very likely that he grows into a strong player. But I don’t get why it has been decided that we have to reward him now when he hasn’t actually gotten there yet.

    7. I would give the award to Mirotic, but he won’t win because of the pubic hair he has grown on his face.

      Seriously though, if Wiggins wins the award will not that be proof enough that pointz and dunkz are all that matters to be relevant in the NBA?

      Also, I totally second the DRed system with 4 players in the corners and one under the hoop (I have already given a name to that too: the Bowtie). But I have a question for you, DRed: where would you employ Bargs in that system? I’d go for the right corner, so he can school KG everytime.

    8. if you read the talking heads re: ROY, i don’t think it’s clear at all that Wiggins is going to win. Payton, Noel, Mirotic all definitely in the conversation.

      Meanwhile I don’t necessarily think Minny has that much harder a schedule than we do, if you consider the fact that we will be a big underdog in just about every game other than perhaps the Sixers. With Shved shut down, we literally have zero players capable of getting into the paint on even an occasional basis, which will equal a bunch of beatdowns like last night.

    9. if you read the talking heads re: ROY, i don’t think it’s clear at all that Wiggins is going to win. Payton, Noel, Mirotic all definitely in the conversation.

      Those guys have been given lip service, but no real consideration. Although I love a bit I saw on NBA.com where they were dismissing Mirotic and Noel because it “isn’t the Rookie of the last two months of the season, it’s the Rookie of the Year” when Wiggins’ entire case for the award is a good stretch he had in January.

      Sorry, I mean entire legitimate case for the award. His entire actual case is the fact that he is averaging 15 points a game while the other three are not even in double digits, and as Farfa noted, pointz rule.

    10. Random thought on the Clippers:
      Watching JJ Reddick’s prime asshole-ry at Duke, who would have thought that he would somehow end up as the least piece-of-shit player on an NBA team some day? God, are the Clippers obnoxious in every possible way. Very much looking forward to watching them lose before the conference finals again.

    11. It must be pretty exciting to be a Sixers fan right now, a lot to look forward to next year. Noel’s emergence, along with Embiid coming back, potentially two lottery picks this year. For fans, it always seems more fun to root for, and see, young players players develop.

      I’m rooting for them to succeed just because their rebuilding experiment was so extreme and fascinating, and just to prove all the naysayers wrong (i.e. those who complained that “OMG Tanking!!!”” was ruining the integrity of the game).

    12. I, for one, root for the Sixers to succeed because they are the opposite of the Billy King Nets or the Isiah Thomas Bockers. Plus, they look like a bunch of good character guys (I hope for them they deal away Wroten, who is one of my least favorite players in the NBA, slightly behind Dion Waiters and Reggie Jackson).

    13. I don’t want them to succeed because they’re in the Knicks’ division. :)

      If it weren’t for that, then yes, I’d root for them, too.

    14. Wiggins’ entire case for the award is a good stretch he had in January.

      And he was the number 1 pick. And very hyped out of HS.

    15. Yeah, sorry, that’s what I meant by my qualifier that that stretch was his only legit case for the RotY.

    16. It must be pretty exciting to be a Sixers fan right now

      Nah. I think its nerve racking actually. We dont know anything about Embiid and yea its nice to have lottery picks but what does that even mean?

      Some recent lottery picks.

      Dion Waiters
      Bennett
      Thompson
      Thomas Robinson
      Austin Rivers

      etc.

      We have to see whether they have a top 2 pick. I actually think the Celtics have a brighter future.

    17. I’d much rather be the Celtics than the Sixers and I don’t think Hinkie’s a genius for doing things a lot of other GM’s would do if given the same latitude and patience the new ownership in Philly has given him. Tearing something down is the easy part, but building it back up into a legitimately competitive team is tough. What Philly does have going for them is a massive margin for error with all their picks, but at some point those picks need to become players on the court and until we see that the jury is very much out. His process seems solid enough, but the results of it are unknown so far beyond Noel being amazing on defense.

      Also definitely not rooting for the Sixers because I’m a Knicks fan and they’re in our division.

      I’m on the Noel for ROY train, but I think Wiggins is going to be a very good and maybe great player.

    18. Yeah, everyone was hyping Utah a couple of years ago because of Favors and Kanter (and Hayward); but if it turns out right it may be because they drafted Gobert at 27 (hey, the Knicks could have drafted him!)

      I am not saying it was the wrong strategy; but your lottery picks may turn middling players. I actually like Hayward and Favors, and they are still young, and with the right pieces they will have a really nice team (a good PG is sorely needed, and Exum has looked meh so far). But it is far from a slam dunk.

      BTW, Mirotic definitely deserves RoTY. But Thibs playing him little at the beginning of the season hinders his chances.

    19. Isola with what seems to be a purely speculative piece about Kevin Love:

      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/isola-rift-lebron-drive-love-join-knicks-article-1.2162496?utm_content=buffer2facd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

      Love would be a very interesting piece next to Melo. Obviously there are the defensive issues but if you draft Towns and invest some $ in another defensive big (ie. Robin Lopez or Koufos or someone like that) or a defensive wing (Danny Green?), it might be ok. Offensively he and Melo would be interchangeable – and it’s not quite the same as Melo+Amare since Love is a more diverse offensive player than Amare is/was (mostly because he’s a true threat from 3 point range and because he’s a far superior passer compared with Amare).

      I think Draymond fits better because of his defensive abilities (and because he’d be a mini-max) but Love is unrestricted.

      (by the way I’d be fully satisfied if our FA shopping spree nets us Draymond and Danny Green, and our draft nets us Okafor or Towns. I’d also be in favor of giving Shved the room exception if he won’t take the vet’s minimum)

    20. Some recent lottery picks.

      Dion Waiters
      Bennett
      Thompson
      Thomas Robinson
      Austin Rivers

      But the Sixers’ front office hasn’t made those picks, almost all of which were obviously bad picks the very second they were made (Thompson wasn’t, but he’s also been pretty solid in the NBA). The picks the Sixers have made inspire confidence. Whether you’d rather be them or the Celtics is up for debate, but as a Knicks fan I’m very jealous of their situation. They’re better than us as it stands with far more picks and far more cap space.

    21. by the way Brian or Ephus or anyone else who knows the answer – do you lose all cap exceptions (other than room exception) if you are under the cap at any point? Specifically, could we theoretically sign Shved or Jason Smith or any of these guys AFTER we go on our FA shopping spree? I understand we’d have to renounce bird rights etc. to free ourselves from their cap hold, but does that include non-bird or early bird rights too? if so, it sure feels like it’s better to be over the cap than under, since you’d get non-bird, early bird, full bird, and MLE exceptions rather than just the crappy room exception.

    22. Yeah, everyone was hyping Utah a couple of years ago because of Favors and Kanter

      I just love the fact that those two were traded for Darren Williams. The Nets got a steal compared to the Knicks right hahahahahahaha.

    23. Some recent lottery picks.

      Dion Waiters
      Bennett
      Thompson

      By the 11th ranked front office in the NBA (coming in with a 7.09 score-it’s mathlicious!), according to the experts who put us second to last.

    24. Boston is in a nice position with all their draft picks, but they’re starting with a foundation of their 2 best players being Sullinger and Bradley. Plus, most of those picks have a lot of bells and whistles – this year they have their pick and the Clippers pick, and then picks from Dallas, Minn. and Philly which are lottery protected. Similar situation in 2016, so they might not get a top 10 pick this year or next.

      What Ainge is going to try and do is package those picks to bring in a star, but easier said than done, since they don’t have a lot to give back in terms of high quality players. I think Philly is in a better position because of the known quality assets they have with Noel and probably Embiid.

    25. by the way Brian or Ephus or anyone else who knows the answer – do you lose all cap exceptions (other than room exception) if you are under the cap at any point? Specifically, could we theoretically sign Shved or Jason Smith or any of these guys AFTER we go on our FA shopping spree? I understand we’d have to renounce bird rights etc. to free ourselves from their cap hold, but does that include non-bird or early bird rights too? if so, it sure feels like it’s better to be over the cap than under, since you’d get non-bird, early bird, full bird, and MLE exceptions rather than just the crappy room exception.

      Just like we have to renounce Bird rights to get rid of their cap holds we would also need to renounce our exceptions. Technically, we could keep the MLE but we would have $5.7M-ish less in cap space. And yes, we would have to renounce non-Bird and early Bird free agents as well to free those cap holds. We’ll also lose any traded player exceptions we still have.

      It definitely isn’t better to be over the cap than under except in certain circumstances and the room exception is supposed to fix that. In our case, virtually none of our upcoming free agents are worth bringing back for anything other than the vet minimum anyway; if our front office is fretting over having to waive Bargnani’s Bird rights we’re in deeper shit than any of us know. The only player this might hurt us with is Shved who, if we want to retain, we’ll probably have to offer him is $4M QO which will create a $8M cap hold.

      Being under the cap also allows us to make uneven trades. So, if some team is looking to dump a player and will give up assets to do it, we can make that trade without having to worry if the contracts match.

    26. Boston is in a nice position with all their draft picks, but they’re starting with a foundation of their 2 best players being Sullinger and Bradley

      Yea the way i look at it is that boston has a great team minus the top two players. In other words they are missing the pippen/jordan shaq/kobe tandem. They have plenty of assets to either try to draft them or try to aquire them. Philly on the other hand has nothing besides Grant and Noel on the roster, maybe Covington. They are literally starting from scratch.

    27. Smart has played really well for a rookie. Can’t shoot, but if he ever learns, that’s a terrific player. And if he doesn’t, you at least have a defensive terror. Boston isn’t set, but they are definitely in a good place (for the reasons y’all have listed).

    28. @d-mar

      The one thing you’re not bringing up though is free agency and Boston is way more attractive to free agents than Philly on the basis of not tanking away multiple seasons on end. I’d expect Boston to make a run at Love and Draymond this summer for example and either of those guys is going to return max value on their contracts because Stevens is a top-5 coach right now in the league, at least offensively.

      I also have a lot more faith in Ainge than Hinkie as well because he’s already done it before and I think he’s adept and calculated when it comes to being a step ahead and knowing when to go all in and when to tear it down. That’s just me though.

    29. However, if that’s the case, why should the Knicks get an enhanced David Lee for max money? He plays small for a power forward, has no idea what defense is and might be a terrible fit with Melo.

      See, David Lee is a good NBA player. So an enhanced DLee is a better player. I think a Love Towns Melo front line would be nice. But they need defensive role players

    30. plus 13 scrubs would paralyze the team at 40-45 wins for another 5 years

      No because the cap is going up like shit in 2016. And why do you think there will be 13 scrubs?

    31. I’m ok with Melo and Love.

      Like er said, if we surround them with defensive players we would be fine.

      Insert Calderon and THJr in this lineup and I can imagine a horrible outcome.

    32. The notion that the cap increase (big as it might be) will only benefit the Knicks is just a dream. All teams will have access to the cap increase, all players will be asking for more money.

      In fact, an argument could be made that the biggest beneficiaries will be teams who have good players signed for several years, extending beyond the 2016 ‘bonanza’. Teams like the Knicks, lacking good contracts, will have more money but they will have to pay higher prices for every player.

      But see thats actually the arguement to not wait til the playing field is even. Strike this year and hope to build something attractive by 2016.

    33. The two free agents I want nothing to do with this off season are Love and Rondo.

      Please just sign two-way players with no attitude issues from this point forward and I’ll be happy.

    34. you could build a really great defensive team with bargain bin free agent types.. defense has always been undervalued and should still be the case this offseason…. build around melo and hopefully towns … that’s enough to get to .500 in the east… conceivable to even have cap room leftover for 2016 depending on who gets signed…

    35. I like Kevin Love a ton, but hate the fit with him and Melo. Not only do they do a lot of the same stuff, but both have made it very clear at points in their career that they do not enjoy being made to take a backseat on offense. Both want to be the hub on that end, and given their weaknesses on the other end, it makes sense to let them be that, and compliment them by finding guys who don’t need the ball as much on O, and are strong on the other end. Love is a pretty good fit in the Triangle, and if weren’t all-in on Melo I’d be more than happy to have him, but I just do not like the idea of a Melo-Love combo at the forwards – even more so because I expect Melo to need to guard 4s more often going forward given his age/knee situation.

    36. No Love. A Love-Melo frontcourt would be awful. Two sub-par defenders on the wings? I don’t care who our center is, that is going to be a sh*t show.

      No Rondo. It is clear that he is not the same player he was in 2012. He also can’t shoot.

      Any wing player we get has to be a solid two-way player.

      Any center we get, has to be a rim protector.

      That is the price of Melo.

      It has been written.

    37. Personally, I wouldn’t be upset really, because Kevin Love is really good and still only 26. There’s a lot of worse ways we could spend our money. I’m just saying that relative to what I think the prevailing reaction would be I don’t think it’s that much of a slam dunk. The biggest benefits might come a couple years from now when (hopefully) Melo is more content to be a role player and Love could be the main piece of a rebuilt Knicks team.

    38. Not only do they do a lot of the same stuff, but both have made it very clear at points in their career that they do not enjoy being made to take a backseat on offense.

      I’m not totally sure that’s true, at least of Kevin Love. There are plenty of shots to go around for 2 high usage players — it’s just on Cleveland he’s probably the 3rd (after Lebron and Kyrie) or even 4th option (since Mozgov gets all the PNR dive plays). He may not have a 29 usage like he did in Minnesota but 25-26 is doable even with Melo on the court.

      And re: Melo – he’s never been upset about losing shots when he has respect for the other players taking the shots. Landry Fields? No thank you, I’ll shoot that. Chauncey Billups? Here you go sir!

    39. I’m sorry. I don’t get the no love for Love.
      Is there ANY attainable free agent you guys are willing to pair with Melo?
      Remember, we’re not drafting a lot of players in the next 5 years.

    40. I still hope the Clips flame out early, CP3 and Blake get into a brawl, and LA dumps Blake on us for Carmelo. Just leave me to my dreams.

    41. And re: Melo – he’s never been upset about losing shots when he has respect for the other players taking the shots. Landry Fields? No thank you, I’ll shoot that. Chauncey Billups? Here you go sir!

      “You take the last shot, Jarred. It’s only the first round, and I’ve shot it enough today. I respect you and your ability to put the ball through the basket when I’m double teamed. So I’ll draw the defense and look for you under the basket.(Just whatever you do, don’t let Landry get the ball. That dude is weird).”

    42. It all depends on the contract. Love on a long-term deal (no NTC) will likely be a tradeable asset come 2016. If we can’t land anyone better (and I don’t see Green, Matthews, Leonard, or other guys of their caliber being possible), better to spend the money to stash Love for a year and have something to dish out when the feeding frenzy begins in 2016, rather than gambling it all on journeymen/role players hoping that they’ll outplay their contracts. We don’t have our pick next year so no point tanking – I’d sign up for 45 win Melo/Love team next year.

    43. Like I said before that 2016 UFA list looks like a lot of 30+ yr olds looking for one last money grab. The RFA list looks pretty good but why would any team give away RFAs when they will have the cap space to match any offer sheet?

    44. I kinda get the feeling there will be more than a few Lebron-like 1 year + player option for year 2 contracts given out this offseason so players can cash in again in 2016.

      Actually this would give incumbent teams even more of an advantage in keeping their players, since after a 1+1 contract a team wouldn’t even have full bird rights. For example, what if GS decided to offer Draymond a 1+1 max contract at the very beginning of FA (ie. to prevent him from signing an offer sheet with different terms)? It’s short, so overall in the team’s best interest, and in 2 years they can still go above the cap to re-sign him using Bird rights if they want. Draymond gets 2 years guaranteed $ at the mini-max level, then gets to re-cash in with a mini-max long term deal in 2016 (if he opts out of his 2016-17 player option), or pick up his 2016-17 option and then re-sign for the full max in 2017.

    45. Those two are not the only options, though.There is a better third one: wait until the right deal comes along, probably in 2016. or even 2017. It’s not like we are going to be competing for anything before then (most likely it will take much longer to field a true contender in NY).

      But given that Kevin Love would be an asset, and we can’t tank in 2016, why not? Signing a bunch of journeyman in hopes they outperform their contract is much riskier. Kevin Love might be worth some picks (while eating a bad contract).

      You just keep saying to wait for the opportunity. But you do not mention what opportunity is that one, and neither we do have assets in order to jump at that opportunity (a-la-Houston with Harden) .

      I can get behind eating some bad contracts if we get picks in return. But with the projected cap increase, many team just can justify one year of luxury tax, let their bad contracts expire and get under the tax next year (and that’s why i think that GSW wont hesitate matching Draymond Green, while keeping David Lee).

      PS: I dont think Love+Melo is a good idea, basketball wise. But business wise, signing Love is good.

    46. Love is a great player, but I am done with no-defense-playing MFs.

      If we have four plus defenders alongside Melo, and we have a system that those players can use to get quality shots, we will win games without adding big contracts, making it more likely we can add one key piece in 2016 because we’ll have a foundation to build on. If we can’t add two-way players, I’d prefer to add one-way players on defense, because they are cheaper, and because you end up with more of a team that you can then slot a great player into.

    47. I like Kevin Love a ton, but hate the fit with him and Melo.

      Agreed, a terrible fit. But there’s a simple solution which would be in the interest of all the parties – a Melo/Love swap.
      – Cavs are over the cap even if Love leaves so a trade is only way his departure nets them anything. And Love apparently has only 3 teams in which he is interested. If Melo guards the 4 position and shoots about 40% 3FG%, he’d be fine there.
      – Knicks receive a younger star who fits their timetable.
      – Melo has greater chance for chip which would only enhance his brand. He’s got his money and, like Woj tweet implied, now time to hook up on a winner. Maybe his knee and age will push him to set aside his ego and accept a different role.
      – Love fits the Triangle well.

    48. Agreed, a terrible fit. But there’s a simple solution which would be in the interest of all the parties – a Melo/Love swap.

      LaLa says it’s a no-go.

    49. That’s why CP3 needs to try to stab Blake in the locker room after a round 1 flameout. LaLa would like LA, it stands to reason

    50. @57 – it seems like a good idea but we basically gave away stein’s clone this offseason… and centers who are bad with the ball in their hands are iffy fits in the triangle….

      the #4 spot would be so bad it is depressing to think about.. there aren’t many great options…

    51. I like Love but Melo and Love is a match made in hell.

      I think a patient build is the right approach, pretty much as I have since 2006. Which is very unlikely to happen.

    52. Love INSTEAD of Melo? Sure. Love IN ADDITION to Melo? Do you guys just hate to watch competent defensive basketball or something?

    53. It’s impossible to determine what will happen and what the conditions will be when/if something happens. Getting Kevin Love (most likely a terrible fit with Melo) because we must do something is not a good idea, in my opinion.

      Not because we must do something, but because it is good. And good is better than nothing. Not sure why 60 million in cap space is good when good teams will have 30M in cap space. We should try to do something with our cap space now that other teams cannot. If we are going to get assets with it, Love is an asset that is young and should keep its value for a couple of seasons, at least. And you get to experiment Melo+Love for free! Even if it is most likely not going to work.

      So perhaps your point is that Love sucks. If you think that Love sucks, then fair enough.

    54. And re: Melo – he’s never been upset about losing shots when he has respect for the other players taking the shots. Landry Fields? No thank you, I’ll shoot that. Chauncey Billups? Here you go sir!

      I agree with you that Melo will defer to very certain players (basically in his career he’s been willing to defer to Andre Miller, who was already a star veteran when Melo was just a rookie in Denver, Chauncey Billups, who was an NBA Finals MVP when he joined Melo in Denver and Tyson Chandler, who was clearly very awesome – and there have been two notable stars that Melo did not defer to over his career, an aging Allen Iverson in Denver and STAT here) but I don’t know that Kevin Love would fit into that very select group. It certainly hasn’t happened in Cleveland, ya know?

    55. Love does not suck. He is a very good player, but a terrible fit for our current roster.

      I thought you were the guy thinking long term. What does our current roster have to do with our long term plans? You get the best assets no matter what. And summer 2015, the competition for assets is low. Summer 2016, the competitions for assets is gonna be very high. So it is better to use our cap space this summer

      Kevin Love is a good asset. And if it happens that you “win-now” in a season you cant tank (because the Knicks dont have their pick), then great!

    56. How much is Love’s max?

      re: Melo deferring
      He may not have defered to Iverson but he let Iverson do his thing and contributed to one of his better seasons. I think Melo would have let Amar’e do his thing if he felt he could count on Amar’e.

      I kind of think Love and Melo laid back personalities might work

    57. “Right now they’re on pace to hit 63”

      College ball is in trouble.

      Also, after watching 13 minutes of Frank Kaminsky I think I’ll pass

    58. Melo did defer to Amare before Amare’s body started falling apart. Their first half season together Amare averaged over 24 ppg. People ignore that because it doesn’t fit the narrative that they couldn’t play together. But their defense before Chandler came was brutal.

    59. So there is virtually no chance we will finish lower than #2 in lottery order and it is pretty likely we would do no worse than tie with Minny for #1, in which case we split the combinations. The only frightening thing about tying is that if neither us nor Minny got a top 3 pick, #4 and 5 would come down to a coin flip, although again, that’s pretty unlikely.

      So I’m guesstimating that at this point the odds are about 62% of getting a top-3 pick. If we are last (most likely scenario) it’s 64.3%, if we tie, its about 60%, and if we’re 2nd, it’s around 56%. The only comforting thing about finishing last is not having to worry about the #5 pick, but beyond that, it’s not a big shift in probability. Which kinda sucks.

    60. Jerian Grant reminds me of D. Wade. It’s to bad he doesn’t rebound like him. He kind of operates like D. Russell does at OSU.

      If the Knicks do get stuck at #4 trading back and ending up with Grant and another pick wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen

    61. I actually don’t mind Melo + Love on offense. Love would take over the corner 3 role, forcing Melo to drive and/or post up more (stuff he’s better at than launching 3s.)

      Defensively, that’s another story altogether, but hey, we’ve got three other guys out there too!

      If we get the 4 pick and don’t trade it, I assume we’ll take one of the pgs. Although Thr China dude seems like a terrible fit for the triangle/Jax. Maybe they trade down for Wright and Kaminsky?

    62. Any know anything about Aleksandar-Vezenkov and the comp he faces. I was just looking at draftexpress and came across his profile. He seems like a good shooter and rebounder. He might be a nice player to try to get by buying into the second.

    63. Full throttle for Love. He’s almost a Superstar! . . . This is New York and this is the NBA. We need big names.
      Most important – when the knicks suck for the next five years, we really can’t get excited about the playoff race. Wouldn’t you rather be arguing over the stupidity of signing Kevin Love to a max contract, than whether we should hold onto Lou Amundson and Galoway,. Plus, the drama! Love’s had teammate problems on a losing team, and now on a winning team. I can’t wait for him and Melo to go at it.

    64. What if I told you one of the best college basketball teams in America would have 8 points after 10 minutes of gameplay?

    65. You sign Love to a 4 year max if he wants it because he becomes an awesome trade asset immediately. That simple. Why is that hard to understand? Love at the 2015 max in 2016 will get you multiple 1st round picks and players on the trade block.

    66. Minnesota wanted to trade Love because he told them he would walk in free agency. Cleveland isn’t trading Love, he would be coming to the Knicks as FA. So, in this fantasy hypothetical, we’d be the first team that wanted to trade him.

    67. Love is worth today’s max. Is he worth a max in 2016? I don’t know. He was once an offensive superstar, but he certainly hasn’t played like one this year. (He is a good player, still.)

      The more pressing issue is that Towns is 0-2 in the Sweet Sixteen game. Is he not for real? Aaron Harrison is 4-4. Maybe we should take him #1.

    68. The more pressing issue is that Towns is 0-2 in the Sweet Sixteen game. Is he not for real?

      He was made to look soft by that junkyard dog looking dude #5 on wva.

      Not good

    69. I like how he wears his jersey backwards, so that his name is visible without any cutaways. The artistic director is a genius!

    70. Yeah, that part is awesome. You gotta love a celebrity who you have to force to wear his jersey backwards to have his name showing so people know who the celebrity is!

    71. Love is worth today’s max. Is he worth a max in 2016? I don’t know. He was once an offensive superstar, but he certainly hasn’t played like one this year. (He is a good player, still.)

      If we sign him to today’s max for multiple years, his contract is going to look really good when the cap rises.

      He might want to sign only 1+1 contract, though. We could play hardball and not offer it to him, his destination list is narrow.

    72. Think Melo, Love and Bargnani playing together. Can you imagine the space we would create…. defensively??

    73. It is funny how Love and Melo have similarly narrow range of places where they want to play.

    74. It’s very interesting / worrisome how Marc Berman has turned so aggressively against Phil and this whole process. Clearly someone high up at MSG (Dolan?) has declared open season on criticizing this regime (not that it doesn’t deserve criticism, just that Berman is usually not the one doing it).

      http://nypost.com/2015/03/26/phil-jacksons-d-league-team-just-as-dysfunctional-as-knicks/

      I mean seriously, who cares about dysfunction at the D-league level? And of course this team is a bad D-league team – they’re an expansion team that only got to pick out of a pool of unprotected players to start the roster. (although what is weird is that only a couple of the 16 players they drafted are actually still on the team – almost everyone left to play overseas, which probably says more about how little the D-league pays players than anything).

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