Knicks Morning News (2015.02.17)

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e Stoudemire expected to join Mavericks (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:10:59 GMT)

    The Knicks have made it official, announcing Monday afternoon that they have waived Amar’e Stoudemire.

  • [New York Daily News] Adie’u to Amar’e: A look back at Stoudemire’s Knicks’ career (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:57:40 GMT)

    A look back of Amar’e Stoudemire’s time with the Knicks.

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Selling future only Zen-sible game plan for Knicks (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:47:24 GMT)

    Too bad all those championship rings can’t be turned into life preservers. That’s what Phil Jackson needs, in a basketball sense, of course.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Liberty and Sky Trade Top Guards (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:28:52 GMT)

    The Liberty acquired Epiphanny Prince from the Chicago Sky in exchange for Cappie Pondexter, who averaged a career-low 13 points last season.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Stoudemire Commits to Mavs After Leaving Knicks (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:00:52 GMT)

    Amare Stoudemire asked out of his contract with the New York Knicks because he wants to make a run at a championship.

  • [New York Times] Sports of The Times: As One Knicks Experiment Ends, Trying to Guess What the Next Will Be (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:01:58 GMT)

    As the Knicks part ways with Amar’e Stoudemire and prepare for the likelihood of losing Carmelo Anthony for the season, the shape of things to come is increasingly unclear.

  • [New York Times] Leaving New York ‘With a Heavy Heart,’ Amar’e Stoudemire Ponders the Possibilities (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 01:01:57 GMT)

    The veteran forward was waived after requesting that the Knicks buy out the remainder of his contract, which was set to expire after this season.

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    106 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.02.17)”

    1. DX now has D’Angelo Russell at #2 on its draft board with Mudiay and Towns dropping to #3 and #4 respectively. We really need the #2 pick at minimum to ensure that we get our pick of the litter to be honest.

    2. With all the stories about Amare being waived, very little was said about his or the Knicks motivation. The stories just said it was at his request because he wants to play for a contender. I believe that, but still have questions. Do the Knicks save any money by doing this? Was it really completely his request? Do the knicks gain anything else besides an PPR roster spot?? Can anyone comment?

    3. Not sure, but I think the knicks saved the difference of what remained owed to him this season minus the amount they settled to pay him. So, they got to put a few million back in MSG’s coffers.

      For Amare, it was worth getting out of Dodge. Great city. Horrible organization.

    4. Wow looks like there will be no smoothing of the cap……….. Who are the 2016 free agents besides Durant?

    5. So basically this move helps us tank a bit more, but really means zero financially for the team make-up.

    6. “Not sure, but I think the knicks saved the difference of what remained owed to him this season minus the amount they settled to pay him. So, they got to put a few million back in MSG’s coffers.”
      I read somewhere that Amare gave up something like $2 million and that the Knicks would save $3 million in luxury tax, which would result in a total of $5 million in savings.

    7. But those savings only apply to this season, which means that it is meaningless in terms of financial flexibility going forward. Right?

    8. Pro’s to STAT: able to show that he can contribute something so he can get some kind of contract next year; contributing for a contender, possibly winning something.
      Pro’s to the Knicks: a few bucks, able to use roster spot for someone interesting (who?? khem or sanders would be nice)

      A free roster spot on a lost year is great. You can try out literally anyone and not care about results. I’m not high on Seth Curry, though, looks like another offense-only-guard, and lord knows we’ve reached that quota.

    9. Without smoothing, there is going to be a GIANT discontinuity between the 2015 off-season and the 2016 off-season. Basically, at least 20 teams will have space for a Max offer to Kevin Durant.

    10. So without smoothing, the Knicks are screwed because they lose one of their few competitive advantages during the 2015 offseason which is more cap space than the average team. If FAs know that 2016 will have a huge bump, they will be more likely to take 1 year deals and wait for 2016, where the Knicks will have much less competitive advantage.

      Is this an accurate view of the situation and its pertinence to the Knickerbockers?

    11. Basically, at least 20 teams will have space for a Max offer to Kevin Durant.

      That should make 19 comparatively shitty players pretty happy.

    12. So without smoothing, the Knicks are screwed because they lose one of their few competitive advantages during the 2015 offseason which is more cap space than the average team.

      With the triangle and Zen Master’s cache, who wouldn’t want to come here?

    13. Sounds like a win-win for Stat and the Knicks. He’ll make the $2M back or something like it in salary from Dallas and the Knicks get to try someone else out at the pro level and save $5M. PJ paid for his year’s salary without hurting the team. I’m ok with that.

      On the cap front, I think there are deals out there that the union might accept to spread out the cap hit, but they have to get something back; and I don’t think the league has offered much so far. I think the league should offer to increase the rookie salary scale and potential raises starting next season in return for less aggressive raises for max players. This would restore some balance in the salary range and benefit a lot of union members, most of whom will not be max players. The league could then spend the same percentage of money on salaries that they committed in the CBA but not create an absurd free agent market where many players inevitably get overpaid just because their free agency happened to come in a good year.

    14. So without smoothing, the Knicks are screwed because they lose one of their few competitive advantages during the 2015 offseason which is more cap space than the average team. If FAs know that 2016 will have a huge bump, they will be more likely to take 1 year deals and wait for 2016, where the Knicks will have much less competitive advantage.

      Is this an accurate view of the situation and its pertinence to the Knickerbockers?

      Basically, yes.

      There certainly will be a lot of FAs (Gasol, Love, Aldridge) who will try to emulate Lebron’s deal this offseason. A two year Max deal with a player option on the second year.

      Lebron will opt out this summer, so that Cleveland can give him a 20% raise using its Non-Bird Rights. He will get another two-year deal with a player option on the 2016-17 season. When the salary cap balloons to $90 million in 2016, he will sign a Max four year deal using his Early Bird Rights.

    15. “Lebron will opt out this summer, so that Cleveland can give him a 20% raise using its Non-Bird Rights. He will get another two-year deal with a player option on the 2016-17 season. When the salary cap balloons to $90 million in 2016, he will sign a Max four year deal using his Early Bird Rights.”
      So much for LeBron being willing to sacrifice so much financially to help the team. I’m not criticizing him at all for this but I do think that it’s pretty funny how the press and fans fawned all over him for taking like a million less a year with the Heat four years ago and killed Melo for taking like a little less than a million less a year from the Knicks this year.

    16. If cutting STAT saved $5M then that’s $5M. I would take it. How about you?

      I want to wish Stoudemire good luck and great fortune. He was a warrior and I admired his gritty determination. I wish he was a better defender and I wish that he hadn’t punched the wall (fire thingy or whatever it was). Things might have been different. We had lots of bad luck during his tenure and feel like he took a lot of the blame unfairly. Deep down I hope that he’s one of the vets we sign cheap in the off-season. I would love to get him back to finish what he started – without the burden of a max-salary anchor tied to him.

    17. With the cap jump, I think any FA’s this summer that we want to sign we would have to be willing to go over the cap to sign them, eat the luxury tax bill for the 2015-2016 season as the cost of locking them up a year early, and then be under the cap once it jumps up in 2016. I would be willing to go over the cap and pay the tax for one year if it nets us Draymond on max offer (that GS probably won’t match unless they can trade DLee), Wes Matthews, Tobias Harris, etc. Our flexibility for summer 2016 will be constrained, but if we get our targets this summer, then we won’t be pressured to land a home-run FA in 2016.

    18. BklnBoy
      February 17, 2015 at 12:21 pm
      With the cap jump, I think any FA’s this summer that we want to sign we would have to be willing to go over the cap to sign them, eat the luxury tax bill for the 2015-2016 season as the cost of locking them up a year early, and then be under the cap once it jumps up in 2016. I would be willing to go over the cap and pay the tax for one year if it nets us Draymond on max offer (that GS probably won’t match unless they can trade DLee), Wes Matthews, Tobias Harris, etc. Our flexibility for summer 2016 will be constrained, but if we get our targets this summer, then we won’t be pressured to land a home-run FA in 2016.

      The cap doesn’t work like that. We’ll be approx. $27M under the cap this Summer, assuming nothing crazy happens before Thursday. Once we’re under the cap that’s how much money we’ll have to spend in free agency; we’re not allowed to go over the cap to sign over teams’ free agents.

    19. LeBron did that to build a superteam that won 2 titles and reached 4 consecutive finals.

      He’s on “fuck it and gimme the money mode” right now.

      Too bad that he still is the best player in the world.

      Melo did that with an awful team on verge of rebuilding.

      So, It’s two different cases.

    20. I hate this mentality. We have to STOP waiting for the next big FA to come to us. HE WON’T! What this organization needs to do is something it has never done. Bring in the best players as they come up, each with a clear role in a cohesive team unit, and then coach them until they play well as a team. Yes, that means bring in the Draymond, Wes Matthews, etc., as soon as you can when they are available. Stop passing on them because Durant is a FA next year.

      The best news for me is the above poster saying everyone has a shot at Durant making us less likely candidates. YES. GOOD. Don’t go for him, just focus on building a team of solid 2-way players that bring it every night.

      Do it the way the Spurs, Hawks, and Raptors have. Small, smart, cohesive steps. (Just look at the Knicks, Miami, Rockets, and OKC – not as good despite the “star power”)

    21. Also, LeBron is clearly “worth” way way more than the max (both in on-court terms and in marketing terms), so him taking a pay cut is a true sacrifice. Melo is worth less than the max or maybe the max (definitely in terms of on-court production) so him taking a pay cut isn’t as crazy as LeBron doing so.

    22. “Also, LeBron is clearly “worth” way way more than the max (both in on-court terms and in marketing terms), so him taking a pay cut is a true sacrifice.”
      That’s one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that he makes tens of millions of dollars more off the court each year than any other player in the NBA. For him to give up one million dollars a year (especially in a tax-free state) is hardly a “sacrifice” at all. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but doesn’t he make something like $100 million/year off the court due to his basketball exploits? An argument can be made that his squeezing the Cavs for every penny he can possibly make under the CBA makes him the ultimate money grubbing pro athlete.

    23. “Suns Seek Player With All-Star Potential, 1st Rounder For Goran Dragic”

      Would Andrea Bargnani and TH Jr. get it done? (-:

    24. suns are crazy…. dragic is a rental unless there is an agreement in place for the deal to occur…

    25. Captain Luke:
      A player taking all the money he can get is his prerogative. Why should a player take less money than a team believes he is worth? Almost all of us wouldn’t turn down a max deal.

      If you believe that is why Melo and LeBron are selfish, fine, but I don’t buy it. I see Melo as a guy who does not pass the ball willingly, but not because he wants the pointz, but because he trusts himself to hit the shot, not the other guy. What he needs is a better player on his team. Melo is no leader, no floor general, but he’s a damn good scorer. He needs someone who uses him well. (You doubt that if you plugged in Melo to a team with Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Mike Miller, and Haslem, that team wouldn’t do really well? What if you subbed Chris Paul for Wade/Bosh? You doubt that with an actual distributor Melo would be much, much better?)

    26. I think no smoothing is ultimately a good thing for the Knicks. Yes, there is a decent chance that, say, Marc Gasol will now take a two-year deal with the second year being a player option and then re-sign for more money. However, based on the cap rules, Gasol’s cap hold would pretty much just be his current salary. Therefore, the Knicks would get all of that extra cap room to spend and then they’d be able to re-sign Gasol to his increased salary and go over the cap.

      And now their pitch to Gasol is “We can afford to bring you and a second decent player on to the team this year plus a top three pick in the draft, and then we can get another max player the next season plus possibly another decent free agent and then we can re-sign you to an even bigger salary.”

      That’s not a terrible pitch at all. The Knicks having a lot of cap room this season is still valuable for that reason.

    27. Sub Melo in for Blake Griffin, and you’d get a lineup like CP3/Jamal Crawford/ Reddick/ Melo/ DeAndre Jordan. OK, you tell me how well you’d expect that team to do. Don’t blame Melo for where we are, it’s not just him. Our team was put together like legos in a preschool sandbox.
      He is not supposed to distribute, that’s not why he is here. When a player is great at A and not great at B, you get someone else to do B very well. That’s on management. (Big 3 of Melo/Amare/Tyson?? Wow, that idea sucked!)

    28. Sub Melo in for Blake Griffin, and you’d get a lineup like CP3/Jamal Crawford/ Reddick/ Melo/ DeAndre Jordan. OK, you tell me how well you’d expect that team to do.

      Griffin > Melo, so I guess a little bit worse than whatever the Clippers currently are?

    29. i think the promise of recruiting players with the cap room is a very hard sell…. if you look at comments made by some of the players over the ASB there is a general aversion to being part of a rebuild and hoping certain players come into the fold…

      i’m more inclined to draft a really good player and a couple of ‘bargains’ and hopefully we’d get to around .500 with that team and hit the 2016 market hard with whatever room we have… the promise of winning is a much better sell then…

      of course… that first part is not so easy given we have nothing but an ailing melo at the moment…

    30. But part of the appeal to Gasol is that since he’ll really be signing just a one-year deal, if he thinks things have not improved enough, he can just leave and leave knowing that every team out there will have room to sign him.

      Calderon
      Possible 2 guard free agent
      Melo
      Okafor
      Gasol

      Should be good enough to possibly get to the playoffs just as is, and then able to sign a Max point or a Max 2-guard in 2016.

    31. Griffin > Melo, so I guess a little bit worse than whatever the Clippers currently are?

      Agreed, 150%.

      I was making a comment on judging Melo’s play, especially his “selfish play,” with his most frequent lineups of Calderon/Galloway/Carmelo/JahSmith/Amundson this year, and Felton/JR/Melo/STAT/Tyson last year. No distributor. My point was that our lineups have always been uncohesive amalgams of randomness.

    32. @30

      wouldn’t gasol’s cap hold in your scenario be 120% of his 15/16 salary (assuming he’d sign a max deal that’s close to 23 mil?
      In that case you only have 7mil more to spend this year, which shouldn’t get you a big time player and with melo, gasol’s cap-hold, 2nd (7/y) FA agent this offseason,your high draft pick you start getting dangerously close to NOT having max room in 2016 (if you assume a cap of 90 million a team has to be at ~65mil to have max-cap room next summer (7-9y vets) and ~68 for the restricted-FA max).

      Plus, Memphis could just offer him the same deal, while keeping his bird rights. The knicks would only get non-bird rights after the 1 year as a knicks, thus could only give him the 4y/4,5% raise-max

    33. i can see that.. but it certainly wouldn’t be standard… i think something like a max deal with a 1year player option is how you would have to sell it…

    34. Oh, sure, I don’t blame Melo for any of this. Even for the trade. Yeah, Melo screwed the Knicks’ leverage over, but you know what you do when your leverage gets screwed over? You don’t make the deal!!! The Knicks are fully at fault for their bad deal, not Melo.

      Now, while I don’t blame Melo, I do wonder if he will look back on his career and blame himself a bit, in the sense that him choosing the guaranteed highest payday every single time has repeatedly negatively affected his chances of winning a championship.

      1. Takes the full extension from Denver instead of the shorter extensions Bosh, Lebron and Wade all signed. Can you imagine Melo’s career if he had been a free agent in 2010? The Knicks could have signed him and STAT and had plenty of assets to trade for Paul. Or he could have gone to Chicago without them losing assets. Or he could have taken Bosh’s place in Miami. Or he could have gone any number of other places.

      2. Makes the Knicks trade the moon for him to make sure he signs his deal before the CBA expires, to make sure he doesn’t lose any possible money. Obviously, we’ve gone over this one numerous times.

      3. Signs with a shitty team because they’re offering him the most money. Obviously, we’ve gone over this one numerous times.

    35. Also I don’t think a lot of players have and should have the same confidence as lebron in their future value, if I’m gasol and I am 30 years old and 7 foot tall I’m very cautios of signing 1 year deals for the fear of getting injured

    36. It’d be a two-year deal with a player option, so if he’s hurt, he opts in and even if it is a relatively serious injury, he will have a whole other season to recuperate before becoming a free agent again. If it is a serious injury, then sure, he’d be in trouble, but I think that’s a fair enough risk to take.

    37. wouldn’t gasol’s cap hold in your scenario be 120% of his 15/16 salary (assuming he’d sign a max deal that’s close to 23 mil?
      In that case you only have 7mil more to spend this year, which shouldn’t get you a big time player and with melo, gasol’s cap-hold, 2nd (7/y) FA agent this offseason,your high draft pick you start getting dangerously close to NOT having max room in 2016 (if you assume a cap of 90 million a team has to be at ~65mil to have max-cap room next summer (7-9y vets) and ~68 for the restricted-FA max).

      Plus, Memphis could just offer him the same deal, while keeping his bird rights. The knicks would only get non-bird rights after the 1 year as a knicks, thus could only give him the 4y/4,5% raise-max

      Oh sure, if Gasol wants to stay in Memphis, then obviously they’re always going to have a better offer out to him. I’m only going under the theory that he wants to go somewhere else. If he wants to stay, then obviously he stays.

    38. You’re quite right that Melo has picked the $ over the ringz every time. I’m just saying that that’s his choice, and I blame management more than him. I am not defending him, hell, if I was a FO guy, I would actually have said no to all of:

      1. Takes the full extension from Denver instead of the shorter extensions Bosh, Lebron and Wade all signed. Can you imagine Melo’s career if he had been a free agent in 2010? The Knicks could have signed him and STAT and had plenty of assets to trade for Paul. Or he could have gone to Chicago without them losing assets. Or he could have taken Bosh’s place in Miami. Or he could have gone any number of other places.

      2. Makes the Knicks trade the moon for him to make sure he signs his deal before the CBA expires, to make sure he doesn’t lose any possible money. Obviously, we’ve gone over this one numerous times.

      3. Signs with a shitty team because they’re offering him the most money. Obviously, we’ve gone over this one numerous times.

      I also would have given him a top-ten point guard and a defense-first team RIGHT AWAY.

    39. of course there could be the possibility that Memphis doesn’t wanna grant one player that much power, so theoretically this approach could even out the money gap between switching to the knicks and signing a 5-year-max-dreal based on this years max

    40. Gasol’s not coming here for same/less money and less of a chance at winning games.

      We need to talk Wes Matthews and other sub-star solid players that fit well.

    41. 1. Takes the full extension from Denver instead of the shorter extensions Bosh, Lebron and Wade all signed. Can you imagine Melo’s career if he had been a free agent in 2010? The Knicks could have signed him and STAT and had plenty of assets to trade for Paul. Or he could have gone to Chicago without them losing assets. Or he could have taken Bosh’s place in Miami. Or he could have gone any number of other places.

      I’m not a Melo defender but is that really on him? Everything I’ve read says that Melo’s agent advised him that he didn’t need an opt-out and Melo fired his agent after Lebron, Wade, and Bosh all opted out of their contracts. This agent screwed Melo and, by extension, us.

    42. Just like the decision to give everything up for Melo is on the Knicks, because it was ultimately their call, then the decision to agree with his agent at the time is on Melo, as it was ultimately his call.

    43. Brian Cronin
      February 17, 2015 at 3:11 pm
      Just like the decision to give everything up for Melo is on the Knicks, because it was ultimately their call, then the decision to agree with his agent at the time is on Melo, as it was ultimately his call.

      But at that point he’s relying on the expert opinion of his agent. If a person goes to a lawyer and gets bad advice you blame the lawyer not their client.

    44. He didn’t give him bad advice if the goal was to make as much money as possible. Melo has made more money during his career than Lebron, Bosh and Wade. The advice was only bad in terms of freedom to choose where he played. And as we’ve seen from Melo again and again, he’s taking money over freedom every time. So I disagree with the notion that Melo was snookered. It’s not like he had just one guy giving him advice. He knew he was turning down freedom for more money. He just later regretted that decision.

    45. [Edit: I did not see Brian Cronin’s comments at #38 before I posted this. I have a slightly different take, but it is the same idea.}

      The big difference between Carmelo Anthony & Lebron James in terms of free agency is the risk tolerance. Carmelo has always opted for security.

      1. When his rookie deal came to an end, Carmelo insisted on a four year deal (plus option) while Lebron took a three year deal (plus option), which is why Lebron became a free agent one year before Carmelo would have.

      2. When Carmelo was coming to the time to opt out, he forced the trade to the Knicks before the off-season, because he was not willing to take the risk that the new CBA would limit him far below the 3 year – $65 million extension he could get under the old CBA.

      3. This past offseason, Lebron (seeing the potential explosion of the salary cap) took a two year deal (with the second year being a player option) so that he could cash in on the increased salary cap (at the risk of a career-ending injury). Carmelo insisted on a five year deal.

      I will not say that one was right and one was wrong. I will say that Carmelo’s risk-adverse decisions have decreased the flexibility of his situations.

    46. Any chance that Lebron structured his deal so that he might take LESS money next year? Is it possible that he knew the situation in CLE was fluid and that they might lose Love? And if so, they might need some cap relief for one year to sign a FA to a long term deal, before giving Lebron a monster deal in 2016?

      Everything about Lebron thus far says he values the team as much as he values his own interests. It’s hard for me to imagine him going full-on Kobe regarding his contract all of a sudden.

    47. The thing about LeBron that people always seem to forget when discussing his contracts is that this is the guy who came into the league with a 100 million dollar Nike deal. So as Ephus said above he could have a far higher risk level. He was dwarving other players in off court money from the jump

    48. Any chance that Lebron structured his deal so that he might take LESS money next year?

      Lebron structured his deal to have maximum flexibility. I doubt that he anticipated that Kevin Love would not fit in (and it is premature to reach a conclusion on whether he will). I do not doubt that he said, “Even if I suffer a major injury, I am still going to be able to get paid – unless it is a career ender.”

    49. if calderon gets moved that would be a major coup.. but would also mean we are throwing out max money to everyone this year… which probably will be bad…

    50. We are apparently interested in acquiring Miles Plumlee from Phoenix. Outside our 1stround pick, I don’t think we really have anything Phoenix want/need (we are shopping to PG’s and they are already pretty stacked at that position). Would be an interesting prospect to get though, and I think he is only locked in for about $2m next year.

    51. @Luke
      Agreed.
      I don’t think we should give him the max, but even so, we’re not using him to his max.

    52. I think no smoothing is ultimately a good thing for the Knicks. Yes, there is a decent chance that, say, Marc Gasol will now take a two-year deal with the second year being a player option and then re-sign for more money.

      I don’t understand this. The higher revenue kicking in in 2016 doesn’t effect individual max salaries, does it? It just puts more money into the spending pool, creating more teams able to offer max contracts to players. So what does a player, like Gasol, have to gain from not locking in the max years if he can get it this summer rather than next?

    53. I don’t understand this. The higher revenue kicking in in 2016 doesn’t effect individual max salaries, does it?

      Maxes are based on percentage of the cap. Higher cap means higher max salaries.

    54. Thanasis got 32 through 3quarters for the westies

      If he turns out to be good, that’d be really swell!

    55. @63

      It would be really swell for whatever team we trade him to for a pair of 2nd rounders!

    56. Reality check. At the end of the day, this team is built around Carmelo Anthony. He’s going to continue to dominate the ball and shoot a high volume of shots at a low percentage – no matter who else is on the team. In fact, I believe if the knicks get someone really good, Melo’s going to show who’s alpha and shoot even more. That’s the way it’s been since he laced up his sneakers.

      Dream all you want about who the knicks can sign. It won’t do any good. They need to trade Melo and rebuild this mess from ground zero. It’s a long tough road, but better than building on a weak foundation.
      Otherwise, Melo’s contract is going to get heavier and heavier.

    57. I dislike the way Melo plays just as much as the next guy, but are we not allowed to talk about anything else? We know how he plays. We’ve watched him for years and read countless posts (mine included) of the things he doesn’t do well. We were a good team with Melo not long ago, and a team of Galloway, Butler, Melo, Green, Towns would be a solid team in the East with room for improvement. If we can’t talk about anything exciting on this site (because Melo ruins all good things), this blog is going to turn dull very fast.
      I am not a Melo fan and probably never will be, but he has a no trade clause! People realized that the Amar’e signing was terrible after about 2 years, but it wasn’t brought up every day because people learned to accept it. I could’ve posted at the end of every thread: it doesn’t matter what we do because we have Amar’e making max money on our team and he isn’t playing (or playing badly) so we will never be a contender, but it wouldn’t have helped anything.

    58. If the Knicks bring Thanasis up now don’t they lose a year of control over him? There’s still 29 games left- maybe it’s worth it. If he falls flat on his face then losing the control doesn’t really matter. And if he looks like a genuine rotation piece then it’d be nice to know that going into a summer where you’re going to be aggressively going after free agents. I doubt the Knicks are targeting any threes either in the draft or free agency but you never know. Of course, it’s probable that this hot streak is just that and he’ll come crashing back down to earth.

    59. this season has gotten about as well as any fan could hope… if we land the right big in the draft… the one that plays defense… or even russell… we’re not going to be too bad…

      or … we could go on about melo… the vitriol against him has gotten so bad he’s probably underrated right now… and i thought that would be impossible….

    60. If the Knicks bring Thanasis up now don’t they lose a year of control over him? There’s still 29 games left- maybe it’s worth it. If he falls flat on his face then losing the control doesn’t really matter. And if he looks like a genuine rotation piece then it’d be nice to know that going into a summer where you’re going to be aggressively going after free agents. I doubt the Knicks are targeting any threes either in the draft or free agency but you never know. Of course, it’s probable that this hot streak is just that and he’ll come crashing back down to earth.

      Hot streaks in the D-League typically don’t mean anything, but I’m beginning to come around to wanting to have him play for them this season, as well. I’m not too worried about the team control issue, especially since if he plays for them this year and next then they’d have Early Bird rights plus the Gilbert Arenas provision to keep him.

    61. By the way, Jimmy Butler is a restricted free agent. The Bulls are not letting him go. So don’t factor Butler into anything. The Warriors will also likely match any offer on Draymond Green, but that is less of a certainty than Butler sticking with Chicago. The current talk is that not only will Chicago be bringing him back, but that they’ll just sign him themselves as soon as free agency begins (they can offer him a larger salary than he would get if he signed an offer from another team).

    62. Apparently the Knicks and Thanasis’ agent are in agreement that he will play the entire season in the D-league so in the off-season he can get a 3 or 4 yr deal from the Knicks where as if he gets called up now he can only sign a 2 yr deal with this season being the 1st year. At least I believe thats what I read somewhere.

      But I do believe it is in the Knicks best interests to NOT call him up this season is what Im getting at from what Ive read.

    63. Dragic is a nice player and all, but giving 20 million a year to, I dunno, the 8th best player at his position in the league would be super fucking Knicksy.

    64. I am so happy the NBA made a rule preventing us from doing something hilariously dumb here.

    65. Maxes are based on percentage of the cap. Higher cap means higher max salaries.

      Aha. Okay, got it. (I thought they were based on % of previous salary and years of service)

    66. Aha. Okay, got it. (I thought they were based on % of previous salary and years of service)

      Cap holds are based on previous salary and years of service determine what percentage you use for the calculation of the max salary (for players with 0-6 years of service, it’s roughly 25%, 7-9 it’s roughly 30% and 10+ it is roughly 35%). So a significant increase in the cap would make for a significant increase in what a guy like Gasol could make over a long-term deal (roughly $27 million starting salary versus a $20.4 million salary based on a $90 million cap versus a $68 million cap).

    67. Apparently the Knicks and Thanasis’ agent are in agreement that he will play the entire season in the D-league so in the off-season he can get a 3 or 4 yr deal from the Knicks where as if he gets called up now he can only sign a 2 yr deal with this season being the 1st year. At least I believe thats what I read somewhere.

      But I do believe it is in the Knicks best interests to NOT call him up this season is what Im getting at from what Ive read.

      It’s interesting that his agent wants to lock him in at what will surely be a very low rate. That’s going against the recent trend of second-round draft picks specifically trying to get as short term of a deal as possible.

    68. As for Dragic, it is pretty funny that this is one of the few instances where the Knicks are helped out by the fact that they have no assets to trade. Honestly, I don’t see Jackson being all that interested in Dragic.

    69. How could anybody with even a small functioning portion of a brain think that giving $20M/year to Goran Dragic is a good idea? I would rank “giving $20M a year to Goran Dragic” somewhere between “trying to talk Baron Davis out of retirement” and “converting Cole Aldrich to a point guard” when it comes to solutions for the point guard problem.

    70. I wouldnt mind giving Dragic 10 million in the summer if we trade Calderon. But 20 million? His 3P shooting is just above average, although it has fluctuated between great (last year) and bad (the year before). His defense and his passing are nice, but his abilities dont scream MAX anywhere. I dont know where he figures he is getting 20 million.

    71. Dragic is good but he’s not $20M good. Where did that stupid number come from?

      Looking forward to free agency, we’ll have a lot of money and I expect the starting 5 to be Melo plus three free agents plus one draft pick. All the incumbents move to the bench or out. I figure that we should be paying out about $30-35 to the 3 new starters we get which will put us at around $70-75M in team salary (once you fill the bench). So we’re looking at the $10-15 per year range for players. What kind of point guard will we get with that sort of money? Is the budget too low or too high?

    72. I just realized the cap will be around $65M in 2015-16 and that blows my budget out of the water. Assuming we pick up all the team options (or replacing them with similar salary) that’s 8 players costing us $34M. That leaves the last 7 players at a cost of about $30M total. So take 4 players at $2M per and that leaves $22-$23M per for 3 players.

    73. “How could anybody with even a small functioning portion of a brain think that giving $20M/year to Goran Dragic is a good idea?”
      Apparently the only person who thinks that it would be a good idea is Dragic’s agent, since it appears that he’s the one who leaked the story that Dragic would be “looking for” a 4 year/$80 million contract. He wouldn’t be much of an agent if he came out and said that Dragic is looking for a 4 year/$24 million contract. Dragic at $6 million would be an absolute steal. Dragic at $20 million would be a ridiculous overpay. Somewhere between those two is the right number.

    74. The answer to the pg problem is corey joseph or d’angelo russell but im not sure that we’ll get either.

    75. I would trade anything short of a #1 pick to get rid of Calderon. Any chance Phoenix takes Calderon, Early and TH2 plus a 2nd for him? I don”t care if Dragic doesn’t sign.

    76. What am I missing with the talk about Gasol as a max free agent? His shooting and rebounding is below average, his WP48 is just above average (135) and he’s 30, so his defense is about to decline. Three years for 45-50 sounds like a reasonable price. More than that? Nope.

    77. What am I missing with the talk about Gasol as a max free agent? His shooting and rebounding is below average, his WP48 is just above average (135) and he’s 30, so his defense is about to decline. Three years for 45-50 sounds like a reasonable price. More than that? Nope.

      DPOY two years ago, best passing big man, great BBIQ, nice shooting touch, hasn’t had major injury problems. He is the best player in the 2nd best team in the west where the next best player is Zach “i’m glad he left the knicks” Randolph. His brother is still playing well at 34, if that’s any indication of longevity.

      I mean, if you do not want him at the max, which other center would you pay the max to? I mean, seriously, i would be much more afraid of Dwight Howard’s health, or Cousins’ mentality. And i don’t see any other serious contender.

      Perhaps you are relying too much in a tool that valued Zach Randolph as .055 and utter garbage when was on the knicks and .244 and one of the best PFs in the game now.

    78. Perhaps it is true that the Knicks should focus on the future, forget about FAs, and try to use their cap space to get young assets; but that has nothing to do with the actual value of Marc Gasol.

      Personally, i would be ecstatic if we managed to sign Gasol, Matthews (at ~11) and draft Russell; but it is likely we do neither.

    79. Dragic is good but he’s not $20M good. Where did that stupid number come from?

      It comes from a lot of teams having cap space and a dearth of elite players to spend it on. Dragic is maybe the top PG free agent this summer. He’ll get paid a ton of money by somebody.

      Just like in 2010, NY isn’t collecting cap space just to play Moneyball with it. Phil will throw whatever money he has to at whomever he has to. We saw it with Carmelo last summer, and we’re going to see it with the mediocre “max” guys in play for next year.

    80. I do agree that Jackson isn’t going to just let his money ride. And I agree that it won’t be surprising if he makes a signing that we look at and say, “Really? That guy?” But I just don’t think it’ll be Dragic.

    81. Honestly, this upcoming free agency season will be fascinating, because what do you do if you’re a free agent and you know that the next season every team will have huge cap space and that the max you can get will be going up by 30%? How do you decide what to do? Will we see a shocking plethora of two-year contracts with the second year a player option? If you’re Jimmy Butler, are you really going to turn down 5 years/$91 million from Chicago on the possibility that you can then sign a 5 years/$118 million contract the following season from Chicago?

    82. On that note, I really think that the NBA should make a shocking reversal and, you know, treat the Players Association like they’re not morons and actually give them something so that the players will agree to cap smoothing. Cap smoothing hurts the Knicks, but I think in general it helps the NBA, because you don’t want the guys signing deals this year (or guys who signed deals last year) to feel like chumps when the cap is about to skyrocket the next season. If there’s cap smoothing, though, the extra money would just be spread out to every player until they hit the “correct” cap number, so there’d be no weird “super offseason.”

    83. That is what I suggested. I think the NBA should give higher rookie and minimum salaried as compensation for cap smoothing. If the NBA spends the same amount of money they would have under the current cap, but the revenue raise is distributed more uniformly among all the NBA players, I think the union would have a hard time arguing with that.

    84. “Really? That guy?” But I just don’t think it’ll be Dragic.

      Yeah, maybe not the Knicks but somebody will. How many teams can offer a max contract this summer? About 15 or so?

    85. Yeah, maybe not the Knicks but somebody will. How many teams can offer a max contract this summer? About 15 or so?

      Oh yeah, agreed. If he’s not getting literally 4/$80 million, he’s getting very close to it. You really have to wonder, though, if Phoenix believed he ultimately was always going to leave as a free agent because of all the options for him out there. That would explain the Bledsoe match and the Thomas signing.

    86. I think Dragic’s sudden interest in the NYK is a ploy by his agent to try to entice Jax to do the following: trade our 2018 pick/Bargs. Knicks would obtain Bird Rights and Dragic’s cap hold would be “only” 11.2m (150% of current salary). Phil could then add Monroe and then go over the cap to give Dragic the type of money he wants. I don’t favor it but would Phil bite on this?

      What if Plum (who they’re looking to deal) were included in any trade? Example: Dragic/Plum/filler — 2018 pick/Timmy/Early/Bargs?

    87. He wouldnt trade the 2018 pick for 28yr old Dragic that is about to get the max and could potentially be signed outright in 5 months, right? RIGHT? I dont believe it because then I will be convinced that nothing has changed.

    88. @96 Gasol’s dpoy would be 3 years in the past until he gets to next season. His brother had 2 consecutive non-contributor injury years between his 30th and 34th.

      As for the best player on Memphis, that team has a bunch of very good, not great players. Plus they’re 2nd best in the West, and come playoffs usually they’re not considered a true contender. So it doesn’t say much.

      Plus if you have 2 max players in their 30’s you’re kind of an old team, and old teams usually don’t win unless they already won in the past and have a Kawai Leonard kind of player. (Boston? A still top KG is way better than any of Melo and Gasol, and his Kawai was called Rondo.)

      I say no way you give Gaol a 4-5 years max contract.

    89. @ 94 – Zero chance of that happening. Phx would just keep him and roll the dice that they could sign him since they will be able to offer him a 5th year.

    90. First time poster- With all the talk of free agency signings etc. Marc Gasol would have been a great signing 3-4 years ago, not too excited to see him in NYC next season. However, what about DeAndre Jordan? Assuming we don’t draft K.A.T. he would be perfect centerpiece of Melo + whomever we draft (Okafor or Russell) Not too sure Clips max him out, but Id offer a max if it pulled him away from L.A.C.

      A Jordan, Okafor, Melo, Matthews, Beverly / Joseph starting 5 is pretty enticing.

    91. this is going to be the offseason to stand pat and get into the sub 5mil market to fill out the roster.. the amount of max money that is going to be thrown out is going to be nauseating… wes matthew max money? that’s happening… tristan thompson 15 mil? why not…

      some names to monitor… cory joseph, kj mcdaniels, amir johnson, thomas robinson, koufos, crowder…

      the dragics, danny and dray greens, reggie jacksons et al.. are just not going to be worth whatever ridiculous money they’d be getting… and i have a bad feeling we are going to be hitting a lot of those names…

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