Knicks Morning News (2015.01.13)

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony admits surgery ‘my only option’ for knee (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:09:54 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony’s worst-case scenario – even worse than 5-35 – now seems inevitable.

  • [New York Times] Harden Has 30, Rockets Rout Nets After Howard-Garnett Fight (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:24:15 GMT)

    Dwight Howard’s face might have been stinging from Kevin Garnett ramming his head into it, and now his ears were ringing as fans directed loud boos toward him.

  • [New York Times] Magic Shoot 59 Percent in 121-114 Victory Over Bulls (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:09:27 GMT)

    Nikola Vucevic had 33 points and 11 rebounds, and the Orlando Magic snapped a six-game losing streak with a 121-114 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Even With Garnett’s Ejection, Nets Put Up Little Fight in Loss (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:09:13 GMT)

    Kevin Garnett departed in the first quarter after head-butting Houston’s Dwight Howard, then the Rockets’ outside game helped them pull away.

  • [New York Times] Sullinger, Smart Lead Celtics to 108-100 Win Over Pelicans (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:06:27 GMT)

    Marcus Smart knows shooting is the biggest part of his game that he needed to improve. His work paid off with a timely 3-pointer on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Heading to London as a Ragged Ambassador (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 03:37:46 GMT)

    Though they were in the conversation as the worst team in the N.B.A., the Knicks planned to represent the league “with a sense of pride,” Coach Derek Fisher said.

  • [New York Times] Jennings Helps Pistons Knock Off Raptors 114-111 (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 03:15:46 GMT)

    Brandon Jennings had 34 points and 10 assists, and the Detroit Pistons won for the ninth time in 10 games, beating the Toronto Raptors 114-111 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Keeping Score: Rangers and Knicks Have Same Address, but They’re on Different Planets (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 02:30:41 GMT)

    For Madison Square Garden’s roommates, every Rangers success is being met with a corresponding Knicks failure.

  • [New York Times] Roy Tarpley, 50, Center Banished by N.B.A., Dies (Tue, 13 Jan 2015 02:24:25 GMT)

    Mr. Tarpley was a former Dallas Mavericks star center whose promising N.B.A. career was cut short by drug abuse, leading the league to bar him twice.

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    87 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.01.13)”

    1. Melo quoted as saying the “Easiest thing would be to shut down, but I want to stay out there and help my team,” as a puddle of sarcasm pools at his feet.

      No…shutting it down now and getting surgery would be the most “selfless” thing and the best thing for the team. Instead, he’ll stick around for the glory of the London and All Star game, delaying the enevitable for another month and possibly jeopardizing the start of next season. So transparent, so predictable.

      He has put money ahead of basketball. His brand ahead of a championship. He is the “i” in this team. http://blueprintbasketball.com/there-is-an-i-in-team-but-no-need/

    2. I didn’t get the logic either. Wait so you can compromise your off-season and gimp around for a 5 win team. It makes no sense.

    3. @1

      I’m not that sure about it.

      I too hope he gets surgery now, but we can’t be sure about his reasons to wait until the All-Star Game. For one, the Knicks are near-to-nothing without him to the casual fan, so going to London without Melo suiting up could be a hit on the whole Knicks brand. Ditto for the ASG, which will be hosted at the MSG, so maybe Dolan wants to have something to show to his peers (by the way: if Melo doesn’t get voted in by the fans, are we sure he’s going to get voted in by the coaches? I hope Korver gets the nod much before Melo). So it could be that someone within the Knicks organization is pushing him to play at least those two games. Unlikely theory, but not an impossible one.

      That said, I agree that’s a moronic statement by Melo. But then again, Melo is the typical example of an athlete who doesn’t know better when talking publicly. Any statement by Melo has no meaning by definition… it’s just there to make the Bermans of the world write something confused about it.

    4. What is up with Bargs? How bad can a calf be? Shouldn’t he be trying to boost his own value so he gets some $$ next year, from someone?

    5. Ha! Who knows. That guy can’t help us even when we would badly need his tanktastic skills (to be honest: we don’t need him to suck, we do suck plenty already). Good thing we have Jah!

      BTW: Jah has become in just two months and a half the worst Knick ever of the modern era in my mind. Worse than Jerome James, worse than Eddy Curry, worse than anybody. He seems a good guy, but is an abomination on the court.

    6. I have a stupid question:

      Why is Jason Smith’s nickname “Jah” (not Jay), and how must one pronounce it?

    7. So we are still doing this Melo is a bad guy cuz he wants to play an all star game then have surgery?

    8. Jah has become in just two months and a half the worst Knick ever of the modern era in my mind. Worse than Jerome James, worse than Eddy Curry, worse than anybody. He seems a good guy, but is an abomination on the court.

      This is false. Eddy Curry cost us Joakim Noah, Jason Smith cost us a roster spot, which could have been used on a young prospect. Does Jason Smith suck? Sure does. Did he cost us one of the best centers in the game? No. Eddy Curry is still the worst.

    9. “So we are still doing this Melo is a bad guy cuz he wants to play an all star game then have surgery?”
      No, we’re apparently saying that he’s a bad guy because he had the nerve to say that he wants to try to get out on the court to help his team, and that he doesn’t want to give up on the season despite the team’s awful record. I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather have a guy like Derrick Rose saying, “I know that my team is in the playoffs, and the doctors say that my knee is physically back to 100%, but I’m not confident that I will be able to play up to my usual high standards. So, rather than run the risk that I’ll go out there and look bad, I think that I’ll sit out this series instead of trying to see if I can help my team get to the next round.” By the way, did anyone else notice the crickets from the MMM bashers when both LeBron James and Kevin Love said that they are going to do whatever they can contractually to absolutely maximize their earnings?

    10. I don’t recall any statement by Melo where he said anything selfish or egotistical, no matter what names people call him.
      He DOES say stupid things. But he never complains, and he never backs down.
      (Say what you will about his game, he DOES play hero-ball, especially when it’s clear no one around him can shoot the ball. But winning the game by any means necessary has always been his game. Even if it means him missing his shots [because who was the last “efficient shooter” or true secondary scorer on this team?])

    11. I’ve got no problem with Melo wanting to get back out there and help the team. It’s not his job to see the bigger picture, it’s his job to play games and try to help the Knicks win games and he wants to do that. Losing is really hard on a team and a group of players and he has to sit in the locker room and fly on the plane with the other guys every day and see how bummed they are after another one sided loss, and regardless of how much he can actually help the situation (spoiler: probably not that much), he’s going to want to do whatever he can.

      However, Phil and the rest of the organization allowing him to come back would be pretty dumb. It actually is their job to see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture here is that if they’re not willing to trade Melo (and they don’t seem to be) than their focus should be on making next year’s Knicks as good as possible. That goal is served doubly by Melo sitting out, since it increases our ping pong balls and increases Melo’s chances of being healthy next year. If Melo does return it’ll be on Phil, not Melo in my eyes.

    12. I’d be OK if Melo played in JUSTthe All-star game. But London or any other game absolutely not; I don’t give a damn what medical staff says. Phil needs to step up and take charge – no mind games.

      There’s an interesting dynamic here which nobody in the media has mentioned to my knowledge. Phil didn’t expect to have a top 3 pick at the start of the season. It’s gonna take a couple of years for Towns or Okafor to become really productive. Wouldn’t that have an effect on Jax’s thinking? I hope Phil does not trade the pick but instead realizes a little longer rebuild is the better approach.

      Example: if Chicago falters, I mentioned a possible Melo to Chicago, Noah to Cleveland, and Dellavedova/Chicago 1st round pick to Knicks scenario. We then acquire one of Joseph/Mills/Beverley/Jackson (would Spurs keep Parker, Joseph, and Mills?). We offer Draymond 15m and, in exchange for GSW not matching, we take Lee’s remaining 1 year deal into our cap. GSW could then avoid luxury tax and make play for Millsap, Marc G, or another free agent. We end up with 4 young (<=24yo) promising players (who we could have through their primes), no health concerns, no wasted cap. We'd be on our way.

    13. “and Dellavedova/Chicago 1st round pick to Knicks scenario”
      You realize that one reason that the Cavaliers wanted Shumpert and JR is that Dellavedova has been downright awful this year, right? Check out his stats — both traditional and advanced. He’s been brutal. So, you want to trade Melo and get back a 20-ish pick and a guy who is probably no better than Langston Galloway?

    14. Melo has kinda sucked this season. If he wants to help the Knicks try to win, he needs to get healthy. Melo on a bum knee who isn’t an elite 3 point shooter isn’t going to help the Knicks win. Well, actually he might, since his backup is Travis freaking Wear, but you get my point.

    15. shutting it down now and getting surgery would be the most “selfless” thing and the best thing for the team. Instead, he’ll stick around for the glory of the London and All Star game

      I get his desire to play in the allstar game. For one day he’ll have everything he’s ever wanted: max contract, play in NY, and have eleven teammates who are better than him at basketball.

      Dreams can come true.

    16. So, you want to trade Melo and get back a 20-ish pick and a guy who is probably no better than Langston Galloway?

      Hell yeah. Melo’s on the worst contract in the entire league.

    17. So we are still doing this Melo is a bad guy cuz he wants to play an all star game then have surgery?

      Well, Phil said not to blame Fisher. And we can’t blame Phil because he’s got 13 rings. So that leaves who, exactly, to bear the brunt of a 5-35 record– the worst in franchise history?

      There is a blame order here: management, coach, highest paid player. Then guys like Jason Smith and Travis Wear get it (but the peripheral players tend to get the bar when games are winnable and the losses are in the margins). This team is historically bad.

    18. Melo’s on the worst contract in the entire league.

      Brooklyn Nets fans strongly disagree with you….See Joe Johnson AND Deron Williams.

    19. In terms of value for this season, Carmelo is not the most overpaid player in the league. But we got 4 more years of this shit. I’d trade Melo for Kobe, Joe Johnson or Deron Williams without even thinking about it.

    20. @22 Of what shit? You arent even judging a healthy good team season. You are just saying you dont want melo which is fine , but dont act like you are basing it on some season long decline. Dude is hurt and hasnt played well because of it.

      I sometimes think i am too rational. and not fanatic enough.

    21. In terms of value for this season, Carmelo is not the most overpaid player in the league. But we got 4 more years of this shit. I’d trade Melo for Kobe, Joe Johnson or Deron Williams without even thinking about it.

      Fair point, but I should hope we could net more for Melo than that.

    22. Chronic injury to players in their 30s is a sign of decline. Anthony has 30,000 mins in this league. It’s what happens, and it doesn’t stop happening. He’s not going to be surgically repaired into the body of a 24 year old. The decline is real, whether you want to blame it on injuries or not.

    23. You realize that one reason that the Cavaliers wanted Shumpert and JR is that Dellavedova has been downright awful this year, right? Check out his stats — both traditional and advanced. He’s been brutal. So, you want to trade Melo and get back a 20-ish pick and a guy who is probably no better than Langston Galloway?

      Check out his stats for last season – very impressive. Remember this year he’s had mid-season surgery which probably has affected his numbers. He’s a combo guard who’d be perfect for the Triangle. In fact, in the scenario I outlined, all those young guys would be the type who Phil could groom in the Triangle system, yet another reason in favor of Jax taking that road.

    24. I sure hope that the Knicks don’t ever sign LeBron James because he is the same age as Melo and has played more minutes and had the best year of his career statistically last year but has been suffering from a sore knee since the first week of this season and then strained his back and has missed the last 10 games (sound familiar?). The decline is real, whether LeBron supporters want to blame it on injuries or not.

    25. Is that tongue-in-cheek? LBJ drops from .250 to 180 WS/48 and he’s still excellent. Melo drops from .180 to .130 and, well ….

    26. I’m pretty interested to hear how Lebron’s decline and struggles with wear and tear injuries are a point in favor of the idea that we should consider Melo’s decline and struggles with wear and tear injuries to be an aberration. That’s not totally computing for me.

    27. Yeah the fact that Melo is already having wear and tear issues doesn’t seem like a good reason to be defending the contract. Does anyone remember Amar’e? Surgeries hurt your ability to perform at a high level in the future, especially if you are over 30.

    28. Here’s your top 20 in win shares thus far:

      1. James Harden; 2 Anthony Davis; 3 Chris Pau; 4 Stephen Curry;5 Damian Lillard; 6 Jimmy Butler; 7 Kyle Lowry; 8 Tyson Chandler; 9 DeAndre Jordan; 10 Jeff Teague; 11 Marc Gasol 12 Pau “I’m not quite as washed up as that idiot DRed thought” Gasol; 13 Blake Griffin 14; Wesley Matthews; 15. Mike Conley; Kyle Korver; 17 LaMarcus Aldridge; 18. Kevin Love; 19 Klay Thompson; 20 Paul Millsap

      That’s 3 guys older than 30. (Korver, Pau, and Tyson) The NBA is a young man’s league. Melo’s contract is a bad bet.

    29. Melo Melo Melo Melo Melo Melo Melo Melo Melo Melo Melo.

      I can’t take anymore. The guy’s freakin’ contract runs through 2019. By the time this fiasco is over we will be looking at an entire decade of our lives as Knicks fans flushed down the toilet of trying to build a winning team around Carmelo Anthony. It’s a slightly different flavor of poop than trying to build a winning team around Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry, but it’s poop nonetheless.

      But hey, maybe his knee will get better, and the triangle will magically transform him into a true max player, and Melo’s prime will turn out to be his age 31-34 seasons. And Marc Gasol will come here, and the Knicks will get a star player with their draft pick and we’ll all sit here talking about how er was right and Jowles and DRed and Owen and the people who are always right were wrong this time, and isn’t it great that the Knicks are trying for a threepeat here in 2018.

      But probably not.

    30. That’s 3 guys older than 30. (Korver, Pau, and Tyson) The NBA is a young man’s league. Melo’s contract is a bad bet.

      And 2 out of those 3 guys have 5k+ fewer minutes played than Melo. Korver’s only got 23K total minutes. You don’t build a team on a low probability that a 30yo/33K MP guy who’s got no margin for error in overall performance will maintain his peak performance. Phil missed the train out this past summer but he may have one last chance this summer. Don’t mess this up Jax!

    31. The NBA is a young man’s league

      False. how many young teams win chips???? Anyone, Anyone, Anyone,Bueller????

    32. @32 ive never said Melo will be some Jordan/Lebron level player. All i said is can we have a summer to get a team together and then go forward from there.

    33. @32 ive never said Melo will be some Jordan/Lebron level player. All i said is can we have a summer to get a team together and then go forward from there.

      Well, a’ight, but this team has massive black holes at the point guard, shooting guard, power forward and center positions. Maybe taking more than “a summer” to fill all of those holes might be a good idea instead of giving out a bunch of free agent contracts that bind the team to another half decade of insipid mediocrity. On the other hand, fuck it. WIN NOW!

    34. The championship hasn’t been played yet this year, which is what the data Dred is pointing out is based on.

      Regarding championship basketball, the data does show that, given the rules and climate of the current NBA, a trend toward a faster paced, open court style is leading to more team success than the old half-court grind-it-out “playoff tested” style we all know and love. And it takes young players to successfully play that style for close to 100 games a year.

      And on top of that young players, even at the max, are a lot cheaper than older players.

      So, I agree with Dred. It is a young player’s league.

    35. Regarding championship basketball, the data does show that, given the rules and climate of the current NBA, a trend toward a faster paced, open court style is leading to more team success than the old half-court grind-it-out “playoff tested”.

      The Spurs were exactly this and they were and old team. The team that most people think is the most balanced in the League, the Bulls are an old team etc. I dont understand why we cant have a fast paced team with Melo. Furthermore, the only young team with a legit shot this year is Oakland.

    36. And on top of that young players, even at the max, are a lot cheaper than older players

      Very true. Thats why we should go after Matthews and Dray Green types

    37. There are 28 players in the league this season 31 and over who have played 300+ minutes and put up a WS/48 over .100. That’s it.

    38. “Well, a’ight, but this team has massive black holes at the point guard, shooting guard, power forward and center positions. Maybe taking more than “a summer” to fill all of those holes might be a good idea instead of giving out a bunch of free agent contracts that bind the team to another half decade of insipid mediocrity.”
      I have no idea what might happen this summer but let’s say the Kings have soured on Cousins and are willing to trade Cousins and their first round pick for the #1 pick (assuming the Knicks own the #1 pick), the Knicks sign Wes Matthews and draft, say, Stanley Johnson with the Kings pick. You don’t think that a young core of Cousins, Matthews and Johnson will mesh well with Melo and that, as Melo ages, they can build around those three? Or, if the Knicks get the #2 or 3 pick and draft Towns and sign Millsap and Matthews. That’s not a good core that is a good mix of young guys and veterans?
      @28 — yes, it was tongue in cheek.

    39. @41 There are an awful lot of assumptions in that first scenario. Sure IF the Knicks get the #1 pick and IF the Kings are willing to make trade Cousins for that pick and IF Stanley Johnson is still on the board when the Knicks pick which is unlikely and IF they sign Wes Matthews and not “good for the triangle” player Greg Monroe… Sure, IF Phil threads the needle and gets an incredible amount of luck of good luck along the way I guess it might be possible to assemble a contender in one offseason. But this ish is playing .125 basketball right now and the carryover players are almost all straight garbage. I don’t see how you can add 40+ wins to a team in a single offseason but he’s the Zen Master and I’m just a dude on the internet so we’ll see how it plays out I guess. Color me skeptical at the moment.

    40. Johnno– you’ve painted a plausible picture of what the Knick’s path to future success around Carmelo Anthony can look like. The problem is that the road is narrow, and depends on factors outside of the Knicks control (winning lottery, having guys choose the Knicks over other teams in FA, other franchises falling apart and dumping their bet players, etc…). The reason the road is so narrow is because of the investment in Carmelo Anthony over the next 4.5 years. Without him, there would be many more avenues to long-term franchise health.

    41. Without him, there would be many more avenues to long-term franchise health.

      More doesnt equal certainty….just remember that. Grass is not always greener

    42. @44 Huh?

      If you’re bad, would you rather have many options to improve or limited options?

    43. Until Melo actually has the surgery there’s no point speculating about his future productivity. If he just needs a bit a cartilage cleaned out then there’s no reason to think he level of play is going to fall off a cliff- is he probably going to decline? Sure but you’re talking about a guy who’s hasn’t had a ton of injuries and is coming off of two of the best seasons of his career. Yes, even at his best he wasn’t worth what he Knicks are paying him but his contract isn’t the black hole that Amare’s has been. At least it’s too soon to say- if the doctor gets in there and says he needs micro fracture surgery then we’re completely screwed. I’d still love to move him given and build around whoever we draft and hopefully a good young free agent or two but I think jumping to the conclusion that the Knick’s are doomed is a bit premature.

    44. Yes, even at his best he wasn’t worth what he Knicks are paying him but his contract isn’t the black hole that Amare’s has been.

      That is truly damning with faint praise. Now the guy who wasn’t worth a max contract in the first place, even at his best, gets another max contract covering his decline phase.

      When you do dumb things, they usually don’t work out.

    45. If you’re bad, would you rather have many options to improve or limited options?

      I agree with the statement in a vacuum, but the wildcard is Melo. You think Melo is shit, therefore you think having him is holding you back while i dont. With Melo still on the team you still have quite a few options.

    46. “I’d still love to move him”
      The problem there is that, unless and until there is more certainty regarding whether his knee needs a minor cleanout or microfacture surgery or something in between, he is impossible to trade, even if he requests it. By the way, contrary to what anyone who reads my posts and who gives a crap about what I think (which I realize reduces the sample size dramatically) might believe, I am not a complete Melo sycophant/apologist. I am disappointed that he didn’t take $5 million/year less than he signed for, I am annoyed that they gave him the no-trade clause, I wish he would pass out of double teams more, I wish he would play defense more consistently and I don’t think that he is one of the top 5 players in the league. However, I do think that a lot of the criticism of him on this site is ridiculous, I do think that a healthy Melo is somewhere between the fifth to fifteenth best player in the league, I do think that he can be a major piece of a winning team and I don’t think that his contract is a complete albatross (unless he needs microfracture surgery, in which case, we’re screwed).

    47. . . . and we’ll all sit here talking about how er was right and Jowles and DRed and Owen and the people who are always right were wrong this time, and isn’t it great that the Knicks are trying for a threepeat here in 2018.

      But probably not.

      As a regular Melo critic, I feel left out.

    48. It’s not that Melo is shit. We saw last year that Melo can be a very productive player (at least on offense). And we saw two years ago that a team with Melo on it can be a legit contender. It’s just that Melo doesn’t have a lot of margin for error, since his value is dependent on him being a somewhat above average efficiency scorer. That’s not a bad thing to have at a high usage level, but it’s pretty worthless if his efficiency dips even a little.

    49. On a personal level, I ain’t mad at Carmelo Anthony for getting a max contract. Good for him. But the addled thinking by our front office seems to suggest that they believed Carmelo Anthony was going to IMPROVE going into his thirties, because of Triangle Magic or something. As if just being around the Zen genius Phil Jackson was going to be the final chapter of the Carmelo Anthony kuntslerroman, where he finds his inner champion and finally cracks that .200 WS48 plateau where the greats live.

      It was all a bit of an ego wank, because the far more likely scenario was that Melo was going to start declining in his thirties, and play more like the .130 WS48 type player he has been for much of his career. And that he’d probably be hurt a lot. Phil Jackson was a great coach but let’s get real, the guy isn’t a goddamn wizard.

    50. I like Aldrich … I see him doing well with or without us. Acy is nice he just needs a hug , he doesn’t like letting his man down. Really this team isn’t that bad because we have lost a lot but we’re not getting blown so I just think it’s a morale thing. The large corporate structure makes things so intense that there’s a severe need for comradie and we just keep moving pieces and the guys don’t like each other things like we get rid of Caldo that’s trading away Prigs best friend , that type of shit leads to people not concentrating and trying for the guy next to him. When we talked of trading Shump last year the boy fell apart . When we traded for Melo in we destroyed everything and we continue to do it with boos and trades and big time hires like “The zen master”. The team needs a big giant hug , a camping retreat and a day at the beach. We don’t need any players. The guys on the team are fine.

    51. Carmelo sort of reminds me of Allen Iverson — able to score lots of points, and therefore highly acclaimed by fans and sportswriters who ignore efficiency. Both players didn’t contribute much beyond scoring. It’s possible to build a successful team around this kind of player, but it’s very hard, and it requires the right coach and the right mix of supporting players. Heck, the Sixers made the Finals once! But it’s probably harder for the Knicks now given Melo’s age and giant contract.

      Obviously this comparison between AI and Melo is superficial, but maybe Phil should consider hiring Coach Larry Brown.

      Has anyone looked at Rondo’s numbers with Dallas? He’s had a few good games, but his last four games he’s averaged 3.5 points/game on 19% shooting. Ouch.

    52. the guy isn’t a goddamn wizard.

      I disagree….he got a 12 million dollar deal for himself. hes a wizard lol

    53. Really this team isn’t that bad because we have lost a lot but we’re not getting blown so I just think it’s a morale thing.

      Losing is bad enough, and now I find out these guys aren’t even getting blown? Shame on you, LaLa.

    54. The team needs a big giant hug , a camping retreat and a day at the beach.

      I would pay up to $50 to pay per view a reality show about the Knicks team camping retreat. They should throw in the episode on team beach day for free though.

    55. We should stop selfishly wrecking players lives so we could build some far fetched fantasy team. We have destroyed a lot of players and the Very talented ones bounce back when they leave. Let’s start developing our team from the team out rather than the fans and experts in. Let the guys play and grow. Losing is fine. Pulling your hair out on the way down is just damn stupid. We have a capable team at the moment. We have stand up guys like Calderon and Acy in our line up, relax let the guys find their way, it’s not about wins anymore, it’s about us, the fans (with bags on their heads) and the guys whose jobs depend on speculating about this and that and that guy in the office who thinks a trade has to be made to keep his legacy, fuck you all, it’s about Shump developing a jump shot , it’s about Acy devolping a mid range game, it’s about Shane getting playing time, it’s about Jason learning to play in the post and if they get better and leave then so what cause we’ve destroyed enough lives. I miss toney Douglas . When we develop our players things will get better eventually.

    56. SangaD thank you for rising up in this sad blogspace. I’m voting for you as team & blog healer!

    57. It’s mind boggling how through dumb luck, Jackson may have actually improved our prospects for coming years. Clearly (not Cle-Early) we could have gotten more (or taken on less) from Dallas for Chandler. Clearly we could have gotten more for JR and Shump had we waited until Shump was healthy and back playing. Clearly we could have hired a more NBA-ready coach than Fisher. Clearly we could have implemented a system that was better suited to the personnel on the team.

      But being worse than the Sixers!!!???!!!

      Not even the omniescient Mister Jowles would have predicted that we would be well on our way to a 12-win season by the all-star break.

      No other scenario would have the Knicks drooling over a top 3 pick in a top-heavy draft. If we kept Chandler, he’s be enough to have us at the 12-14 win mark. With a veteran coach, maybe 3-4 of those tough losses become wins. Even if we had gotten a couple of lottery-protected picks and a decent bench player in return for Chandler, the prospect of landing a perrenial all-star in the draft is nice to think about.

      And to the Melo haters, is there any better scenario you could have imagined for getting Melo to ditch the no-trade clause, enabling us to get something nice (at least a Mozgov-like deal) in return?

      Hope springs eternal!

    58. I’m with Z-Man.
      I’ve been worried we’d have to wait another 10 years for Dolan to blow it up and do another 2010-style re-build. Instead, through Jax’s combination of stature AND managerial incompetence, we’re ready to do it again.

    59. #43 Bingo! The road is indeed narrow. And now longer. And straight uphill. The problem with Pjax agreeing to Melo’s max contract (and no trade clause) is that we’re completely hamstrung. Melo already has $50-70M in the bank and his licensing and brand “genius” will likely bring him another $50M+ in his lifetime. If he had half a brain he’d have said to PJax “I’ll stay for $100M. Put the other $25M into getting me as starting cast that will get us to the Finals.” Look at what Nowitzki and Duncan did. They get it. They’re champions. They know a title and the legacy that comes with it will more than make up for the cash. Besides, how much fucking money do you need? Pjax of all people should have seen this. He came here to change the culture. His deal with Melo just ensured there will be no culture change during his tenure. Best part of all this is that Melo and Pjax know it’s true and are probably both looking at Chicago and wondering what might have been…

    60. Look at what Nowitzki and Duncan did

      Duncan Career Earnings = $224,709,155
      Dirk Career Earnings = $204,063,985

      And those guys are 38 and 36 respectively. Get out of here with that communist shit bro.

    61. those guys are 38 and 36, get that commie shit blah blah blah

      As the official er fact-checker on this thread, I’ll just say that Dirk was actually 31 years old when he took a $16 million pay cut to give Cuban flexibility going into the 2010-2011 season. It allowed them to bring in Tyson Chandler (the first time), and it led directly to a championship that year.

      http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20100705-Cowlishaw-How-does-Dirk-Nowitzki-6430.ece

      Nobody is saying Carmelo should have signed for the minimum. But he could have left $16 million on the table, like Dirk did at the same age, and not been the worse off for it financially. But he only left less-than-1% of the max allowable on the table, effectively squeezing all he could into his contract while at he same time saying with a straight face that all he cared about was winning.

      (ps– Communism is rooted in the worker owning the fruits of their labor rather than having it owned by a bourgeoise landowner. So with regard to Melo v Dolan, Commies are on Melo’s side. Just wanted to point that out, because you seem to be angry at Commies for something they didn’t do)

    62. I mean I don’t like how players are becoming expected to leave money on the table to show that they’re serious about a championship while owners continue to extract value from what is essentially a labor-free, zero risk asset. But I will say that if you’re Melo and you seriously think this team can hope to win a chip without a pay cut on your end, your biggest problem isn’t your knees.

      All I ever wanted myself was worldwide democratic socialism and a Knicks chip and I’m not sure which is happening first. Hopefully the chip because I don’t know how contracts work when private property is abolished.

    63. All I ever wanted myself was worldwide democratic socialism and a Knicks chip and I’m not sure which is happening first. Hopefully the chip because I don’t know how contracts work when private property is abolished.

      Comment of the year, and it’s only January.

    64. @68 wrong because both Duncan and Dirk play 45 games in Texas aka an income tax free state so its still not the same

    65. In other news we can thank Mo Williams and his 52 point performance (What?!) for the Timberwolves, resulting in a win and more Knicks ping pong ballz to secure our trade for some mediocre free agent

    66. @68 wrong because both Duncan and Dirk play 45 games in Texas aka an income tax free state so its still not the same

      Oh, okay, I get it. Taxes are bad. Well, Melo had an offer from Houston if he wanted it. And probably could have gone to Dallas too, if he’d show any interest. But he only wanted to play in the communist states of New York, California, and Illinois. So, it’s not taxes that were playing into his decision.

      And if you don’t like the Dirk and Duncan examples because of the tax element, how do you justify Paul Pierce opting out of his contract in 2010 (at the age of current Melo), only to give Boston a discount in the Socialist Republic of Massachusetts?

    67. Pierce was 33. We could do this all day. My point is just I hate this criticism of contracts. The guy literally took a pay cut. Something none of.us would do

    68. Good JR is trying to the Cavs from going under .500. Dropping 3s like crazy in the third.

      I think Love is seriously going to be a 4th option on Offense.

    69. Did you see the Bron shove to Blatt? This is exactly the reason I don’t love the guy. He’s (or maybe was) obviously the best, but when things go south he starts acting like a fucking primadonna, and his teammates know that.

      I was befooled by his SI article “I’m coming home”, but he has been a child since then.

    70. This could be the most interesting summer in a long while. What if Love bolts? cgreene gave us “inside information” as Tony Reali would say that he’s gone and Lakers, NYK, and Houston are his top choices. You know Jax would immediately flip on his recent remark about not chasing names in favor of longer-term view. He’d sign Love and trade that draft pick in a NY minute. A Melo/Love/Hibbert frontcourt could be very enticing. BUT….

      That wouldn’t be the best approach. Channeling a line from the movie The Graduate, I’ve got one image for Phil: Parking Lot. Take on remaining 1 year contracts of David Lee and Varejao. Ship Melo to Chicago and Noah to Cavs. Tristan Thompson to Spurs and we receive one of Corey Joseph or Patty Mills. Sign Draymond as part of that whole sequence.

      I’d rather have Mills@4m, Draymond@15m, Towns@5m and 45m of free cap heading into summer of 2016 than Melo/Love/Hibbert. It sounds like lunacy but maybe moral of Cavs soap opera is only target 2-way players. Plus Durant would be an option and surely our situation would merit a look. Add KD to those 3 above and you still have oodles of cap space left.

    71. Kevin Love has been exposed as a very overrated player this season. He is Amar’e caliber when it comes to defensive play. DO NOT WANT.

    72. “Kevin Love has been exposed as a very overrated player this season. He is Amar’e caliber when it comes to defensive play. DO NOT WANT.”
      Actually Love is worse than Amare defensively because, before his knees gave out, at least Amare used to block a decent number of shots, if nothing else. Love doesn’t even do that. However, I do think that you can get away with Melo and Love in the same frontcourt if you have a stud defensive center — maybe Towns?– and good defensive guards — maybe Wes Matthews and Jose Cald…oh, never mind…

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