Knicks Morning News (2014.12.19)

  • [New York Times] Snyder Learning That There’s Never Enough Time (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:40:46 GMT)

    The Associated Press will periodically look at the changing landscape of the NBA during the season from varied perspectives: A player’s viewpoint, from the bench, and from the business side. In this installment, Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder provides an inside look.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Beat Thunder 114-109 After Durant Injury (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:31:53 GMT)

    Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr could only shake his head and grin while Kevin Durant put on the best performance of his young season in the first half.

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Thursday’s NBA Games (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:49:36 GMT)

    Highlights of Thursday’s National Basketball Association games:

  • [New York Times] Bucks Spoil Cousins’ Return, Beat Kings 108-107 (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:10:58 GMT)

    Brandon Knight scored 20 points and the Milwaukee Bucks spoiled DeMarcus Cousins’ return to the struggling Sacramento Kings with a 108-107 victory Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Pelicans Use Late Run to Beat Rockets (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:02:10 GMT)

    Anthony Davis had 30 points, 14 rebounds and 5 blocked shots to lead the visiting New Orleans Pelicans to a 99-90 win.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Warriors’ Andrew Bogut Out Indefinitely (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:57:56 GMT)

    Golden State Warriors center Andrew Bogut is out indefinitely after undergoing platelet-rich plasma therapy on his right knee.

  • [New York Times] Durant Leaves Thunder Game With Ankle Injury (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:49:40 GMT)

    Oklahoma City Thunder star Kevin Durant did not return for the second half against the Golden State Warriors on Thursday night after twisting his right ankle.

  • [New York Times] Bulls, Without Rose, Edge Knicks, Without Anthony (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:18:45 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony sat out with pain in his left knee, and the Bulls, playing without an ill Derrick Rose, prevailed at home.

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Thursday’s NBA Games (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:31:35 GMT)

    Highlights of Thursday’s National Basketball Association games:

  • [New York Times] Davis Scores 30, Leads New Orleans Over Houston (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:19:52 GMT)

    Anthony Davis had 30 points, 14 rebounds and five blocks to lead the New Orleans Pelicans to a 99-90 win over the Houston Rockets on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Butler Scores 35, Bulls Beat Knicks 103-97 (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:04:53 GMT)

    Jimmy Butler scored a career-high 35 points and the Chicago Bulls beat the New York Knicks 103-97 Thursday night in a game missing All-Stars Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony.

  • [New York Times] For Knicks, Futile Start Is Factor in Deciding Whether to Play Through Pain (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:04:21 GMT)

    With a 5-22 record, and injuries to Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and others, Amar’e Stoudemire chose to pass on a planned day of rest.

  • [New York Times] Rondo Traded to Mavericks (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 03:12:01 GMT)

    The Dallas Mavericks landed point guard Rajon Rondo in a trade with the Boston Celtics on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Trade Rajon Rondo to Mavericks for Three Players and Two Draft Picks (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 03:02:00 GMT)

    Boston dealt Rondo, a four-time All-Star and a first-round pick of the Celtics in 2006, as part of a major rebuilding project.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Trade Rondo to Mavericks (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:38:57 GMT)

    The Boston Celtics traded point guard Rajon Rondo to Dallas on Thursday night, cutting ties with the last remnant of their last NBA championship while giving Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavericks a chance at another title.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Sits Out Knicks’ Game Against Bulls (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 01:33:13 GMT)

    New York Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony sat out Thursday night against the Chicago Bulls because of a sore left knee.

  • [New York Daily News] Phil Jackson rips Charles Barkley as Knicks edged by Bulls (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:19:39 GMT)

    Melo joined a few injured teammates on the sidelines for the Knicks, and Derrick Rose was ill and not among those playing for the Bulls.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: With Carmelo out, Amar’e rejects day of rest (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:52:11 GMT)

    Recovery will have to wait for another day.

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: James Dolan shouldn’t charge more to watch Knicks (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:27:00 GMT)

    As a musician, James (Guitar Jimmy) Dolan must have a keen sense of timing. As a businessman, not so much.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks president Phil Jackson gets defensive on Twitter (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:49:45 GMT)

    Phil Jackson got more defensive on Twitter on Thursday than the Knicks have been all season.

  • [New York Post] The bright side to the Knicks whiffing on Rondo (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:13:19 -0500)

    CHICAGO — The Knicks didn't come close to getting point guard Rajon Rondo, according to a league source, but at least they saw him leave the Eastern Conference. According to…

  • [New York Newsday] Ailing Carmelo Anthony sits out loss to Bulls (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:28:27 EST)

    Carmelo Anthony and Bulls guard Derrick Rose already had been declared out of the nationally televised game when TNT's Charles Barkley offered his first analysis of the night.

  • [New York Newsday] Phil Jackson defends his trade with Mavericks (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 03:13:55 EST)

    Knicks president Phil Jackson defended the Tyson Chandler trade on Twitter on Thursday to a reporter who said he was "hornswoggled'' in the deal.

  • [New York Newsday] Tyson Chandler reminds Knicks fans what their team traded away (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:28:21 EST)

    For three seasons, Tyson Chandler "laced it up and went to battle" with the majority of the players on the Knicks roster. Because of that, the Dallas Mavericks center said he is shocked by the struggle the Knicks are having this season.

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    26 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.12.19)”

    1. Speaking of back up bigs. Anyone know the deal with Alexis Ajinca, Pelicans back up C? He looks like he has a little stroke and rebounds it well when he plays.

    2. Maybe Cole can start now? Hmmm??

      Seriously. They’re terrible, you’d think they’d at least give him a legit shot and not, “Oops, that’s a bad game from Cole, I guess we won’t see him again for three weeks!” Give him some rope, Fish!

    3. How is it that we’re playing much better without Melo? I never thought he was a problem (but giving him that MMM was a mistake) but it surely looks like there could be something, since our guys play better or at least easier on the eyes.

      Cole really, really deserves a real shot, like 15 games as our starting center with a minimum of 25 minutes per night (foul trouble notwithstanding). After that, we’ll draw our conclusions. In the mean time, emergency center my ass, Phil Jackson. Shane Larkin is on the floor, though.

    4. Might I suggest you go and see again the words of Phil Jackson on Jason Smith before the beginning of this season?

      From ESPN: “Jason Smith has certain similarities to Bargnani. Jason is a catch-and-shoot guy with 18-foot range and, like Andrea, needs work on his handle. Rebounding and defense are two more areas that need improvement. Otherwise, Jason is a bit tougher and meaner than he’s given credit for. He’s another player who has to determine whether he’s a better fit at the 4 or the 5.”

      Pretty much on the spot. At least we know that Phil still knows, like, something about basketball. But why did we sign him if our head honcho understood so clearly the type of player he was??? And don’t say “tanking”.

    5. How are the Knicks playing better? They Stink with or without Melo. It’s so lazy that anytime Melo is out, the line of thinking is ” we look better without Melo.” On the other hand id like to see Cole play more.

    6. But is true! Look, I’m not saying we should play without Melo for the sake of playing without him. Nor am I saying that Melo is a horrible player. I’m saying that it’s strange that our prettiest performances in the last month and a half came without him.

    7. I’m saying that it’s strange that our prettiest performances in the last month and a half came without him.

      It’s not strange at all. A big part of Melo’s game is to put the ball on the floor and create a shot for himself. Very few players can do that well. The problem is that shots like that are generally off balance mid range jumpers, jumpers against double teams, and assorted other poor shots that on a net basis are not efficient or desirable. They are supposed to be “bail out” shots late in the clock when the offense has broken down or the defense has done an especially good job. But those shots are a core part of Melo’s game regardless of whether he gets the ball early or late in the clock. That’s why he’s referred to as a ball stopper and doesn’t pile up assists like some other #1 scorers that often get double teamed.

      He plays a bad brand of basketball. It’s a losing brand of basketball. Fans can see that. That’s why he takes so much heat even though they can also see his vast scoring talents.

      Karl tried to change him but couldn’t.

      D’Antoni tried to change him but got chased out of town.

      Woodson gave him free reign and made him happy, but he got tossed for the failures.

      Jason Kidd was the only guy that did a good job of controlling him on some level. Most likely that was because he had the ball a lot of the time, a ring, and the respect to control the game.

      I have seen no indication at all that he has changed his style for the better under Jackson. That style generates very little value for the team. It only generates large contracts for Melo because PPG and tough shot making are dramatically overvalued.

    8. It’s so lazy that anytime Melo is out, the line of thinking is ” we look better without Melo.”
      Read Stratomatic above – he says it about as good as anyone has. What I find really strange is how his destructive basketball ways have gotten so much of a pass with many fans/media. The tide finally seems to be turning against him. Hell, if not for Hardaway’s “melo-like” chuck at the end, Knicks might have even had a chance to pull out last night’s game. I defy anyone to say they would have had a worse record this year if they had let Melo go. Clearly, not only does the ball move better without him but the players seem more energized to be playing team basketball instead of standing around being dissed by their “star.”
      If only Phil hadn’t blinked in free agency, we’d be rid of him and his ridiculous contract – now he’s damaged goods and hard to imagine another GM giving up much in a trade at this point.

    9. now he’s damaged goods and hard to imagine another GM giving up much in a trade at this point.

      I agree with most of the Melo bashing except this. His perceived value around the league is high, and especially with the cap going up over the next few years, I really don’t think moving him would be all that difficult. The hardest thing would be to sell him on it and get him to waive the worst part of his contract, the NTC.

    10. Absolutely agree with Kahnzy. Melo is and will be highly tradeable in the next two years. Problem is that you have to find a trade partner that Melo likes, and as we have seen before he doesn’t know anything about team-building and (sorry) “winning”. That is why I hope Phil is really on the phone with his old pal Mitch Kupchak about a Melo for Nash-and-Lin swap (I wouldn’t mind Ed Davis too). That is the only trade that might work for everyone.

    11. In terms of opportunity cost, Melo is the most absurdly expensive player ever.

      The Knicks gutted a young and flexible roster to bring him here, and gave up three future draft picks as well. Then to fill out the Melo/Stat team the Knicks foolishly believed to be a title contender, they made more bad moves. And then when a new regime came in and it was clear the Melo/Stat era led to some very disappointing results, they doubled down with the MMM contract and started the whole process again, and now 25 games into that contract Melo is complaining about the triangle offense and threatening to beat up teammates and everybody is firing up the trade machine and trying to figure out a way to undo the latest Mel0-related mistake.

      This could have been different. This team could look so different right now if Plan A, B and C wasn’t to build around the 2010’s version of Mark Aguirre. There were so many different ways this could have gone. The only sick form of poetic justice here is that now Melo is stuck in the quicksand that his own selfishness created. He can stay here and continue to get his ass kicked, or he can agree to a trade, likely to another dumb team that is miles away from contention. The real contenders in the league aren’t going to want him.

    12. The real contenders in the league aren’t going to want him.

      Hmm, not necessarily. If the Rockets wanted, they could take him aboard for Ariza + Terry + Papanikolau plus picks.

    13. His perceived value around the league is high, and especially with the cap going up over the next few years, I really don’t think moving him would be all that difficult.

      I have assumed this too, but Sam Smith, the HoF reporter for the Bulls, was on the radio at halftime of the Chicago broadcast yesterday saying how relieved the Bulls are that they didn’t gut their team this offseason for an injured Carmelo Anthony. I don’t think other teams necessarily see the “shut it down for ping pong balls” strategy that the fans do. They think Anthony would and should be playing better if he isn’t hurt, and they are probably right.

    14. “This could have been different. This team could look so different right now if Plan A, B and C wasn’t to build around the 2010’s version of Mark Aguirre.”

      Just curious what you think this team would look like if we had retained our “core” of Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Mozgov. Would we be contending for a championship, or would be one of a multitude of teams with decent talent and draft picks that they hope will be the next Anthony Davis and not Bismack Biyombo?

    15. He plays a bad brand of basketball. It’s a losing brand of basketball. Fans can see that. That’s why he takes so much heat even though they can also see his vast scoring talents.

      I think the problem is too many fans DON’T see it – and coaches and GM’s, too, all blinded by his great iso scoring ability.
      Barkley called him out on it last night, saying Melo’s a great “scorer” but not a great basketball player. Overrated.

    16. Just curious what you think this team would look like if we had retained our “core” of Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Mozgov.

      It’s not just those players we surrendered, it was opportunity cost that is the real drag about the ongoing Melo situation. Those players or a similar combination of players and draft picks could possibly have been flipped for a REAL star, like a Chris Paul. If the Knicks were patient and did not go all-in on Melo, they probably wouldn’t have felt inclined to give up a 2016 first round pick for a truly terrible Andrea Bargnani, and on and on.

    17. Absolutely agree with Kahnzy. Melo is and will be highly tradeable in the next two years. Problem is that you have to find a trade partner that Melo likes, and as we have seen before he doesn’t know anything about team-building and (sorry) “winning”. That is why I hope Phil is really on the phone with his old pal Mitch Kupchak about a Melo for Nash-and-Lin swap (I wouldn’t mind Ed Davis too). That is the only trade that might work for everyone.

      I don’t understand why you think Melo is highly tradeable and at the same time hope that we net Nash, Lin, and maybe Ed Davis in return for him.

      If we’re trading Melo, I think we can top what Ainge got for Rondo, at least. (And, as I mentioned in the Cole thread, I am extremely bitter than Ainge got so much more from Dallas for Rondo than we got for Chandler; not very confident in Phil’s ability to trade assets based on early returns.)

    18. In terms of opportunity cost, Melo is the most absurdly expensive player ever.

      Just wait til he convinces Phil to trade this year’s draft pick for a player than can help him win now.

      (And unless we get Okafor or another similar can’t miss prospect, I remain convinced that’s what’s going to happen.)

    19. Just curious what you think this team would look like if we had retained our “core” of Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Mozgov.

      I think we’d have been front runners to land Chris Paul a few months later. Or Dwight Howard. Those are two players that came available shortly after the Carmelo trade, but we had already sold the farm. Pity.

    20. I think we’d have been front runners to land Chris Paul a few months later. Or Dwight Howard. Those are two players that came available shortly after the Carmelo trade, but we had already sold the farm. Pity.

      Yeah, that’s it exactly. It’s not about Gallo, it’s about what they could have traded Gallo and picks for instead. Many of us were saying that then, so this is not like it is revisionist history.

      That said, I think there is little chance that Melo would not have accepted the trade to Brooklyn if the Knicks had, in fact, called his bluff, so there was little chance of the dream scenario of Melo and whoever they could have dealt Gallo and picks for. As we’ve seen from Melo, he’s all about the short term financial gain, no matter what it does to his career in the long term. That really would have been Melo to a tee – “I really want to go to New York, but the only way I guarantee myself the current max is to go to Brooklyn, so I guess I’ll go where I don’t actually want to go.” That’s pretty much what he did this offseason, as well – turned down the better fit for more money (at least this year it was for a lot more money. Back in 2011, he didn’t even gain anything financially outside of contract certainty).

    21. It’s not just those players we surrendered, it was opportunity cost that is the real drag about the ongoing Melo situation. Those players or a similar combination of players and draft picks could possibly have been flipped for a REAL star, like a Chris Paul. If the Knicks were patient and did not go all-in on Melo, they probably wouldn’t have felt inclined to give up a 2016 first round pick for a truly terrible Andrea Bargnani, and on and on.

      It’s nice to think that we could have gotten Chris Paul if we hadn’t traded for Melo, but most likely we would have completed the Deron Williams trade before we had a chance to get Paul. They were held in similar regard (wrongly) and Utah was always going to approach whichever party did not get Melo. I doubt we would have turned them down when Paul was still a year and a half from free agency and not rumored to be going on the trading block.

      Where that would leave us today is an interesting question and an amazing sliding door. We’re still probably not in a good place, but Mike D and Donnie Walsh may still be here. Amar’e would have been amnestied by now but who knows who would have replaced him. Does Tyson ever come? Lot’s of possibilities. But I don’t think Chris Paul is a likely one.

    22. I know PJ needs” lots of time” to show his value $12 million/year, but the more I think about it, the less optimistic I am about him.

      PJ was supposed to bring
      – a successful offensive system
      – winning attitude and transform culture
      – get the most out of his players (remember all the talk about Melo becoming better)
      – get his team to play hard
      – getting everyone to “buy-in”

      The unknown was his front office administrative skills.

      Okay, so let’s give him some more time to evolve the knicks into an elite team, but he’s been here nine months now, and I have trouble seeing anything he accompolished other than firing Woodson.

      The Melo deal was horrendous. After a lot of posturing, he gave Melo everything, topped off with a no-trade clause. Even if you agree that the knicks should have kept Melo, it’s still a stupid deal.
      He gave away Tyson Chandler too cheap. Wasn’t PJ supposed to be able to get big talents to play together?
      The triangle isn’t working. They don’t know how to win/close out games.

      More and more I’m thinking PJ made the same deal as Melo. $$,$$$$.$$

    23. The Knicks went all-in on Melo because Guitar Jimmy was butthurt over LeBron going to Miami. He wanted his own “Big 3” because everybody thought it was so cool that Miami had a “Big 3.” So we started off with a laughably shitty “Big 2” of Amar’e and Melo, and the results speak for themselves. Now it’s just about 2015 and we’re still papering over Guitar Jimmy’s idiotic mistake.

      This team ain’t ever gonna win shit.

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