Knicks Morning News (2014.12.18)

  • [New York Times] Harden Scores 41, Rockets Beat Nuggets in OT (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:53:57 GMT)

    James Harden couldn’t quite fight his way through traffic and just barely missed getting his hand in the face of Arron Afflalo as the Nuggets swingman knocked down a buzzer-beating 3-pointer to end regulation.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Edge Pacers for 102-100 Win (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:33:08 GMT)

    Blake Griffin had 31 points and 16 rebounds, DeAndre Jordan added 23 rebounds and 15 points, and the Los Angeles Clippers beat the Indiana Pacers 102-100 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Outlast Spurs 117-116 in 3 Overtimes (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:12:13 GMT)

    The Memphis Grizzlies ended years of frustration in San Antonio, and had to play late into the night to do it.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge, Trail Blazers Rally to Beat Bucks 104-97 (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:51:04 GMT)

    LaMarcus Aldridge had 23 points and 15 rebounds, and the Portland Trail Blazers pulled away in the fourth quarter to beat the Milwaukee Bucks 104-97 Wednesday night with both teams reeling from injuries to key players.

  • [New York Times] Thomas, Dragic Lead Suns Over Hornets, 111-106 (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:45:06 GMT)

    Goran Dragic said he hates to miss any game.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Raptors’ Fourth-Quarter Spurt Dooms Nets (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:07:38 GMT)

    Toronto outscored the Nets, 29-16, in the fourth quarter in the teams’ first meeting since the Nets’ 1-point win in Game 7 of a first-round playoff series in May.

  • [New York Times] Jazz Add to Heat Woes, Top Miami 105-87 (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:17:06 GMT)

    Gordon Hayward scored 29 points, Enes Kanter added 18 and the Utah Jazz overcame 42 points from Dwyane Wade to beat the Miami Heat 105-87 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Rondo Carries Celtics Past Magic, 109-92 (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:08:22 GMT)

    Rajon Rondo had 13 points, 15 assists and seven rebounds to lead balanced scoring that carried the Boston Celtics to a 109-92 victory over the Orlando Magic on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Parsons Scores 32, Mavs Beat Pistons 117-106 (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:04:53 GMT)

    Chandler Parsons scored a season-high 32 points and Monta Ellis added 25 as the Dallas Mavericks beat the Detroit Pistons 117-106 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Mack Leads Surging Hawks to Blowout in Cleveland (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 02:43:26 GMT)

    Shelvin Mack scored a career-high 24 points and the Atlanta Hawks routed the Cleveland Cavaliers 127-98 Wednesday night for their 11th victory in 12 games.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Carmelo wrong to pass on Bulls offer for Knicks mess (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 04:55:47 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony saw Chicago as a “perfect fit” which shows you that in NBA free agency, you don’t go with your branding expert.

  • [New York Daily News] No more Mr. ‘Nice’ Guy for Knicks coach Derek Fisher (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 04:52:31 GMT)

    Derek Fisher had finally had enough, or at least it seemed like the first time he had on the surface.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Stein: Knicks, Celtics talk trade for Rondo (Thu, 18 Dec 2014 01:21:26 EDT)

    The New York Knicks are one of several teams that the Boston Celtics have engaged in trade discussions involving point guard Rajon Rondo, sources have told ESPN.com’s Marc Stein. The Dallas Mavericks appear to have the best shot to land Rondo at this point, Stein reports. The Sacramento Kings, Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Lakers have also talked to Boston about Rondo, but Dallas is in the “most advanced talks,” Stein reports.

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    67 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.12.18)”

    1. There was a question yesterday about the potential top picks (if the Knicks were lucky enough to win the lottery). Who would you pick? Okafor or Mudiay.

      I haven’t watched a lot of college hoops but I did watch the preseason NCAA scouting reports on Draft Express.com and from what I saw, there is no LeBron, Jordan or Duncan in this draft. For all you hard-core draft nuts, I recommend watching the video scouting reports. They’re awesome!

      The following is a summary of their games from the videos…

      A summary of Okafor’s game:
      Strengths: Long, strong and mobile. Provides great interior scoring moves. Potentially dominant rebounder. He’ll be a good post defender. He’s a winner is smart, mature and NBA ready.
      Weaknesses: Average rim protection, not very explosive. Doesn’t get a lot of penetration. Not a great body. Has problems with perimeter D. Struggles with P&R. His defense is not fundamentally sound. He turns over the ball when doubled and isn’t a great passer. Forces plays. Has potential to improve passing. His shot has a very limited range. He’s a poor FT shooter and needs to work on this part of his game.

      A summary of Mudiay’s game:
      Strengths: Elite size (6’5″), dynamic in transition. Good, physical finisher. Has the tools to be a two-way player. Excellent rebounding guard. Creates shots. Quick, powerful and shifty. Excellent ball handle. Playmaker. A true point guard with good court vision.
      Weaknesses: Needs to improve perimeter shooting. Inconsistent and has technique flaws. Poor FT shooter. Makes poor decisions. Very turnover prone. Not an efficient scorer. Forces shots. Doesn’t always put forth the defensive effort. Has all the physical tools but appears lazy, stands around and watches too often.

      By the way, there are game videos of Mudiay in China. It was nice to see him play against Stephan Marbury. It doesn’t seem like Starbury’s…

    2. Are the Atlanta Hawks the best team in the East?

      Nah, they don’t have an alpha dog building block superstar.

    3. From that Woj article:

      “If you look closely at his columns and talk to people in the NBA, you discover that he mixes his reporting and opinion writing in improper ways, rewarding sources with flattery and punishing the uncooperative with nastiness. In fact, it often appears as though Adrian Wojnarowski lets his sourcing dictate not just the topic but also the tone of his writing.”

      Interesting. And probably sheds some light as to why he is so unfavorable to the Knicks, seeing how Dolan hates cooperating.

    4. If you like ball-dominant “shot creator” guards who shoot a lot and score with mediocre efficiency, Mudiay is your man.

    5. ” there are game videos of Mudiay in China.”
      I have no clue what kind of player Mudiay is since, until a couple days ago, I had never heard of him. However, I take stats/success in China with a little bit of a grain of salt because (a) he’s being guarded by the likes of Marbury and (b) didn’t Josh Harrelson put up insane numbers in China a few years ago (like 30 points/20 rebounds a game or something like that)?

    6. A buddy of mine from high school plays for the Globetrotters. Holds the record for most consecutive 4-pointers made. I’m hoping he goes mid-lottery once his skills tape hits Youtube.

    7. If the Knicks give up their 2018 pick to get Rondo, I’ll be really pissed, because that’s the same pick we refused to give Toronto for Lowry. And I would MUCH rather have Lowry than Rondo.

      Probably all moot though, as Dallas actually has a young budding star to offer in Brandan Wright and we have ?

    8. I would want Rondo now only if he came here straight for Bargs. Otherwise, thanks but no thanks (Rondo is a good player, but an awful fit for us and a free agent to be).

    9. I would want Rondo now only if he came here straight for Bargs. Otherwise, thanks but no thanks (Rondo is a good player, but an awful fit for us and a free agent to be).

      What? Why would Boston ever agree to that? Also, your GSW trade in the other thread (Lee-Speights-Barnes for Melo) GSW would never do (see here and here). Those guys on GSW have top-notch chemistry and basketball IQ and I don’t think they will part ways with any of their main guys like that.

    10. Is Rondo even that good? I know WP48 continues to love him because he is an undeniably great rebounder for a guard and he does rack up those assists, but I have not been impressed by what I’ve seen from him at all since he came back from the injury. He’s the assist equivalent of a volume scorer – the ball is constantly in his hands and he refuses to shoot. Combine those two things and it’s almost impossible not to put up decent assist totals. The teams he has been on have been consistently bad on offense, and as Tom Haberstoh tweeted this morning, they have now been better on offense with him off the court for 3 consecutive seasons. Having guards who can’t(or won’t) shoot just really gums up the offensive works and Rondo is one of the worst offenders out there. That’s without even putting any extra emphasis on shooting ability since we’re running the triangle where it’s probably the most important thing.

      He still gets a lot of credit as a big game player, and that may be true, but since the chances of the Knicks playing in any big games is essentially nil I wouldn’t worry about that too much. I see him as a good but not great PG, and in a league that’s absolutely stacked with good PGs I’m not sure he’s even in the top 12 or so anymore. And he brings the attitude and salary expectation of a star, not to mention that Danny Ainge will certainly be valuing him as such in any trade negotiations. Do not want.

    11. Also, your GSW trade in the other thread (Lee-Speights-Barnes for Melo) GSW would never do (see here and here). Those guys on GSW have top-notch chemistry and basketball IQ

      Lose one game in 6 weeks and immediately hit the panic button. Could happen!

    12. Just a few clarifications:

      – the Melo to GSW trade was just to spice things up. I definitely believe it could be interesting for both parties (do you realize GSW would have to send away a marginal starter – who has improved his defense, ok -, a guy who’s not playing and is on the books for this year and next for lots of money and a good third big man whose actual production is quite unsustainable for the foreseeable future for one of the three best pure scorers of the NBA? and that all of those GSW assets are instead much more desirable for us, since we are rebuilding and would like more cap space two years from now?). I also definitely do not think it could happen now. But down the stretch, when GSW will be 30-12 or something like that (and remember, Golden State has no way to improve its roster in the offseason, so why not go all in)? Anyway, get that trade out of your mind if it bothers you so much.
      – I thought it was clear that my Bargs-for-Rondo was not a feasible trade, and was just a metaphor to say “we don’t need Rondo”.

      Please guys, stop treating me as if I was Bill Simmons, ok? :)

    13. Golden State has no way to improve its roster in the offseason, so why not go all in

      You were born to be a Knick fan!

      I’d say that allowing their young players to continue to develop is a way to improve the roster. Their core is very young.

      Also, Carmelo Anthony is the antithesis of everything they do there. They are a fast-paced, ball sharing, defensive team.

      (And, re:Speights, as Bogut’s backup he is way more important than you think. Also, advance stat guys were very high on him coming out of college. I wouldn’t say his production is unsustainable. When he’s gotten extended minutes this year he’s put up huge numbers this year).

    14. That’s actually pretty awful methodology, I’m surprised Nate Silver would publish such a thing. It’s pretty much the odds of every team winning a title if rosters stay exactly the same way they are now for the next 5 years.

    15. Yeah that methodology is so simplistic that in the end it doesn’t really add anything to the conversation other than some not very helpful precision. I’d wager you’d have a good chance of bettering those estimates off the cuff, since you could account for things like injuries, future free agency, etc. that the model is ignoring. My impression is that articles with insights like “The good teams, particularly those with young players and superstars are the most likely to win a championship in the next five years” is the reason fivethirtyeight has been such a disappointment so far.

    16. @9 – I was trying to answer a question for which there’s no real answer yet and that was, if we had the first pick, who would we pick. The top 2 players on draft boards are Okafor and Mudiay. Obviously any scouting was based on all-star high school games because this is Okafor’s freshman year and it would have been Mudiay’s. You can tell a lot from videos about either player, like when the player Mudiay’s guarding blows by him or he drives the baseline, gets doubled and forces up the shot rather than pass to a clearly open big driving the lane, or when Okafor clangs free throw after free throw or gets posterized.

      My conclusion, after watching some of the scouting reports, is that there’s no “all-time great” coming out in 2015. There are some nice pieces but not much more than that.

    17. Anyone notice Phil on Twitter defending the Dallas trade:

      “I’m okay with the Dallas deal. Tyson fits there and our 3 players, Jose, Sam, and Shane are on the court…our season got off to a rock start-injuries-Tyson could not have changed the outcome. Trades are judged in 4-5 year terms…remember how Pop et al complained about the Pau trade? How does that trade look now? Just relax…and be patient.”

      If the real reason for the trade was to get rid of Felton’s out year or because Melo didn’t like Chandler and you wanted to resign him, I get that you don’t want to say that on Twitter. But why respond at all with some bizarre Shane Larkin-will-be-Marc-Gasol-allusion even though we basically forward waived him? I mean, everyone else in the trade will be out of the league in five years. And what’s with the injury excuse?? I know it’s early, but I’m at least inching toward the exits on Phil already.

    18. When the best thing you can say about the guys you got back in a trade is “they are on the court” that pretty much says it all right there. “Take that Dallas! Shane is on the court! Bet you’re feeling pretty dumb right now, huh?”

    19. Okay, so we have “Shane is on the court and you never know which one of our 2nd round picks might become Marc Gasol”. Fantastic.

    20. Okay, so we have “Shane is on the court and you never know which one of our 2nd round picks might become Marc Gasol”. Fantastic.

      Marc Gasol was a 2nd round pick, so it’s not all that far-fetched. Right? Right??!!

    21. And Phil isn’t mentioning that he didn’t pick up Larkin’s option so Larkin is basically gone after this season. The trade comes down to Tyson for Calderon, who’s 33 years old and has two more years at $7M+ per year, Early, and Thanasis.

      We gave up more than that for Bargnani.

    22. Judging by how “meh” Calderon has been so far, the Chandler trade was a mistake by Phil. But we weren’t going to be good this year anyway (we would be way better, though) so it doesn’t matter. I don’t like Calderon’s contract though.

    23. Should the knicks take on Gerald Wallace contract if they can swap JR’s contract, add Wright, and maybe a future second rounder?

    24. Should the knicks take on Gerald Wallace contract if they can swap JR’s contract, add Wright, and maybe a future second rounder?

      Good God no.

      And regarding the Chandler trade, we could have gotten more for him is about the only mistake Phil made. Trading him was the right decision because we were gonna lose him at the end of this season anyway, and it’s not like we’d be contenders even if he were in T1000 mode. At least we got something for him, but it could have been more probably.

      If we were actually in contention or Chandler was likely to resign here, trading him to dump Felton would have been a colossal mistake. But we’re not, nor was he resigning. We traded him for pennies on the dollar, but better than than nothing at all I suppose.

    25. But why respond at all with some bizarre Shane Larkin-will-be-Marc-Gasol-allusion even though we basically forward waived him?

      You’re all reading this tweet way too literally. He’s more saying, “it’s hard to judge a trade after only 3 months,” not that this trade is a literal repeat of the Gasol trade. And I agree with that.

      The trade looks bad now, but if we bottom out sans Chandler and get a top pick it already starts to look better (assuming that had we kept Chandler we would’ve been a fringe playoff team). We probably weren’t keeping Chandler past this season anyway. I’m not saying that it was Phil’s intention to tank by trading Chandler, but he’s right that it’s still early to pass judgement on the move.

    26. The issue is that it sure looks like the reason he traded him was more about this year than the future (Felton was bad for the team culture and Chandler didn’t fit his system while Calderon fits the system well). And I’m a bit put off by the idea of dumping Chandler because he doesn’t fit your system. If the system doesn’t have room for a player like Tyson Chandler, then maybe you should be altering the system.

      I think that Jackson should be given a little more criticism over his expectations for this season, as his moves seemed to be made with the intention of competing for a playoff spot this year and if that’s the case, then he made a mistake in judging how good this roster was (so did I, by the way, I thought the loss of Woodson and the gain of Calderon would offset the loss of Chandler, so that while they wouldn’t be a good team, they wouldn’t be one of the worst teams in the league – so I’m right there with you, Jackson, I’ll accept that I made a mistake, you should, too!).

      In other words, if the Knicks actually do end up with a top three pick, that’s a great result, but not one that Jackson planned for, so I’m not going to give him credit for it.

    27. Rondo deal done.

      Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder, Jameer Nelson, a 2015 first-round draft pick and a future second-rounder for Rondo.

      That’s a fair deal for both teams. I’ll give Jackson this much, I don’t believe the Mavericks were allowed to trade their 2015 pick at the time of the Chandler deal, so I can’t knock the Knicks for not getting it.

    28. I wonder if Boston tries to flip Wright. I imagine Boston doesn’t want to pay him next year so why not trade him to GS, LAC, Cle, or whomever?

    29. The Knicks do not have their own second round draft pick until 2020!!!! And I bet even that’s only because they aren’t allowed to deal it yet. This organization is so dumb.

    30. I still have reservations about how Rondo will work with Ellis and crew but Carlisle is a coach that could figure it out

    31. Risky move for Dallas. Wright and Tyson are similar right down to being injury prone, and they’re pretty thin on the bench now

    32. Very intriguing trade as far as the Western conference landscape looks now. It will be interesting to see how the Rondo/Ellis (Rellis? Elldo? Anyone?) works, but Carlise would be licking his lips with a staring 5 of Rondo, Ellis, Parsons, Dirk and Chandler.

    33. This opens up a lot of possibilities. Rondo and Parsons in True Detective 3 with Ray Ray as the irritated desk lieutenant? This Cuban/Morey war is really fun. The Mavericks a pretty fragile, though. Lots of age and injury risk. Need some luck to stay in fifth gear.

    34. Giving up Wright was definitely risky, but…

      A. He was going to be a free agent at the end of the season, so they could have lost him after this year anyways
      B. Their point guard play was awful

      And that’s about it. If Wright was signed long term, I doubt they make the move.

    35. And as to whether the Celtics should now flip Wright again, I agree that they should definitely be trying to do just that. I forget what the rules are, though, for when you can trade a guy you just traded for. Isn’t there some sort of one month stay on trading a guy again or something like that?

    36. I’m eager to see how a mediocre shooting/pass first/assist padding PG does when paired with a mediocre shooting big who can’t create his own shot (because iso-Chandler would be so much better than whatever it is he does to generate actually efficient points) who is pretty much only capable of scoring when fed by a decent passing PG.

      I predict Chandler will have the most 20/20 games this year…if he survives the additional minutes he’ll likely have to log.

    37. I imagine that that PnR combo is exactly why Dallas is willing to get a guy who can’t shoot at all, so would seemingly otherwise be a poor fit for their offense (where they like all of their non-centers to be able to shoot from long distance).

    38. I forget what the rules are, though, for when you can trade a guy you just traded for. Isn’t there some sort of one month stay on trading a guy again or something like that?

      Idk, I remember Rasheed Wallace going from Portland to ATl to Detroit but that was the old CBA.

    39. two months edit: that’s only if they were using a trade exception, actually, so I think no wait.

    40. If you run a pick and roll with Rondo and Chandler, doesn’t the defense just sag on Chandler and dare Rondo to shoot? Not sure how effective that combo will be.

      Plus, they’re a mediocre defensive team at best, I’m not sure how far that offense will carry them in the playoffs. Their ceiling is probably the Suns of the late 2000’s, who could never get past the Spurs or the Lakers.

    41. “Anyhow, who gives a shit about this stupid trade: Cole is starting tonight people.”

      This could be Jeremy Lin II. Colesanity!

    42. If you run a pick and roll with Rondo and Chandler, doesn’t the defense just sag on Chandler and dare Rondo to shoot? Not sure how effective that combo will be.

      Oh sure, if Rondo continues to shoot this poorly, then it won’t work. I doubt he’ll continue to be this historically bad from outside. And I’m sure Carlisle believes he can help there. All he has to do is shoot at a typical Kidd level (32% from three) and he’ll protect the PnR.

      Plus, they’re a mediocre defensive team at best, I’m not sure how far that offense will carry them in the playoffs. Their ceiling is probably the Suns of the late 2000’s, who could never get past the Spurs or the Lakers.

      They’re a poor defensive team that just added a great defender. That’s a good thing, no?

    43. They’re a poor defensive team that just added a great defender. That’s a good thing, no?

      Well, Cole is really only a great defender in relation to the other front court players we have.

    44. They (mavs) just became a great team. But it still feels like too much. Tough to articulate. It’s a weird situation. Celtics make out pretty good for the time being. Though I dunno what their ultimate goal is. Plus I’m a Jameer homer because I graduated from St Joes in 04. Always thought he would have been serviceable for us after Howard left him.

    45. They’re a poor defensive team that just added a great defender

      Rondo is in no way shape or form a great defender at this point. He gives 0 fucks on that end. You can argue that if and when he dials it back up to playoff Rondo that the defense will return, but I think simply calling him a great defender like it’s obvious is wrong. He does rebound though.

    46. Risky move for Dallas. Wright and Tyson are similar right down to being injury prone, and they’re pretty thin on the bench now

      They’re very thin, but I guess you could say that in a sense they were already all in on Tyson’s health. They weren’t making a real run in the brutal West playoffs without full T1000-mode for 35+ minutes a night. The downside if he gets hurt is definitely lower now, but I think you can make the case that it’s basically now they just get swept in the first round instead of lose in 5 in the first round if they still had Wright, so a chance worth taking. I don’t love the trade for Dallas, but that’s my argument in favor of it.

    47. I think he’s a great defender who just hasn’t given a fuck since the Pierce/KG trade.

      It’s definitely reasonable to believe this, but there is the pesky matter that he tore his ACL since the last time we saw fully engaged, awesome Rondo. Are we sure that mode still exists?

    48. As long as Tyson doesn’t develop one of his mysterious illnesses or have to face Hibbert in the playoffs, Dallas should be fine.

    49. This deal might make the Mavs worse in the regular season while giving them a better chance to win a title

    50. This deal might make the Mavs worse in the regular season while giving them a better chance to win a title

      It probably will knock their offense down from being possibly the greatest offense ever.

    51. As the current #7 seed, I don’t know if sacrificing regular season for post-season is all that smart. Especially with OKC on the way up the ladder behind them. Phoenix, New Orleans, Sacramento are all formidable 8 seeds too. Mavs are an injury away from the lottery (perhaps what Boston is banking on?)

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