Knicks Morning News (2014.12.16)

  • [New York Post] Family blames MSG ejection for one-legged Nets fan’s death (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 04:54:12 -0500)

    The one-legged Brooklyn Nets super fan ejected from a game for allegedly whacking people with his prosthetic leg killed himself because he was tormented with nightmares from the incident, a…

  • [New York Daily News] Walmart’s Carmelo Anthony doll a dead ringer for Jeremy Lin (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:43:44 GMT)

    Kids who had that Carmelo Anthony plush toy on their wish list better hope Santa doesn’t do his shopping at Walmart.

  • [New York Times] Spanish Women Shine in Dark Year for Men (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:52:14 GMT)

    In a year when the men’s soccer and basketball teams flopped on the biggest stage and Rafa Nadal’s season was wrecked by injury and illness, it was the women who helped protect Spain’s reputation as a nation of sporting excellence.

  • [New York Times] Blazers Defeat Short-Handed Spurs 108-95 (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 06:58:13 GMT)

    Portland was dealt a tough blow in what should have been a straightforward win against short-handed San Antonio.

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Monday’s NBA Games (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 06:46:22 GMT)

    Highlights of Monday’s National Basketball Association games:

  • [New York Times] Griffin, Jordan Lead Clippers Over Pistons 113-91 (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 06:31:17 GMT)

    Blake Griffin scored 18 points, DeAndre Jordan had 16 points and 15 rebounds, and the Los Angeles Clippers breezed to a 113-99 victory over the Detroit Pistons on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Forward Parker Suffers Knee Injury in Suns Encounter (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:28:14 GMT)

    Highly regarded Milwaukee Bucks rookie Jabari Parker suffered a left knee sprain and had to be carried off the court during his team’s 96-94 win over the Phoenix Suns on Monday.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Sacramento Kings Fire Their Coach (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:17:56 GMT)

    Michael Malone, who was 39-67 with the Kings, was dismissed 24 games into his second season with the team.

  • [New York Times] Middleton’s Late Shot Helps Bucks Beat Suns 96-94 (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:16:25 GMT)

    Khris Middleton hit a 3-pointer at the buzzer, giving the Milwaukee Bucks a 96-94 win over the Phoenix Suns Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Monday’s NBA Games (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 04:01:09 GMT)

    Highlights of Monday’s National Basketball Association games:

  • [New York Times] Horford Scores 21, Leads Hawks Past Bulls 93-86 (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:31:20 GMT)

    Al Horford scored 21 points, including a huge jumper with just under a minute remaining, and the streaking Atlanta Hawks won for the 10th time in 11 games with a 93-86 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Stuckey Leads Pacers Over Lakers 110-91 (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:07:22 GMT)

    Rodney Stuckey scored 20 points and grabbed 10 rebounds to lead Indiana over the Los Angeles Lakers 110-91 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Williams, Lowry Lead Raptors Past Magic (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:04:21 GMT)

    Lou Williams scored 18 points, Kyle Lowry had 17 and the Toronto Raptors won their 10th straight game over the Orlando Magic, 95-82 Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Olynyk Scores 30 in Celtics’ 105-87 Win Over 76ers (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:55:25 GMT)

    Kelly Olynyk scored a career-high 30 points, leading the Boston Celtics to a 105-87 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] James, Love Lead Cavaliers Over Hornets 97-88 (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:40:26 GMT)

    LeBron James scored 27 points with 13 assists, Kevin Love added 22 points and 18 rebounds, and the Cleveland Cavaliers defeated the Charlotte Hornets 97-88 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Injuries, Illness and Rest Leave Knicks Scrambling Just to Work Out (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:34:08 GMT)

    A team with a long list of concerns to address — and a 5-21 record — has six players unable to take the court for practice.

  • [New York Times] Struggling Kings Fire Head Coach Malone (Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:16:22 GMT)

    The Sacramento Kings have fired head coach Mike Malone, the struggling National Basketball Association team said on Monday.

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    37 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.12.16)”

    1. Not that I think it’s necessarily MSG’s fault. It’s just that it’s something much bigger than every stupid thing we obsess about.

    2. Given his recent shenanigans, I think Ranadivè will have the NBA cornered on female players sooner than Cuban, so why not let our Knicks be a trend setter for once by signing a bunch of women? I suggest this Italian one: Valentina Vignali.

      (She is for real a basketball player for a lower division team here in Italy – and a model, yes. Feel free to Google her)

    3. Eh, I think the Nets fan incident is unfortunate, but coincidental or the behavior and pulling off his prosthetic leg was an indicator of a deeper issue. But there is no money in that and it is not nice to look at yourself first for your woes before looking elsewhere, so ….

    4. I love that our team is so devoid both of quality players and the means to get them, and yet when a good one like Lance Stephenson comes along KB thinks we should pass in favor of better character players.

      Please please no Lance Stephenson, the guy is a flat out knucklehead

      ^ Right, because we’re better off sticking with JR & Timmy. They’re not knuckleheads.

      Unibrow seems like a pretty boring guy (a la Tim Duncan) but I’ll take boring over stupid any day of the week.

      ^ Shit, good call. I hadn’t thought of trading Bargnani’s expiring contract for Anthony Davis. That’s a much better idea than acquiring Lance Stephenson. I stand corrected.

      More high character guys, not less please.

      ^ I don’t disagree. And if you find a high character wing player who is solid on both sides of the ball who we can acquire with the zero assets that we have to offer, please let Phil Jackson know.

      I’d prefer the knicks bring back Starbury and Isiah rather than Lance Stephonson. He’s a jerk.

      ^ Did he steal your pudding? Did it bother you to cheer for Jason Kidd as much when we were winning 54 games? The man is a c**t of a person but he could play.

      didn’t we also once trade for some coach-choker named Sprewell once upon a time?

      ^ The Infamous Cdiggy speaks wisdon.

      If we could get Lance for JR & Jason Smith (and that’s a better deal for Charlotte than having to give up their first round pick to Indiana to unload him), that’s a steal and I can’t see any argument against. Worst case scenario: he fails, we stink this year, we get a better draft pick, and he’s gone after next season (it’s a short contract he’s on; two years + an option).

    5. ^ Did he steal your pudding? Did it bother you to cheer for Jason Kidd as much when we were winning 54 games? The man is a c**t of a person but he could play.

      That year, our locker room was pretty solid. No shit to be run past the likes of Sheed, Kurt Thomas, Camby, Tyson and K-Mart. Yeah sure they were old and probably did more coaching than Woody that year, but that vet presence to stabilize the locker room is invaluable. We have nothing CLOSE to that this year or ever since that season and bringing Lance with no one to keep him in check is a bad idea I think, even with a digestible contract.

    6. I could get on board with Lance. He’s a solid rebounding wing, good passer, relatively low turnovers. He’s not the most efficient scorer, but not a dumpster fire there if he can get back to shooting threes at his career average (which still isn’t particularly good, but much better than the 16%!!!! he’s shooting now). He has a reasonable contract, and is a perfect buy low candidate. Of course we have a rookie coach, a locker room that is already fracturing and no solid veteran leadership on the team, so I could see why Phil would have no interest. We’ll see.

    7. By the way, how about Charlotte? Just when you think they are getting things together, they have a young core that is coming off a playoff birth, they sign a good player to a reasonable contract and now they panic and are looking to dump him not even halfway through the season. And the Pacers, who made no effort to resign the guy and now are looking to get him back a few months later in a panic. At least the Knicks aren’t the only poorly run franchise in the NBA. It’s full of them!

    8. I for one am against trading for Lance. And yes, his behaviour is what scares me away. But I’ll try to elaborate some more.

      If it was a choice between JR and Lance, I’d 100% agree to take Lance. He’s much younger, he’s at least equally talented, he can contribute in more areas and their contracts have the same length (last year of Lance is not guaranteed; JR is a lock to opt in if still in New York); still, I don’t think it’s a choice between those two. I think we need to be focused on the long-term plan. And the long-term plan is to ditch bad players and uncoachable players, but not if they are on expiring contracts. That’s why I strongly advocate sending JR to some team that won’t send anything back (well, a 2nd rounder would be nice, but that’s all). We need to get rid of him asap without encumbering ourselves with heavy psychological burdens. We need to stop thinking about “talent” and “potential” and we need to focus on “fit” and “character” (obviously there needs to be a talent-floor requirement that has to be met). Sadly, this year we don’t have the tools to do major moves. So I’d be happy watching a JR-less team (and a Jason Smith-less team), but possibly a Lance-less team. I liked his production in Indy, but you can’t deny he’s got more crazy genes than a bumbling team could absorbe. Sprewell was a great acquisition for us, but he came here when we had something resembling a foundation. Now we have nothing apart from a great scorer who’s been badly used, a feisty old backup PG, a good scorer who won’t be around next-year and is a defensive problem and a young guy who could or could not be a useful rotation guy. That’s all we have now (Calderon seems to be lost already).

    9. Stephenson is a knucklehead and has only played well last year (which was a contract year, fwiw). This offseason there are many good FAs. Marc Gasol is carrying the Grizzlies to the elite in the west, and i think we can agree that Melo is much better than Zach Randolph. Even if we do not get Gasol, we can get other of the good FAs, or use the cap space to facilitate trades and get assets from other teams.

      Taking Lance Stephenson gets in the way of all this; i don’t think he is worth the risk (Well, i it would be OK if it is a JR Smith + Tim Hardaway Jr for Lance Stephenson, since we keep max money for the FA, don’t give up any picks, and dont increase the number of knuckleheads in our team)

    10. By the way, how about Charlotte? Just when you think they are getting things together, they have a young core that is coming off a playoff birth, they sign a good player to a reasonable contract and now they panic and are looking to dump him not even halfway through the season. And the Pacers, who made no effort to resign the guy and now are looking to get him back a few months later in a panic. At least the Knicks aren’t the only poorly run franchise in the NBA. It’s full of them!

      You have to remember that

      – Charlotte is owned by MJ. I guess every single employee does things in fear of his psycho attitude. The Marvin Williams signing made absolutely no sense. If you swap Marvin Williams for Josh McRoberts, this team is hovering around .500 this season too (McBob made the team run smoother with his passing from the elbow and passable post defense).
      – Indiana can buy low on a guy they know. I don’t believe the theory that they kicked Lance out. I believe they made an half-assed attempt banking on some growth from Paul George. That said, I didn’t understand a single move by them in the offseason apart from the CJ Miles acquisition.

    11. we can agree that Melo is much better than Zach Randolph

      On paper, yes. But if I was Memphis I probably wouldn’t take Melo over Randolph right now.

    12. Indiana can buy low on a guy they know. I don’t believe the theory that they kicked Lance out

      But they have to have been able to resign him for the money Charlotte gave him, right? Why was it not a good idea in the offseason, but it’s ok now? It really makes no sense.

    13. Depends on what they have to send to Charlotte. If they could agree on a Scola + Hill for Lance + Bismack, why not?

      Edit: amazingly, Hollinger’s analysis suggests both teams would be worse after that trade.

    14. If JR and Lance were on the same team, do you think the knuckleheadedness would be so extreme that it would cancel out and become a sane basketball machine. 1+1=5 lol. I think it would work. I know i say crazy shit and this is probably just another one haha

    15. If they could agree on a Scola + Hill for Lance + Bismack, why not?

      Oh, absolutely. I’m not saying they shouldn’t trade for Lance, I’m just saying, if they want him on the team, why wouldn’t they have just resigned him? It strikes me as a panic move because they are mediocre without Paul George. Whatever reasons they had for not resigning him should still be the case.

      Speaking of Biyombo, I would love to see him on the Knicks next year. His rebounding and blocked shots are just crazy good this season and last. He may be an offensive zero, but he could be game-changing to this defense, and I’m sure he will be cheap.

    16. If JR and Lance were on the same team, do you think the knuckleheadedness would be so extreme that it would cancel out and become a sane basketball machine. 1+1=5 lol. I think it would work. I know i say crazy shit and this is probably just another one haha

      If JR and Lance were on the Knicks, the knuckleheadedness would be so extreme that Phil Jackson would start eating vaseline.

    17. I’d be in favor of taking a shot on Lance. It’s a risk because of his behavior for sure, but it’s a risk with real tangible upside – 9M per year is a tremendous bargain for the kind of production Lance showed himself capable of last year. Plus the reasonableness of the contract really mitigates the downside of the deal. If it goes up in flames, well 9M burned over the next two years isn’t really the end of the world. That’s the kind of money I think it’s going to take to resign Shump and what Lance did last year is 10x better than anything Shump has shown himself capable of. He’s still really young (doesn’t turn 25 for 9 months), and Phil has been known for his ability to get through to headcases so I think he could maybe work the same voodoo Bird used to mostly keep Lance under control. As long as we’re getting him at what would be effectively a negative cost (meaning they’re sending us a 1st rounder or taking back some deadweight) I think it’s a chance worth taking.

    18. That year, our locker room was pretty solid. No shit to be run past the likes of Sheed, Kurt Thomas, Camby, Tyson and K-Mart. Yeah sure they were old and probably did more coaching than Woody that year, but that vet presence to stabilize the locker room is invaluable. We have nothing CLOSE to that this year or ever since that season and bringing Lance with no one to keep him in check is a bad idea I think, even with a digestible contract.

      This is a fair point.

      But we’re not talking about only this year. Maybe he runs amok this year, so what? Our star player and a second year jackass allegedly exchanged threats on the court last week. How much worse can it get?

      Ideally, next year, when we’re trying to rebuild with our free agency money, we can bring in guys who can reign him in. You can get the knucklehead first and then get the veterans later.

      I would just get in any good player I can at this point.

    19. Other than Rodman what headcases can Phil be said to have gotten through to? or is Rodman enough lol

    20. Oh, and this high character mission we’re on, a) when did that become the priority? and b) isn’t that what led to us giving away Tyson Chandler?

    21. Other than Rodman what headcases can Phil be said to have gotten through to? or is Rodman enough lol

      You remember young Kobe?

    22. Other than Rodman what headcases can Phil be said to have gotten through to? or is Rodman enough lol

      Kobe and Artest were the other two I was thinking of.

    23. About Indy and Lance…

      1. They didn’t lose Lance because they didn’t want him, they lost him because they didn’t want him enough in his mind. It’s a silly thing that routinely comes up when teams try to re-sign their own free agents, where they “disrespect” a guy by offering him less than he thinks he deserves, so he signs somewhere else for even less money. It happened to the Yankees with Bobby Abreu, Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon. All three signed elsewhere for less money than they would have gotten from the Yankees, but all of their Yankee offers were for paycuts from their last Yankee salary and that was too disrespectful for them to accept. The Pacers’ last offer to Lance was for 5 years/$44 million. He signed with Charlotte for 3 years/$27 million.

      2. They lost Lance before Paul George got hurt. Isn’t that alone a decent reason to be more willing to take him on?

      But most importantly,

      3. They’re only in on him now because Charlotte is so desperate to get rid of him that Indiana is holding out for a first round draft pick along with Lance.

    24. I’m just saying, if they want him on the team, why wouldn’t they have just resigned him?

      From the reports in the news, they are only willing to take Lance back if Charlotte throws in a 1st round pick. In fact, they were reportedly asking for two #1’s from the beginning.

    25. Kobe and Artest were the other two I was thinking of.

      Now that I think of it Odom too. I guess I was fixated on the original Bulls team. So what is it about the Knicks that makes people lose their touch (yes I know it’s twenty games). Larry Brown was the point guard whisperer who could get through to Iverson, but with the Knicks pfft.

    26. The Pacers’ last offer to Lance was for 5 years/$44 million.

      Ah, ok. I had it in my mind that they didn’t make an offer at all. That would be a pretty amazing result if they can get Lance and a 1st rounder for scrap, then.

    27. Missed your post, BC. You pretty much nailed it.

      It reminds me of when Cashman was negotiating Jeter’s last contract and was quoted as saying something like: how much higher than the next best offer to I have to be for it to not be considered disrespectful?

    28. Jordan punched Steve Kerr in the face during one of Jackson’s practices.

      Pippen refused to go into game 3 because Phil drew up a play for Kokoc.

      Shaq left LA because of personality conflicts.

      Phil gets credit for getting personalities to mesh, but that’s just a narrative to help explain his 11 rings. (If he’d been the one to tell Spree to put mustard on his passes, he too would have ended up in the hospital that day.)

    29. If we sign Lance, we will get incrementally better this year, just enough to lose all of our meaningful lotto balls, and the locker room will go full black hole, creating a disaster of an environment for Operation Trick Free Agents 2015.

    30. Now that I think of it Odom too. I guess I was fixated on the original Bulls team.

      Let’s not forget about Andrew Bynum. When you think about it, that 2010 championship team had Bynum, Artest, Odom, Kobe all playing huge roles…

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