Knicks Morning News (2014.12.15)

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks have another rough ending, fall to tough Raptors (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:29:39 EST)

    The Knicks had a chance to beat a quality team and record their first two-game winning streak in six weeks, but it became a missed opportunity because of so many missed opportunities.

  • [New York Newsday] Raptors adjusting on the fly without DeMar DeRozan (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:01:05 EST)

    Leave it to a basketball team from hockey's heartland to learn how to change on the fly. The Raptors have had no choice but to adapt in a hurry after star DeMar DeRozan went down with a serious leg injury late last month.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Melo: We're beating ourselves (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:41:19 EDT)

    NEW YORK –- The New York Knicks found themselves in yet another close game with numerous opportunities to take the win.And yet again, the Knicks squandered those precious opportunities. This time, they missed seven of eight shots in overtime to drop a 95-90 loss to the Toronto Raptors.The Knicks (5-21) came close to upsetting the top team in the Eastern Conference, but in the end, Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks came away with yet another frustrating loss.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks waste effort and fall to Raptors in overtime, 95-90 (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:12:14 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks seemed to get their wish on Sunday as the offense was less triangle and more pick-and-roll and isolations.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Fisher says players more focused on future (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:29:15 GMT)

    Derek Fisher’s job of developing the Knicks into a cohesive unit has been compromised.

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: Bargnani’s absence still a big riddle (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:05:56 GMT)

    It has become something of a dramedy in 26 acts, a Beckett play, “Waiting for Bargnani.”

  • [New York Times] Kobe Talks About the Fire Needed to Catch Jordan (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:34:30 GMT)

    All these years, Kobe Bryant has been chasing Michael Jordan.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Kings Fire Coach Michael Malone (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:28:24 GMT)

    The Sacramento Kings fired coach Michael Malone late Sunday night just 24 games into his second season with the team.

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Sunday’s NBA Games (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:34:17 GMT)

    Highlights of Sunday’s National Basketball Association games.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Kobe Bryant Passes Michael Jordan and Leads Lakers to Win (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:30:08 GMT)

    Bryant moved into third place on the N.B.A. list for points in a career, finishing with 26 on Sunday to help the Lakers beat the Timberwolves.

  • [New York Times] Raptors 95, Knicks 90, overtime: Tim Hardaway Jr. and Knicks Step Up, but Fall in Overtime (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:18:24 GMT)

    Without J. R. Smith, the Knicks were able to put up a strong fight against the Raptors but lost after missing their first seven shots in the extra period.

  • [New York Times] Bryant Passes Jordan for Third in All-Time Scoring (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:07:17 GMT)

    – Kobe Bryant eclipsed Michael Jordan on the National Basketball Association’s all-time scoring list on Sunday, surpassing the legendary scorer during the second quarter of the Los Angeles Lakers’ game at the Minnesota Timberwolves.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Surpasses Jordan, Lakers Beat Timberwolves (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:04:28 GMT)

    Kobe Bryant has shot more than 11,000 free throws in his NBA career. He has been at the line in critical moments with championships hanging in the balance.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Bounce Back for 99-91 Win Over Nuggets (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:04:26 GMT)

    Kawhi Leonard scored 18 points and the San Antonio beat the banged-up Denver Nuggets 99-91 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] NBA Leading Point-Scorers (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:46:17 GMT)

    The all-time scoring list in the National Basketball Association after the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant scored 26 points on Sunday to move past Michael Jordan into third place:

  • [New York Times] Lowry Carries Raptors Past Knicks, 95-90 in OT (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:40:27 GMT)

    Kyle Lowry had 21 points and 11 assists, controlling the overtime period and leading the Toronto Raptors to a 95-90 victory over the New York Knicks on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Westbrook, Durant Lead Thunder Over Suns 112-88 (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 02:46:25 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook had 28 points, eight assists and eight rebounds, Kevin Durant added 23 points and eight rebounds and the Oklahoma City Thunder won its sixth straight game, beating the Phoenix Suns 112-88 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Curry Lifts Warriors Past Pelicans 128-122 in OT (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 02:13:24 GMT)

    Stephen Curry scored eight of his 34 points in overtime, and the Golden State Warriors won their 16th straight, 128-122 over the New Orleans Pelicans on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Colorful Nets Fan Is Gravely Injured in Fall From Building (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:50:02 GMT)

    Jeffrey Vanchiro, 38, who has gained widespread attention as a colorful and outspoken fan of the Nets, was not expected to survive after falling from a second-story window in Flushing, Queens.

  • [New York Times] Dunleavy Scores 22 to Help Bulls Beat Heat 93-75 (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:37:25 GMT)

    Mike Dunleavy scored 22 points and the Chicago Bulls overcame a sloppy start Sunday to beat the offensively inept Miami Heat, 93-75.

  • [New York Times] Wizards Overcome Sluggish Start, Top Jazz 93-84 (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:28:26 GMT)

    John Wall had 16 points, eight assists and six rebounds, and the Washington Wizards overcame a sluggish start Sunday night to put away the slumping Utah Jazz, 93-84.

  • [New York Times] Bryant Passes Jordan for 3rd on Scoring List (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:13:26 GMT)

    Kobe Bryant has reached rarefied air.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Game of the Week: Thunder at Warriors (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:31:07 GMT)

    Oklahoma City, in a precarious situation because of injuries to its stars, is going to have to steal some wins from the Western Conference’s best, a tier that includes Golden State.

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ J.R. Smith sidelined by heel pain for third straight game (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 02:44:37 -0500)

    On Wednesday and Friday, J.R. Smith sat out with what was considered a bruised left heel. On Saturday, it was announced he actually had a small, partial tear of the…

  • [New York Post] The expensive, inactive asset who began the Knicks’ downfall (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 02:17:23 -0500)

    Blame Andrea Bargnani. Why not? There's no one else left. The Knicks faced the Raptors Sunday night — which reminded everyone Bargnani is still on the roster, still stealing James…

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    25 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.12.15)”

    1. Tanking or not ,the formula for long-term success in general, for a non-contending team should be:

      1. Play your top players as few minutes as necessary.
      2. Acquire picks. Many. Most do not pan out, but the few that do are cheap, energetic, and worth it. There is probably no other way to have higher-salaried great players than to have underpaid good players.
      3. Drop/trade all others.

      Unfortunately, we have almost no one that is not #3.

      And unfortunately, we have no idea what Phil is planning until preseason next year.

    2. I think you gotta move Hardaway. He is probably the only player on the team whose perceived value is higher than his actual value. Well, him and Melo.

    3. “I think you gotta move Hardaway. ”
      Isn’t giving up on a young guy before we find out what his upside is just the kind of thing that people have been complaining about on this site for the last few years? I’m not sure whether he will ever develop into “starter on a playoff team” level but I think that he has a real good chance of becoming “instant offense off the bench for 12-15 minutes a night.” Isn’t that a useful guy for the Knicks to have on a cheap rookie deal for the next few years? (Plus, I like that he got to the foul line 9 times on a night that his shot wasn’t falling.)

    4. I really feel for Bargnani. The Knicks are 5-20 without him playing a single minute, and he gets stories written like the one in the Post referred to above, where he’s blamed for everything. He’s not a player fans wanted to come to the Knicks, but it wasn’t his decision either.

    5. First I have a question: what the hell is really goin on in Sacramento??!!
      Second..the only Knicks I wouldn’t make available in a trade are Calderon, Early, and Shump. Everyone else is expendable. If the team had gotten off to a better start, then it would be a different story. But the fact we have a 1st time coach, 1st time GM, installation of a new system, cap room, and our own 1st rounder in what looks to be a really good draft- all makes now a great time to consider moving guys who were thought untouchable. Even Melo. Yes Melo. Had Melo kept his “Chicago was a perfect fit” line to himself, and had there not been reports of teammates saying the team’s best player was not playing team ball along with the subsequent friction in the locker room, I wouldn’t consider trading Melo. Also, it’s December. The only players who look like they are assimilating well are Calderon and Shump. Early is a rookie and can be molded. Larkin and Prigs look ok, as does Melo and STAT. My only issue with Melo is the fact he is not trusting the ball movement. The triangle is set up so that ball movement finds the best shot with the best matchup..usually on the weakside. Jordan got the ball back. Kobe is the exception with him being so shot happy, but he won with Shaq and then Gasol and Bynum. All levels of talent that Melo doesn’t have on the team. Especially when u have a guy like Calderon as the lead guard- you hafta let the ball movement within the system to your advantage. Instead- Melo takes quite a few quick shots. Guys get frustrated and develop the gym mentality. U know- the “this guy is taking all the shots so dammit imma get mine” mentality. Therefore Shump is taking shots that he shouldn’t. JR is..well..he’s just JR. TH2 takes bad shots. STAT doesn’t get enough. Calderon’s fingerprints are not on the offense. It’s excruciatingly painful to watch….

    6. All Melo has to do is completely buy in and show that he trusts his guys. Nothing to lose this season- but everything to gain by doing that. And who knows- things might just get easier for him. But he thinks that he has to do more. He still has STAT, Calderon, Shump, JR, and TH2 to help him score. He has Acy and Cole and apparently STAT, even Larkin as well to help him rebound. He has Shump, Dalembert, Cole, Acy, and Prigs to help him defend. He has Calderon, TH2, JR, Prigs, Jason Smith, and STAT to open up the floor. Yes, I know- not GREAT options..but how do you know how valuable they are if you don’t let them show you? If you don’t trust the system and coaching to put them in spots that maximize their effectiveness? That’s my point. Besides, if he tries to do too much individually with so little to gain this season, things will go way sour really fast. I’m not suggesting that he shouldn’t play hard. I just want him to use his teammates in this system more. If he gets hurt and we’re stuck with that contract, things will not end well.

    7. “The only players who look like they are assimilating well are Calderon and Shump.”
      You been watching Shump play the last 15 games or so?

    8. No one on this roster is untouchable, not in the right deal at least. Of course, we fucked up the only two moves that would have mattered when we traded Tyson Chandler for 33 year old Jose Calderon and two 2nd round picks and when we didn’t S&T Melo to Chicago for some combination of Butler, Mirotic, two 2014 1st round picks, and Boozer’s expiring contract.

    9. You been watching Shump play the last 15 games or so?

      Yes. Shump has definitely regressed. But he too has fallen victim to the gym mentality. I think that’s a big reason why his effectiveness has fallen off a cliff. He’s no longer playing within the system or as aggressively within the system as he was when everyone was excited about the system. But when he’s attacking the rim, knocking down open shots and defending consistently he is an amazing fit. But let’s be honest…anything more than 12ppg 5 rpg 4 apg and 1.5 spg is too much to be expected. We need him to be a little closer to Lance Stephenson with the way he effects the game in other areas. I don’t think Shump should be asked to score more. If he can get to the rim and draw fouls, make open shots, and move without the ball I’d be tickled with his performance. The reason I like his fit is because 12-5-4-1.5 should be easy for him. He’s too talented and he’s our best on ball defender. As a matter of fact I would probably keep Acy as a combo forward/defensive sparkplug off of the bench as well.

    10. Shumpert is an athletic 3&D player who cannot make his layups in traffic, and is not really all that great on D. And doesn’t hit his threes that well (34% this year, up from 33% last year!). He is -8.2 this season, TS at 0.484, and has 0.033 WS/36.

      If you take a good look, he’s not that good, and hasn’t progressed in his three years. We can do better in free agency.

    11. And I hate talk of “the one player I wouldn’t trade,” etc. Every player is worth something, so if you think you are getting better with a trade, regardless of how well this player has played, or how much hope you have for him, you better make that trade.

      Also, there are lateral trades that make your team better: give up all our offensive players for a couple of hard-nosed defensive players, although the players may be worse, your TEAM may be better.

    12. Along those lines, another dilemma the knicks face is the instability of the roster. Large scale turnover of players year after year is disadvantageous, regardless of the talent level.

      Without giving it much thought, I’d have to think the knicks are in one of the worst positions of any team, going forward. Pathetic.

    13. Without giving it much thought, I’d have to think the knicks are in one of the worst positions of any team, going forward. Pathetic.

      Not that the Knicks are in great shape going forward, but have you thought about the Nets?

    14. @14 Landry is not good at anything on the court. Thats a problem.

      Benching JR would be a PR disaster and a HUGE distraction. Landry? Not so much. Besides- if he truly has gotten as bad as it looks, having Landry would give Fish an excuse to see if Thanny can show something. Wear gets burn even after Phil said that he’s got to play in the D League first. Thanny has been playing there so he has to have some sort of growth right? At the very least he can be a decent wing defender

    15. Not that the Knicks are in great shape going forward, but have you thought about the Nets?

      True, but the Nets are going to make the playoffs this season (and go nowhere), and although in a less advantageous position going forward, I have more faith in the much maligned Billy King than the front office of the knicks.
      On the other hand, there’s something more desirable being at the bottom and knowing for certain that wholesale changes are coming, than being an 8th seed that goes nowhere, and deeming the season a mild success.

    16. I’d rather take a patient, calculating look at our roster, and make large – scale roster changes as we’re currently doing, than whatever it is the Nets are doing. Giving away draft picks into the 2020’s is insane.

      Who do we envision staying with us next year, anyway?
      I think we keep Melo, Calderon, Prigioni, TH2, Cole, and Acy.
      Amare and Shump may stay for a discount.
      And the rest get traded or given up.
      That’s two starters staying. Sheesh.

    17. “I think you gotta move Hardaway. ”
      Isn’t giving up on a young guy before we find out what his upside is just the kind of thing that people have been complaining about on this site for the last few years? I’m not sure whether he will ever develop into “starter on a playoff team” level but I think that he has a real good chance of becoming “instant offense off the bench for 12-15 minutes a night.” Isn’t that a useful guy for the Knicks to have on a cheap rookie deal for the next few years? (Plus, I like that he got to the foul line 9 times on a night that his shot wasn’t falling.)

      I totally agree with this. I’d much rather we trade Shump (and JR if possible) and see what THJ can do in 30+ minutes a night. Shump has had his chances to develop and has failed year after year. He’s out of excuses at this point and with free agency coming up he’s out of time also. THJ still has cost controlled years left and has definitely shown enough isolated positives for you to dream on some more (he even looked a little frisky on D last night…in between losing his man for open 3s, but still). If we’re going to be one of the worst teams in the league lets at least try to develop the few young assets we do have.

    18. Also I don’t know if anyone read the Woj article about the Kings mess but it always gives me comfort to read about other (i.e. non-Dolan) owners who are dunces as well. Only seems fair to let Dolan compete against other people who are as short-sighted and ignorant of what they don’t know as he is. If the Kings are actually crazy enough to try this defend with 4 people thing though they will be appointment viewing if nothing else. It won’t work, but it will be the most interesting thing tried in the NBA in god knows how long.

    19. I just tried this on the trade machine; it was the only deal I could get to match. And I had to stop after a while to throw up when I saw that Noah, Gasol and Butler combined make less than melo. Forgive me, but the thought of him leaving is the only thing keeping me mildly interested.

      melo, Acy, Cole for
      Noah, Mirotic and Dunleavy

    20. On a break, no Knick drives to the hoop, always a half court game, that where Timmy comes in who drives plus still on cheap salary.

    21. Shane Larkin needs to see more minutes. His energy level and paired with his quickness on both ends of the floor really open things up for this team. He is young, and he plays with a lot of hesitation which makes him make some mistakes. But when he is playing hard and attacking good things happen. Not saying he’s the answer, but he certainly would be an improvement.

    22. The issue is that Larkin has no future with the Knicks, so why bother developing him? He almost literally cannot be re-signed if he is any good (not unless the Knicks want to use their cap room on him, and it’d be extremely difficult to believe he’d ever become that good).

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