Knicks Morning News (2014.11.18)

  • [New York Times] Brady Heslip’s 78 Points in 2 Games Give Him Hope of Reaching N.B.A. (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:00:02 GMT)

    Playing for the Reno Bighorns, Brady Heslip has been scoring 1.4 points per minute in a barrage of 3-pointers, but he has his eye on the N.B.A.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Beat Clippers 105-89; Go to 6-0 on Road (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 07:15:06 GMT)

    Taj Gibson stole the ball from Jamal Crawford and passed to Jimmy Butler, who sank a 17-footer, got fouled and made the free throw with two-tenths of a second left in first half.

  • [New York Times] Conley Scores 19 as Grizzlies Rout Rockets 119-93 (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:22:33 GMT)

    For a night, the Houston Rockets’ new defensive mindset was blown up completely, leading to a blowout by the Memphis Grizzlies.

  • [New York Times] Trail Blazers Rally for 102-93 Win Over Pelicans (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 05:44:57 GMT)

    Damian Lillard scored 24 points, including a tiebreaking 3-pointer with 1:14 left, and the Portland Trail Blazers rallied for a 102-93 victory over the New Orleans Pelicans on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Kings Protest Grizzlies’ Buzzer Beater (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 05:10:46 GMT)

    Sacramento is protesting last Thursday’s loss at Memphis, saying the Grizzlies’ winning shot should not have counted.

  • [New York Times] Heat 95, Nets 83: In Sea of New Faces, Nets Run Aground Against the Heat (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 05:07:53 GMT)

    The Heat came out on top in a game between teams that have changed a great deal from when they met in the conference semifinals last season.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Cavs’ Streak Is Broken as Nuggets Pull Away (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 04:58:12 GMT)

    Ty Lawson scored 24 points, Arron Afflalo added 23 and Denver ended Cleveland’s four-game winning streak with a 106-97 victory.

  • [New York Times] Lawson, Afflalo Lead Nuggets Past Cavaliers 106-97 (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 04:21:01 GMT)

    LeBron James began the day by missing the morning shootaround because of a cold. A loss to the struggling Denver Nuggets didn’t make him feel any better.

  • [New York Times] Bonner Scores 18, Spurs Beat 76ers 100-75 (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 04:18:06 GMT)

    Matt Bonner had 18 points and the San Antonio Spurs Big Three got some rest, handing the Philadelphia 76ers a 100-75 loss — their 10 straight loss to open the season — on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Morris, Suns Pull Out 118-114 Win Over Celtics (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:26:58 GMT)

    Markieff Morris scored a career-high 30 points and Eric Bledsoe had a key steal and breakaway dunk in the closing minute to lift the Phoenix Suns to a 118-114 victory over the Boston Celtics on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Cruise Past Hornets 107-80 (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:18:17 GMT)

    Dirk Nowitzki takes a lot of pride in his most recent milestone.

  • [New York Times] Chalmers Helps Heat Top Nets, End 3-Game Skid (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:18:14 GMT)

    Mario Chalmers scored 22 points, Chris Bosh ended his shooting slump and added 15 points and nine rebounds, and the Miami Heat snapped a three-game losing streak by beating the Brooklyn Nets 95-83 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Vucevic, Harris Lead Magic Over Pistons 107-93 (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:06:18 GMT)

    Tobias Harris scored 14 of his 24 points in the fourth quarter as the Orlando Magic pulled away late to beat the Detroit Pistons 107-93 Monday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Raymond Felton could make Mavericks debut against Knicks (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:25:34 GMT)

    Raymond Felton is expected to begin serving his four-game suspension on Monday, which would make him available to face the Knicks next Wednesday.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Phil Jackson gets credit but Derek Fisher takes blame (Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:22:43 GMT)

    The toughest part about being Derek Fisher is that the losses count against your career record while players, fans and even media have a tendency to connect the wins to Phil Jackson’s legacy.

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    14 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.11.18)”

    1. Would anybody consider this?
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mk7qaen

      I would even throw Shump in, especially if it meant keeping our 1st rounder in ’15. I see it as a win for both teams. An aging yet productive Kobe who knows the triangle as the second option- or even 1st option- it doesn’t matter because Melo. Even better- Kobe listens to Fish and Phil. Bargs and Dalembert still comes off the books. For LA, Kobe’s contract is gone for next season- allowing them to keep their likely lottery pick and become a major player in free agency. I guess the question would be, is Bargs and Dalembert coming off the books enough? More importantly- would LA do it? I probably should have looked into next season cap implications for the Knicks before trying this trade though.

    2. That trade would take the knicks off the 2015 FA market. Kobe is playing at a nice level, but he is 36, and the SG position is the one we have most depth (and youth). The only reason for the knicks to do this is if Phil Jackson thinks the 2015 FA class is weak, and it is much better to wait for Durant in 2016. Then, the Knicks would rather keep JR Smith and trade Shump for assets, since he is due to get paid next summer.

      Overall, i don’t like the trade. The knicks would be a little better this year, but it would make 2015 another transition year.

    3. Just checking here, we’re talking about the same Kobe whose team has a 103.7 ORtg when he’s on the floor and 113.7 when he’s off, and whose opponents have a 122.1 ORtg when he’s on the floor and a 104.3 ORtg when he’s off? The Kobe with a TS% of .481?

      Kobe isn’t playing at a nice level this year. He’s awful. He’s one of the very worst defensive players in the league (seriously he’s worse than THJ and I am not exaggerating when I say that), and offensively he’s effectively trolling his teammates. Yes, those teammates stink, but even bad NBA players are still NBA players – they’re still good enough that playing with them in a real system is a lot better than just ignoring them and pretending it’s 1 on 5. Kobe has been downright awful this year from a production standpoint.

      If you want to make the case that he looks okay physically (he does as long as you’re willing to ignore the defensive end) and that all of the bad stuff – the total indifference to playing defense and the willfull disrespecting of teammates and the beyond selfish offensive play will be cured by seeing Phil and Fish again, then make that case. But lets at least start by recognizing that Kobe has been tragically awful so far this year.

    4. Yeah, it might make sense to take Kobe for a spin if he was making like 5 million and we were swapping him for, say, JR. Probably not, but at the money he’s making that trade would be a disaster. Kobe is not very good. He’s an asshole. He’s a big time injury risk, and he’s massively overpaid.

    5. There’s no fucking reason to give up assets for a dude that’s clearly just gunning to get up the scoring charts as fast as he can before he has to call it quits. You certainly shouldn’t be giving up any assets beyond Amar’e Stoudemire’s expiring contract for the privilege anyways and if you really want him that bad you can just wait for the summer and offer to just absorb his ridiculous contract with our cap space. None of those sound very appealing so maybe let’s just not fucking repeat the same shit of acquiring overpaid, aging, malcontent stars in the hopes they suddenly turn back the clock.

    6. Calderon + Stoudemire or Bargnani for Kobe straight up isn’t a bad trade for the Knicks, as it punts the cap space to 2016, which is what they should be looking to do anyway. But I don’t think the Lakers would do it, as they would want assets for Kobe, not just relief, so there’s really not a good trade there to be had.

      Maybe if a team like Cleveland feels that they want Kobe, the Knicks can get it on it for salary purposes and pick up some good players by renting their 2015 cap space. That could potentially work for all teams involved, but I think it’s too early for something like that to even be discussed.

    7. Would anybody consider this?
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mk7qaen

      You guys are looking at this the wrong way. I gotta believe Phil understands the players on the Knicks are really misfit, uni-talented players that can never win anything because the offensive players suck at defense and the defensive players suck at offense and few are good distributors, rebounders, etc. He’s gotta know he has to break it all the way down.

      Melo is a unique offensive talent, but so were Alex English and Dominique Wilkens. They almost never win anything. Shumpert isn’t worth what he will command on the open market. Everyone else is expendable.

      Phil had to resign Melo as he couldn’t let his only asset walk for bupkis. I believe he’s going to go to Melo and say, “This isn’t working, I’m going to break it all the way down…. you want to go to LA and play with Kobe?” Randall, and the 15, 17 and 19 #1’s plus Jordan Hill and the corpse of Nash. Jim Buss just might be on “Guitar Jimmy Tilt” watching his awful team play to empty buildings while the paper clips excel.

      Someone on the cusp of championship dreams and needs a back up point /knockdown shooter like Calderon for a #1 at the deadline. Shumpert will have value to a playoff team at the deadline even as a rental. Trade off everyone for any possible asset and tank. Keep Early and Thannis and sell everything else.

      Then let Phil go shopping in the draft and pick the FA’s entering their prime at the right time, not try to piecemeal build a club around Melo with a very good player exiting his prime like Gasol.

      Phil’s mentor was Holtzman who was first a scout. the great Knick teams were built in the draft and then added pieces that put them over the top.

    8. Re: trading for Kobe, I’ve mentioned this before. It’s not a terrible idea IF you don’t think Marc Gasol is ever coming here. But by executing that trade, you are effectively trading away any chance to sign a player, in Gasol, who is exactly what we need. The on court results would likely be worse than when Denver teamed up Melo and Allen Iverson. It would, however, probably be entertaining. It’s like sinking on the Titanic with the band playing or sinking on the Titanic without the band.

      However, you went in the totally wrong direction when you said you would think about throwing in Shumpert. You do this trade to get assets back from LA. You’re taking a shit load of money and a major problem off the Lakers’ hands next year, and you are essentially trading the right to participate in the 2015 free agent market to LA. For that we are entitled to extra assets.

      I wouldn’t even give them JR, seeing as having Kobe here next year makes dumping JR’s salary useless.

      Other potential aspects to this trade:

      – It may reduce the value of this year’s draft pick
      – It may prevent Melo from demanding a trade next year (which may or may not be good)

    9. Kobe sucks. We don’t have a draft pick in 16 because fucking Bargnani. The only person on this roster worth trading for Kobe is Melo, and even that would be dumb, because we could probably get a better package elsewhere.

    10. Cleanthony is done for a month or so after arthroscopic surgery on his knee later this week.

      I had no idea he was having knee issues. Hope it isn’t with Gallinari’s surgeon.

    11. Phil had to resign Melo as he couldn’t let his only asset walk for bupkis. I believe he’s going to go to Melo and say, “This isn’t working, I’m going to break it all the way down…. you want to go to LA and play with Kobe?” Randall, and the 15, 17 and 19 #1’s plus Jordan Hill and the corpse of Nash. Jim Buss just might be on “Guitar Jimmy Tilt” watching his awful team play to empty buildings while the paper clips excel.

      Even Jim Buss is smart enough to know that, with the NTC we gave Melo, there is no reason to give up Randle, Hill, and three #1’s for Melo.

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