Knicks Morning News (2014.11.17)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Amar’e Stoudemire feeling fresh after rest (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:33:15 GMT)

    Some might perceive Amar’e Stoudemire to be physically older than his 32 years, but the veteran forward received what he termed “a great birthday gift” on Sunday when he returned to action and the Knicks ended their seven-game slide with a convincing 109-93 win over Denver at the Garden.

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: A sharp J.R. Smith is good start for Knicks (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:18:14 GMT)

    On a good day, against a lousy opponent, this can still work. J.R. Smith can be the viable second option, force a defense to forget about Carmelo Anthony for a few minutes, and the Knicks can score in droves.

  • [New York Times] Rest Remains a Challenge for NBA Coaches, Players (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 08:42:01 GMT)

    Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr anxiously waited for the lineups to be announced before a game against the San Antonio Spurs last week, knowing as well as anybody that it’s a pivotal preparation point when facing Gregg Popovich’s team.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Game of the Week: Clippers at Heat (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 07:39:53 GMT)

    A meeting between Los Angeles and Miami may help show whether the early play of two of last season’s top teams is a good indicator of their playoff potential.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Beat Lakers 136-115 Despite Kobe’s 44 (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:47:57 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors got off to such a fast start, they gave Kobe Bryant no other choice but to keep shooting the ball to keep the Los Angeles Lakers within striking distance.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Bucks Knock Off Heat (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:49:32 GMT)

    Brandon Knight made three 3-pointers down the stretch and finished with 20 points, Jabari Parker scored 13 and the visiting Milwaukee Bucks downed the Miami Heat, 91-84, on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: A Major Trade Leaves Questions in Two Cities (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 04:02:20 GMT)

    The Knicks’ victory over Denver suggested that they were the clear winners of the Carmelo Anthony deal involving Danilo Gallinari, but Knicks fans should still question the long-term wisdom of the trade.

  • [New York Times] Harden Leads Rockets Past Thunder (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 03:08:58 GMT)

    James Harden scored 19 points, and the Houston Rockets beat the Oklahoma City Thunder 69-65 on Sunday night for their third consecutive victory.

  • [New York Times] Anthony and Smith Help Knicks Snap 7-Game Skid (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 02:09:09 GMT)

    One strong defensive quarter helped the New York Knicks end a seven-game skid.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Hold Off Struggling Heat, 91-84 (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:42:03 GMT)

    Brandon Knight made three 3-pointers down the stretch and scored 20 points, Jabari Parker scored 13 and the Milwaukee Bucks downed the slumping Miami Heat 91-84 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 109, Nuggets 93: Rolling With Changes, the Knicks Get a Win (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 00:45:52 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony and J. R. Smith scored 28 points each as the Knicks ended a seven-game losing streak against the hapless Nuggets.

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    32 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.11.17)”

    1. Bargnani may come back Saturday. Does this make the Knicks more or less entertaining?

      He probably takes Wear’s spot and some of Josh’s minutes.

    2. If true , this is stupid.

      “The Nuggets reportedly signed the forward to an offseason extension for public relations reasons and aren’t really enamored with him as a player.” I dont understand.

    3. Yeah that team is a mess. When Masai and Karl left the team was in a really strange place, with a weird mismash of a roster that wasn’t quite good enough to compete (although they could have been an intriguing dark horse the year Gallo tore up his knee – they were nigh unbeatable at home) but also wasn’t in rebuilding mode, and that had a lot of sort of similar players on midsize contracts. And unfortunately for them it seems like in getting rid of those two guys they got rid of the only two guys who really had a vision for where they were headed/how the pieces fit together and it really fell apart. I still feel like Shaw could make a fine coach somewhere but bringing in a conservative defensive coach to mix with that roster has been disastrous.

      The saving grace for them I think is that they’re still in a good spot to tear things down (which seems inevitable at this point). Lawson, Afflalo, Chandler, Gallo (still a believer once he knocks off the rust, although that may be mostly sentimentality) and Faried are all good enough in a vacuum to be starters/high impact bench players on the right playoff level team. And even guys like Nate, Mozgov, Foye and Arthur are the sort of spare parts that could bring back 2nd round picks I think. Basically it’s a roster rich in the type of role players that can be traded to good teams I think. Some of those guys have prohibitive contracts, but I still think if they start to tear things down they wouldn’t have too much trouble liquidating most of that roster and picking up a few picks along the way.

    4. The saving grace for them I think is that they’re still in a good spot to tear things down (which seems inevitable at this point). Lawson, Afflalo, Chandler, Gallo (still a believer once he knocks off the rust, although that may be mostly sentimentality) and Faried are all good enough in a vacuum to be starters/high impact bench players on the right playoff level team. And even guys like Nate, Mozgov, Foye and Arthur are the sort of spare parts that could bring back 2nd round picks I think. Basically it’s a roster rich in the type of role players that can be traded to good teams I think. Some of those guys have prohibitive contracts, but I still think if they start to tear things down they wouldn’t have too much trouble liquidating most of that roster and picking up a few picks along the way.

      The thing about Gallo is that he easily could just be done, Penny Hardaway/Eddie Jones style. But it is true that Lou Williams looked similarly finished last season and this year he looks back to normal, so maybe he really does need, like, a year to recover. But I dunno, I really do fear the worst for Gallo and that he is just finished as a top NBA player.

    5. Yeah, it’s undeniable that he has looked really bad so far, but after such a long layoff I think he could just be really rusty and everybody comes back from injuries slightly differently. The fact that he’s shooting horribly on 3s and long 2s is sort of a good sign in a way because that smacks more of rust than of a guy struggling with his body to me. On the downside his rim attempts have plummeted and he’s not finishing when he does get there, which definitely isn’t a good sign. It’s early though.

      But you’re certainly right that part of my evaluation of him is just affection based on his time here. Realistically they’d have a hard time moving him now. I think (hope?) he’ll bounce back – even if his athleticism never comes all of the way back I still think he’d naturally evolve into a very good role player – he’s smart, great shooter, willing defender, versatile positionally, but they’d probably have to wait until he proves himself before dealing him. For now he could probably go in the dead weight category.

    6. Oh, I love me some Gallo for sure, but that knee injury was so dramatic that I just fear that we’ll never see old school Gallo again – the guy who could beat you at the rim as well as away from it while playing underrated defense. Like Penny Hardaway, I believe he’s smart enough that he’ll stick around in the league in a supporting role, but I think that the odds are good that that is “all” that he will be going forward (quotes because “an NBA player” is still a pretty high level of play for anyone).

    7. Wait, I thought the great Masai Ujiri fleeced us for all of our valuable assets in the Melo trade, and set the Nuggets up to be title contenders for years to come? And then to add insult to injury, forced us to part with the great Timofey “Wilt” Mozgov to make the deal happen? That may have been the final death knell for the Knicks organization.

    8. I know Gallo’s knee was way worse than your usual blow out, but general rule fro recovery is usually 1 year to recover, and another year to get back to pre-injury fitness, skill etc. I think he had some dud surgery too, which probably doesn’t help his cause.

    9. Wait, I thought the great Masai Ujiri fleeced us for all of our valuable assets in the Melo trade, and set the Nuggets up to be title contenders for years to come? And then to add insult to injury, forced us to part with the great Timofey “Wilt” Mozgov to make the deal happen? That may have been the final death knell for the Knicks organization.

      Ujiri was great in Denver. He took a good team, lost his best player and then made them into an even better team. One that had a legit shot at making the NBA Finals before Gallo’s injury. Then the ownership changed, he saw the writing on the wall and left to go to a new team – and then promptly took a shitty team and made them into one of the best teams in their conference in just two seasons. Ujiri is really, really good.

      That said, I’ve always felt (just look back to our discussions at the time of the deal here) that the Melo deal was more bad for the Knicks than it was good for the Nuggets. It was just impressive at how well he did in the trade with so little leverage. The deal was mostly about how awful the Knicks did in it. To be fair, though, it is unfair to give Ujiri all the credit as most of the credit/blame goes to Melo for refusing to commit to the Knicks, thus robbing the Knicks of their leverage.

    10. I know Gallo’s knee was way worse than your usual blow out, but general rule fro recovery is usually 1 year to recover, and another year to get back to pre-injury fitness, skill etc. I think he had some dud surgery too, which probably doesn’t help his cause.

      Yeah, the worst part was that he took all of that time just for them to say, “Oh yeah, you’re going to need another major surgery. Oopsies!”

    11. Gallinari hasn’t been a good shooter for years now. What made him such a tremendously effective player despite his diminishing ability to hit from outside was that he got to the rim and finished effectively. If he can’t really get to the rim anymore than he may be done as top level NBA player.

    12. We’ve rehashed the Melo deal a trillion times, but a) Denver was not making the NBA finals with or without Gallo and b) Melo did what every other free agent would have done in the same circumstances

    13. Gallinari hasn’t been a good shooter for years now.

      The year of the knee injury he shot 37% from 3 on over 5 attempts per game. That’s not a good shooter?

    14. The year of the knee injury he shot 37% from 3 on over 5 attempts per game. That’s not a good shooter?

      I meant to say great since that’s how you described him in your post @6 and no he hasn’t been a great shooter for years, even when he shot 37% from 3 for one season.

    15. Barring any serious injuries, Masai Ujiri’s Raptors will likely win 55+ games, and I’m taking them all the way to the EC Finals. Masai Ujiri, at least to me, has proven himself to be the best GM in the NBA not named RC Buford. The man takes dreck (see: post Ujiri Nuggets and pre Ujiri Raptors) and turns them not only into powerhouses in their conferences, but must see television without having a single max contract on his books. You have to give credit where it’s due, and if Toronto is smart, they’ll keep him around for as long as they can.

    16. I don’t know- I think Denver’s cupboard is pretty bare. Lawson is still owed 25.5 million after this year- maybe if a contender gets an injury at that position he’s movable but I don’t think you’ll get a lot of value for him- he’s a pretty average starter at a position of depth around the league. You can find guys like Chandler for next to nothing so why would anyone want to pay him 7m next year? Gallo’s worthless at the moment and given his salary/injury history I doubt he’ll have much value even if he gets healthy by the end of the season. I’m sure they could find a taker for Faried but now that he’s getting paid it’d probably be a lateral move at best. JaVale McGee with another year left at 12m? I think you could get a late first-rounder for Afflalo even with his player option for next year but nobody else on their roster is going to get them anything more than a second round pick.

    17. Chandler probably has some value around the league since the last year on his contract is non-guaranteed for $7.1m, but I do generally agree with you. I think if you look at the bigger contracts on that roster they aren’t extremely appealing, at least not currently.

    18. Watching Dallas/Charlotte and I have three thoughts:

      1) Dallas is good. Really good. They’re my dark horse in the West.

      2) Charlotte is also good, and if healthy could give the better teams in the East a fight in the playoffs. If they can steal one more player away from another team like they did Lance (I can’t stand the guy as a man, but there’s no denying he’s a helluva player) they’d be really good (at least as far as the East goes).

      3) I miss Tyson Chandler :(

    19. Sorry, I wasn’t trashing Ujiri, he’s a very smart GM and proving it again in Toronto. Just thought it was worth revisiting the Melo trade which hasn’t turned Denver into the perennial powerhouse many on this board thought they would be.

    20. This James Ennis kid sure can dunk with authority. Feels weird to root for someone in a Heat uniform, but here I am.

    21. That’s gotta be one of those games where he passed up lots of mid-range jumper opportunities to get that line, so we can’t be all like, “Wow! He made all 7 of his shot attempts!” and they also probably came on Jameer Assists.

    22. The Heat, losers of 3 straight including at home last night vs the Bucks, go into Brooklyn w/o Wade, Deng and McRoberts and win by 12. WTF.

    23. Cole Jowles, #1 WP48 Knicks Superstar
      November 17, 2014 at 8:44 pm
      That’s gotta be one of those games where he passed up lots of mid-range jumper opportunities to get that line, so we can’t be all like, “Wow! He made all 7 of his shot attempts!” and they also probably came on Jameer Assists.

      I was At the game I was literally thinking how excited is Jowles. But seriously he literally scored 6/7 baskets on alley oops and he hit one elbow jumper. Charlottes defense was terrible tonight….knicks like even. But yea tyson looks good when he tries

    24. I don’t know- I think Denver’s cupboard is pretty bare. Lawson is still owed 25.5 million after this year- maybe if a contender gets an injury at that position he’s movable but I don’t think you’ll get a lot of value for him- he’s a pretty average starter at a position of depth around the league. You can find guys like Chandler for next to nothing so why would anyone want to pay him 7m next year? Gallo’s worthless at the moment and given his salary/injury history I doubt he’ll have much value even if he gets healthy by the end of the season. I’m sure they could find a taker for Faried but now that he’s getting paid it’d probably be a lateral move at best. JaVale McGee with another year left at 12m? I think you could get a late first-rounder for Afflalo even with his player option for next year but nobody else on their roster is going to get them anything more than a second round pick.

      Just to make a last comment on this Nuggets thing, I wasn’t trying to say that their roster is stacked (they lost to the Knicks for goodness sake) or that they’d get a haul for any of those guys, just that I think they’re all reasonable pieces who could be moved. Other than JaVale they don’t have any guys who look untradeable (and even McGee people seem to think there might be a team dumb enough to take a shot on him), and in terms of where teams generally are when they decide to tear things down, that’s not half bad. If you had a bunch of good players on appealing contracts you probably wouldn’t need to rip up the roster in the first place, so being able to just hit the reset button is a fine outcome. They’re not going to get 3 first rounders back for any of those guys(or even all of them combined), but I think they could effectively clear their roster while picking up the occasional young player and pick without a ton of trouble.

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