Knicks Morning News (2014.11.15)

  • [New York Daily News] Melo hits clutch 3, but Jazz buzzer-beater sinks Knicks (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:36:37 GMT)

    The second-lowest scoring team in the NBA was without two of its top three offensive players before even one minute had elapsed. And even Carmelo Anthony’s first true scoring explosion of the season went for naught.

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: Derek is Fishing deep to find any Knicks positives (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:28:40 GMT)

    It’s part of the job description, maybe, written into the contract. There comes a time in the life of every frustrated-as-hell coach when he must babble positive nonsense in the face of continued adversity. Pollyanna in a suit and tie.

  • [New York Post] Kerr on spurning Knicks: My ‘heart’ was in Golden State (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:23:18 -0500)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — Steve Kerr came about as close to working under Phil Jackson as coach of the Knicks this spring as he could without actually accepting the job. But…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Iman Shumpert exits game with right hip injury (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:40:21 -0500)

    Better to sit Game 10 then miss 10 or more games later in the season. But as it turned out, sitting Amar'e Stoudemire for a recovery day was doubly tough…

  • [New York Post] World Peace details locker-room fight with slacking J.R. Smith (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:00:50 -0500)

    The 10-year anniversary of the Malice at the Palace is Wednesday, and Metta World Peace is commemorating it with a new book. But in promoting "The Untold Story of the…

  • [New York Post] Fisher bizarrely heaps praise on skidding, free-falling Knicks (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:28:07 -0500)

    Knicks coach Derek Fisher went Knute Rockne on the press corps Friday, getting all riled up after his team's 102-100 last-second loss to Utah. The Knicks again insulted the Garden…

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Fisher distances himself from Woodson (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:33:00 EDT)

    NEW YORK — The records may be similar, but Derek Fisher wants you to know something: this season’s New York Knicks team is nothing like last season’s. Fisher has made sure to distance himself from anything related to Mike Woodson’s disastrous 37-win team over the past few days, including Friday before the Knicks lost their seventh straight game. A few hours before the Knicks’ last-second loss to the Utah Jazz, Fisher stressed that he and his staff would hold players accountable –- something that wasn’t done consistently in the Woodson era.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Rout Lakers 93-80 for 3rd Straight Win (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:35:59 GMT)

    Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant chatted during a few breaks in play, taking a moment to savor one of their decreasing chances to run the same court.

  • [New York Times] James Scores 41, Cavaliers Edge Celtics 122-121 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:18:16 GMT)

    Cleveland’s third quarter was unacceptable to LeBron James. The fourth period was much better.

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Set Records, Beat Timberwolves 139-91 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 05:09:14 GMT)

    Jrue Holiday met virtually no resistance as he drove for what looked like an easy layup, but he chose instead to hurl the ball out to the perimeter, where Tyreke Evans drilled a 3-pointer.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Cavaliers Edge Celtics as James Scores 41 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 05:07:39 GMT)

    James scored a season-high 41 points, and the visiting Cleveland Cavaliers overcame a 19-point fourth-quarter deficit to beat the Boston Celtics, 122-121, on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Walker, Hornets Beat Suns 103-95 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 05:06:13 GMT)

    Kemba Walker scored 12 of his 19 points in the second half, and the Charlotte Hornets rallied to beat the Phoenix Suns 103-95 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Harden’s Late Shot Lifts Rockets Past 76ers, 88-87 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 05:00:09 GMT)

    The Houston Rockets were still feeling the effects of their Wednesday game in Mexico City on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Balanced Nuggets Rout Pacers 108-87 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 04:57:12 GMT)

    Ty Lawson thinks the Denver Nuggets got back on track on Friday night at Indiana.

  • [New York Times] James Scores 41, Cavaliers Edge Celtics 122-121 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 04:54:00 GMT)

    Cleveland’s third quarter was unacceptable to LeBron James. The fourth period was much better.

  • [New York Times] Jennings Leads Pistons to OT Win at Thunder (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 04:39:20 GMT)

    Brandon Jennings scored 25 of his 29 points in the second half and overtime, leading the Detroit Pistons to a 96-89 victory over the Oklahoma City Thunder on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] To Nets Coach Lionel Hollins, Scrappiness Counts (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 04:15:14 GMT)

    The Warriors’ 14 offensive boards and 19 second-chance points on Thursday left Hollins calling for more aggressive play from his team.

  • [New York Times] Jazz 102, Knicks 100: Knicks’ Hopes of Ending Skid Are Dashed at the Buzzer (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 04:08:33 GMT)

    Trey Burke’s jumper from the left corner at the buzzer lifted the Jazz over the Knicks, ruining a 46-point night from Carmelo Anthony.

  • [New York Times] Millsap, Horford Push Hawks Past Heat, 114-103 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 04:06:15 GMT)

    The Atlanta Hawks are doing what coach Mike Budenholzer expects of them defensively, and the effort is paying off.

  • [New York Times] Burke’s Shot Gives Jazz Win Over Anthony, Knicks (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:36:25 GMT)

    Trey Burke made a jumper from the corner as time expired, giving the Utah Jazz a thrilling 102-100 victory Friday night over the New York Knicks, who got an NBA season-high 46 points from Carmelo Anthony.

  • [New York Times] Harris Leads Magic Past Bucks 101-85 (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:54:02 GMT)

    Tobias Harris had 26 points and 10 rebounds to help the Orlando Magic beat the Milwaukee Bucks 101-85 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Will Other Leagues Join N.B.A.? Don’t Bet on It (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:07:48 GMT)

    Professional sports leagues that back the prohibition of betting on their games often tiptoe around their own opposition, but not all leagues have voiced a willingness to go as far as N.B.A. Commissioner Adam Silver.

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    39 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.11.15)”

    1. Another season down the drain. Seems to happen earlier every year.
      Fifteen friggin years of sucking.
      And finally, when we dig out from the Isiah era, clear cap space, and assemble a young roster that plays hard and is fun to watch, we make the Melo trade. I, and a few others here, screamed that it would be awful.
      And here we are, in full blow disaster mode. The roster sucks. The offense is lost. The defensive effort doesn’t exist. . . . and little hope going forward. Good thing we locked Melo into a five year max contract. After months of saying Melo should take less for the benefit of the team, Big Genius Triangle tied his fate to him with that awful contract. At least, when the knicks signed Amare and started winning, other free agents put the knicks back on their radar. And I wonder how much they all give a shit.
      Third worst record in the NBA. Sorry for the rant, but when is enough, enough?
      Boycott MSG.

    2. Not sure why people are so pissed off about last night. The Knicks played without 3 of their top 7 players (no, I’m not including Bargs) and had 2 rookies and 2 second year guys play 76 minutes and they almost pulled out a win. On the plus side, Melo seems to have rediscovered his fourth quarter mojo. On the minus side, I’m starting to figure out why half a dozen coaches haven’t give Cole much playing time.

    3. OK, Here’s ten things to be optimistic about if you’re a Knick fan.

      1. It does seem more democratic in terms of shot distribution. Last year the team looked pretty much the same on every possession. Option 1 was Melo on the block. Option 2 was the same as was option 3. Option 4 was JR on the block, as was option 5 and 6. I don’t think anyone else was allowed to shoot the ball. Oh I forgot, Felton was allowed to shoot the ball too and that happened all the time but I think that was only as a second option on any given play (Woodson was such a meta thinker out there!). So, when the play would break down “The Penguin” would be there to attempt the conversion.

      2. This year it seems like everyone is allowed to shoot. Even people who have no business at all trying it. Travis Wear, Quincy Acy, Robert Randolph… It’s almost like coach Fisher is trying to surprise opponents. This is a good idea. As coach Woodson found out, a high level of predictability is bad for an offense. The only problem is that players other than Melo have to “make” the shot. Just “shooting” isn’t quite enough.

      3. Players on other teams may become injured and those teams may hit the skids too, allowing us to perhaps get into the win column on a given night which might give us momentary illusions that we aren’t fans of the worst team in pro sports.

      4. Players we’ve traded may get hurt or punch their girlfriend or something which may make us feel better about the debacle of a deal that put us in this position.

      5. We actually have a first round pick this year and we could possibly draft our next franchise player. Or we could package it with Amar’e for Josh Smith at the traded deadline. Either way, watch your back LBJ!

      6. NBA players can “seem” really good. Like Andrea Bargnani. Hey, former first pick in the draft! He’ll give us a shot in the arm when he comes back. He’s just gotta get healthy. He’s been dinged up the past ten seasons.

    4. 7. Other teams may not be as good as they seem. Like Portland for example, what do they have that we don’t? Lillard? yes. Aldridge? OK. but what else? Batum, sure. Wes Matthews, yeah, yeah, yeah…OKOK Portland is great, but they also may not win a championship, JUST LIKE US!

      8. Maybe a third string player on our roster all of a sudden gets off the bench to deliver all star level play! Nah, forget it. When has that happened?

      9. Knickerblogger can be very entertaining when the team isn’t good. We’ve been seeing this for years.

      10. Light elicit substances can make an evening of subpar sports entertainment downright delightful.

    5. @hoolahoop

      I didn’t want to admit it for a while, but IMO the first mistake NY made was the Jared Jeffries trade. Two draft picks just to clear, what, like $6m in cap space. A great example of negotiating at a disadvantage, which cornered us the same way we corner ourselves every time — no draft pick meant no rebuild which made it really hard to not settle for Stoudemire in 2010 rather than remain committed to a steady, youth-based rebuild. The Anthony trade was *bound* to happen as soon as that McGrady trade happened.

      I’m still not sure what Jackson will do though. HE is a wild card. That gives me hope that he’ll be the first guy with the balls and cachet to just eat the debt the Knicks always seem to have, even if it means the entire media machine and James Dolan start scratching for his neck.

    6. I wonder if Cole might get competent with his post moves if he gets to try them more than four times a week. I know there is practice, but other than Dalembert are there any non-pathetic defenders to practice against? Why can’t we have a good team so I can wonder if the team could get to the Conference finals instead of having to ponder things such as this. smh

    7. the good thing about being a knick fan at this point is we get to see a lot of talented players across the league come in and play well.

    8. the good thing about being a knick fan at this point is we get to see a lot of talented players across the league come in and play well.

      They don’t even need to be talented! Every player in the league comes to the Garden to make a career night.

    9. It really is mind boggling, it’s not just mediocre players coming to MSG and playing like All-Stars, it’s slumping players who regain their shooting touch in one night. Trey Burke over his previous 5 games was shooting below 30% from 3 PT range and from 2 point range! So what does he do last night? 5-9 FG, 3-5 from the 3 point line, with a game winning fadeaway.

      I feel like opposing players are circling MSG dates on their calendars and adding a smiley face

    10. 1000 percent agree with johnno. Look at who played last night for the knicks. Hoolahoop the plan was for next year. You act like the knicks were supposed to be some juggernaut this year. And how are those players and the coach from the “fun to watch team” doing right now?

    11. the plan was for next year. You act like the knicks were supposed to be some juggernaut this year.

      @er
      It’s always about next year.
      I’ve been a knicks fan a long long time. This really was the mecca of basketball.
      Everybody can be a fan however they choose. I choose to not accept the BS excuses the suits serve us. I won’t give MSG my money, and I’ll voice my disgust for this ongong travesty as loud as I can.
      If you want to be support whatever they do, that’s your choice. But in my opinion, you give them license to continue on this dreadful path.

    12. Shades of Jon Abbey….

      Hard to disagree though. It is a disgrace.

      I don’t see it getting all that much better. Not sure people are lining up to play with Melo….

      Really, this is about the only upside I see in the situation….

      “9. Knickerblogger can be very entertaining when the team isn’t good. We’ve been seeing this for years.”

    13. Both Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher said several times before the season started that this is a process and could be ugly early. Now that it’s ugly early, it’s a “disgrace” and a “travesty”.

      Yup, time to throw up your hands and become a Brooklyn Nets fan, now there’s a team with a future.

    14. I too agree with Johnno. Before the season started almost no one on the board thought the Knicks would end the season at .500 or above, and that was without immediate injuries to key players. Statistically, lousy teams will almost always have significant losing streaks. So a streak like this was to be expected.

    15. I don’t mind us being bad but do we have to also be boring? We’ve got one of the greatest PnR guys in the history of the league in Amare who excelled at the 5. We’ve got a Nash-lite in Calderon soon (?) to return from injury. The Melo/Amare PnR had a very high PPP last season when it was sparingly used. We’ve got 3 guys who all are potentially 40%+ as spot-up 3 shooters (wasn’t JR 4th in catch-and-shoot last season). And speaking of JR, didn’t he win that 6th man award by driving to rim when KMart was at the 5? What does this scream out to you? SPREAD PnR OFFENSE!

      But noooo, we have to take the long view and begin to instill the values of Triangle. To which I reply Balderdash! Phil’s Triangle really needs a post-up/passing big man to work effectively. Implementing the Triangle without such a player is like baking a cake without flour – yeah, it can be done but it really doesn’t taste very good. I would argue it’s also counterproductive because the play in such a configuration would not have the proper flow so players will be executing it in name only and probably developing bad habits as a result.

      If Gasol or even Hibbert shows up here next season, then fine go with the Triangle. But it seems like such a waste of talent and potential to implement it this season. Offense was never our problem. Even through Woody’s moronic lineups we finished 11th in efficiency. Plug in Bargs for Amare in the above discussion and you had a plus lineup last season. And this season we defeated Cavs by ditching the Triangle. I think a lineup of Calderon/Shump/JR/Melo/Amare would give our opponents fits. C’mon Phil, simplify the offense for our talented but low BB IQ group of players.

    16. Right now I don’t know what to think about the future of The Knicks. On the one hand, we got Melo locked up for at least 2 more prime years. We have 36 million in cap space coming up (maybe more if JR can get his ish together and convince another team to give him a long term contract) and we have our draft pick this year, which if we do miss the playoffs could be a lottery pick.

      But then I think with rising salaries, 36 million gets you what, one all star and another really good player? And if we get Shump resigned that will eat into that. Melo is all ready 30 and can we convince 2 other elite players to come here? And then what? Fill out the roster with vet minimums? Part of me hopes Phil and Fisher go the route of signing 3 or 4 free agents for 8 million/yr each instead of blowing it all on Gasol and one other player. And that draft pick, while potentially nice, will take at least two seasons to develop, at which point Melo is now in year 4 of his contract. And then we don’t have our draft pick next year. So we have to get it right.

      I think we can turn this thing around starting this summer, but the margin for error is razor thin. All those lopsided trades to clear cap space in 2010 are really screwing us now.

    17. When thinking about the next 4 years for the Knicks to me its all about realistic expectations. The problem with almost everyone here is their plan wouldve meant the Knicks becoming a perennial 60 win championship contender. But since they re-signed Melo and made stupid trades a few years ago they are doomed.

      The day LeBron signed with the Heat (and subsequently returned to Cleveland) any dreams of the Knicks being the best team in the East were done. The best case scenario to me for the next 4 years is the Knicks being what they were in 2012-13, the 2nd best team in the East (winning 54 games in the process) with a puncher’s chance of making it to the NBA Finals. For almost everyone here that would mean a failure but to me shit I will gladly take a 3 or 4 year stretch of 50 win teams who hopefully win some playoff series. I see no reason why they cant do that considering they already proved they could put a team around Melo that was good enough to win 54 games while doing so with a crappy coach and a horrible defensive system.

      But again its all about what you consider to be a successful season or stretch of seasons. I want the Knicks to win it all as much as anyone but as has been pointed out many times before here the NBA is totally different from MLB and especially the NFL. Teams dont randomly win championships in the NBA. But teams can be very good for many years in a row and provide their fans with some fun moments even if winning a championship isnt one of them (the 1992-2000 Knicks for example). That is all I want, I would be thrilled with a stretch of 3 or 4 years of what we saw from this team in 2012-13 which I do believe can be achieved over the duration of Melo’s contract.

    18. I see no reason why they cant do that considering they already proved they could put a team around Melo that was good enough to win 54 games while doing so with a crappy coach and a horrible defensive system.

      You mean “they already proved they could put a team around Tyson Chandler.”

    19. @BBA

      How do you feel about basketball players who take the same approach to the game? I mean, it seems like what you’re saying is that the odds are too slim to win a title anyway, so we might as well not try. That’s sorta like when a guy doesn’t run back on defense. You know the thing he’s thinking is, “What are the chances that if I sprint back, it will actually affect whether the other team scores? They already have five steps on me.” What the player is thinking is true for that one play — it is very unlikely that if he runs back, it will matter, and even less likely that running back will affect the outcome of the game — but for all the plays like that across an entire season, those decisions add up to something substantial.

      So it’s easy to look at hte Knicks and look at the NBA and say, “Fuck it. They’re not winning a title anyway. Why don’t they just play for the short term and try to win as many games as they can?”

      But I think that you’re vastly overstating how difficult it is to be in the title mix.

      I don’t think anyone here thinks, “we need to be the favorite to win the title or else we should tank.” Most people who want a more committed rebuild only want to be able to dream about a title without feeling like morons. There are at least six teams in the league right now who can dream of winning a title this season: SAS, CLE, GSW, LAC, OKC, CHI. Houston is close to that group, and Toronto and Portland aren’t too far off.

      It’s not that crazy to think that the Knicks could be one of those teams if for once they stopped trying to take shortcuts. The appeal of NYC and Dolan’s deep pockets should be huge advantages if they are used properly.

      I mean, Lebron has two titles in ten years. He is not unstoppable. He’s also getting old. The teams that begin putting in place young, promising rosters right now are the ones that will peak just as Lebron is fading off.

    20. Of course THCJ, my bad I meant to say Tyson Chandler not Melo. Now they have to figure out a way to put a 50+ win team around Cole Aldrich :-)

    21. I’m not saying fuck it, who cares about winning a championship just put together a decent team and thats it. But again they won 54 games 2 seasons ago and were legitimately the 2nd best team in the East during the regular season but most people here downplayed how good they were and made it seem like it wasnt that big a deal because they didnt like the team or how it was put together. It turned out to be basically a fluke season and wasnt a sustainable formula but for that 1 season they were legitimately one of the better teams in the league but most people here still complained about the team and didnt seem to enjoy the success they had during that season.

      It just seems to me some people here dont really care about how good this team is or could become, they only care about doing it the “smart” way according to them. I dont give a shit how they do it I just wanna at least see some winning basketball like we saw a couple of seasons ago. But I dont think there is some special, 100% bulletproof formula that would make that happen and I dont know what this current front office will do in the off-season since its a brand new regime but I am willing to give them a couple of off-seasons to see what they do. Most people here are just assuming they will be unsuccessful like the previous front offices have been but I am willing to at least wait and see what Phil Jackson does and not just assume because he works for the Knicks now he automatically becomes an idiot.

      Although I admit DRed’s plan he just laid out would be fine with me lol.

    22. I just wish Dolan’s pockets were big enough to buy the Pelicans and contract them. Probably the only way we see dat Brow in orange and white….

    23. Phase 1: Get dat Brow
      Phase 2: ?????
      Phase 3: Rings

      It’s really pretty simple

      January 19, the Brow comes to the Garden. The entire Knickblogger community needs to get a block of seats and shower him with “MVP” chants. Maybe we can entice him into thinking about the legendary status he’d achieve if he brought a title to NY.

    24. Complained? Naw the correct term is bitched and moaned. The ephus “it’s a good time to big a knicks fan” was few and far between.

    25. The best case scenario to me for the next 4 years is the Knicks being what they were in 2012-13, the 2nd best team in the East (winning 54 games in the process) with a puncher’s chance of making it to the NBA Finals

      I think that ’12-’13 was an anomaly, though. And an illusion of sorts, too. It was pretty much the exact same roster as last year, playing the same bad defensive schemes. The East was particularly horrible that year, and the Knicks made an unsustainable amount of 3 pointers. And the weaknesses were exposed in the playoffs by a pretty mediocre team. If the ’12-’13 Knicks had been in the western conference, they probably wouldn’t have made the playoffs at all.

      If that is the best we can hope for over the next four years, give me what Sixers fans are having. Watching young guys lose is more fun than watching old guys lose.

    26. If that is the best we can hope for over the next four years, give me what Sixers fans are having. Watching young guys lose is more fun than watching old guys lose.

      The same way slamming your finger in a door is more fun than a root canal.

    27. This is what Im talking about, the 2012-13 Knicks wouldnt have made the playoffs in the West?? They went 17-13 vs the West that season. They swept the Spurs, won in OKC and went 3-1 vs the Heat. Call it a fluke or whatever you want but they were a legitimately good basketball team. They did take advantage of a weaker Eastern Conference that season but they did so by winning 54 games and having the 2nd best record in the East. They set an NBA record for most 3pters and had some great, fun wins during the season.

      I mean if a season like that is not worth enjoying and being somewhat proud of then I dunno what to say. Its like Yankee fans who complained all during the 2012 season because they hated the offense despite scoring the 2nd most runs in baseball and leading the majors in HR’s and OBP. Now all you hear Yankee fans complain about is the lack of HR’s and BB’s from the offense yet when they were the best in baseball at doing those things they hated the offense. Yankee fans though have a reason to act spoiled and complain about a team that “only” reaches the ALCS, Knick fans should be thrilled if their team wins 54 games lol.

    28. The same way slamming your finger in a door is more fun than a root canal.

      Actually, it’s the opposite. A root canal sucks, but it fixes the pain in the long run. Whereas slamming your finger in the door just hurts with no health benefit at all.

    29. Actually, it’s the opposite. A root canal sucks, but it fixes the pain in the long run. Whereas slamming your finger in the door just hurts with no health benefit at all.

      Mind. Blown.

    30. Most people here are just assuming they will be unsuccessful like the previous front offices have been but I am willing to at least wait and see what Phil Jackson does and not just assume because he works for the Knicks now he automatically becomes an idiot.

      It’s a Knicks blog man ha ha.

      Considering just about everyone here expected this team to suck this year, and most were smart enough to realise we were going to suck because it was a roster in flux under the leadership of a new front office and coach, I am not sure what the doom and gloom is really about. We’ve got a guy in the front office that (even though it only early days) has got a clear vision for what he wants for the roster going forward and a game plan. We’re about 10 games into the Phil Jackson ‘era’, so even though it’s clear we might not be great this year, let’s just chill a bit before we take to the streets.

    31. When Mike ran a poll to start the season, 92% (NINETY-TWO PERCENT) thought that the Knicks were going to win over 30 games. And 68% believed that the Knicks were going to win 35 games or more. So it seems weird to now say “We all knew they would suck this season.”

    32. Holy shit Brian. If you think winning >30 games is not sucking then you have been a NYK fan for too long.

    33. Yeah, but the Knicks are on pace to be 16-66. That’s a lot worse than even the most modest expectation for them, hence the “doom and gloom”.

      I don’t think they’ll stay this bad all year, but they lost to Orlando at home this week– a team that only had two other road wins dating back to last year, and both against the Sixers.

      We are a mere 1 game ahead of much maligned Phila “worst team ever?” Delphia in the standings.

    34. Yeah, but the Knicks are on pace to be 16-66. That’s a lot worse than even the most modest expectation for them, hence the “doom and gloom

      When the the knicks go on the usual 8 of 10 wins what are they on pace for

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