Knicks Morning News (2014.11.14)

  • [New York Times] Warriors 107, Nets 99: Klay Thompson Leads Warriors Past Nets (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:06:09 GMT)

    Thompson had 25 points as hot-shooting Golden State handed the Nets their second straight loss to open a three-game trip.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Snap 2-Game Skid, Beat Nets 107-99 (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:33:53 GMT)

    Klay Thompson scored 25 points, Draymond Green had 17 points, eight rebounds and seven assists, and the Golden State Warriors snapped a two-game losing streak by beating the Brooklyn Nets 107-99 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: N.B.A. Will Expand All-Star Ballot (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:54:37 GMT)

    The N.B.A. is expanding its All-Star ballot, which formerly included 60 players for each conference, to include all players.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Dallas Mavericks Thump Philadelphia 76ers (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:32:38 GMT)

    Dirk Nowitzki scored 21 points while playing only 20 minutes, and the host Dallas Mavericks had their largest victory ever, 123-70, over the Philadelphia 76ers.

  • [New York Times] Mavs Get Their Biggest Win Ever, 123-70 Over 76ers (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:18:48 GMT)

    The Dallas Mavericks had no need for another big comeback when playing the NBA’s only winless team.

  • [New York Times] Rose Hurts Hamstring, Bulls Beat Raptors 100-93 (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:12:59 GMT)

    Derrick Rose was in Chicago’s starting lineup for the second straight game. He finished it on the bench, nursing another leg injury.

  • [New York Times] LeBron on Social Media: You Have to Be Real (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 04:36:48 GMT)

    Even with almost 17 million followers on Twitter and nearly 22 million on Facebook, LeBron James didn’t hesitate when asked his preferred method of connecting with fans.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Coach Steve Kerr’s Style Is Molded by Many Mentors (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 04:13:41 GMT)

    Steve Kerr, who coaches the Warriors, has an approach that reflects many influences, like Lute Olson and Phil Jackson.

  • [New York Times] Lee Scores at Buzzer, Grizzlies Beat Kings 111-110 (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 04:09:55 GMT)

    Courtney Lee scored on a lob pass as time expired to cap a furious fourth-quarter rally, and the Memphis Grizzlies came from 26 points down to beat the Sacramento Kings 111-110 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Silver: Bring Sports Gambling Into the Sunlight (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:33:47 GMT)

    NBA Commissioner Adam Silver says it’s time for a new approach to betting on sports.

  • [New York Times] In Sharp Pivot for N.B.A., Commissioner Backs Sports Betting (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:18:38 GMT)

    In an article on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times, Adam Silver argued that laws governing sports gambling should be changed.

  • [New York Times] Sports of The Times: Taking Issue With the Grind of the N.B.A. Season (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 02:59:05 GMT)

    Michele Roberts, the leader of the league’s players union, addressed quality-of-life issues that affect players with strong opinions that prompted a response from Adam Silver, the N.B.A. commissioner.

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Knicks new regime still selling hope, not wins (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:48:56 GMT)

    Despite being one of the NBA’s perennial bottom feeders, the Knicks have led the league in selling hope. No matter it’s all been false — the better-days-are-coming shtick has kept James (Guitar Jimmy) Dolan’s crew relevant for years where it counts most — at the box office and in the TV/radio ratings department.

  • [New York Daily News] Derek Fisher: At least my Knicks own up to their mistakes (Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:39:28 GMT)

    Cheer up Knicks fans, things could be worse for your 2-7 team, says Derek Fisher — they could be the Knicks from the past few years. The rookie head coach, while trying paint a rosy picture of team unity on Thursday, curiously took a dig at past Knicks regimes.

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    49 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.11.14)”

    1. Starting with the Magic this past Wednesday, the Knicks start a six game stand against six of the worst teams in the NBA (non-Kobe division).These are games against teams that are rebuilding/outright tanking.

      They already gave up a freebie against Orlando, if they can’t finish better than 4-2 it’s pretty safe to stick that fork in them. Becuz if you can’t catch up ground playing against the losers cumming up next, then you sure as hell won’t be doing it when the real teams cum along… like the Nets.

    2. Spinning the wheel to see who gets tonight’s career high vs. the Knicks and the winner is……….

      Trey Burke! Last five games, FG% .283, tonight he gets his confidence back and goes for 28 points and 12 assists.

    3. Spinning the wheel to see who gets tonight’s career high vs. the Knicks and the winner is……….

      Trey Burke!

      Not Toure Murry?

    4. Wow did anyone see the Kings get hosed last night? The clock clearly didnt start until Courtney Lee released the ball. They have to replay the last .3 seconds the next time they play right?

    5. Um, this Michael Carter-Williams article on tanking (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/michael-carter-williams-dont-talk-to-me-about-tanking/) is great for just this line:

      If it’s a night game, you get home around midnight and your mind is racing. It’s almost impossible to sleep… Every guy in the league deals with losing in his own way. Some come home, turn on the Xbox and try to get revenge on NBA 2K. The vets might watch a movie with the kids or jump in the hyperbaric chamber. The more progressive guys are turning to meditation and yoga.

      Yeah, I’m sure that’s what most NBA players are doing at midnight after a game.

    6. Wow did anyone see the Kings get hosed last night? The clock clearly didnt start until Courtney Lee released the ball. They have to replay the last .3 seconds the next time they play right?

      Ha! I was JUST about to post the video, er, to see what people thought.

      http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11872807

      I think you’re right and the Kings got screwed.

      I don’t think that play is reviewable, though, and the Kings just got screwed like the Hornets did against the Knicks (where the five-second count was also not reviewable).

      The rule only is that a player can’t “secure possession” before attempting a shot. So basically catching the ball, setting himself and then shooting. The league says that that cannot be done in .3 seconds. However, catching the ball and laying it up? Nothing in the rules says you can’t do that in .3 seconds so even though the clock clearly didn’t start on time, it really doesn’t matter. Now if Hollins put his hands on the ball, that’s another matter. If he tipped it, the rules say that .3 seconds have to run off of the clock and thus the game would be over. But I don’t think you can prove that Hollins tipped it.

    7. I don’t think that play is reviewable, though, and the Kings just got screwed like the Hornets did against the Knicks (where the five-second count was also not reviewable).

      Hmm… what forgotten moment in Knicks history are you referring to here?

      EDIT: Never mind! You meant the Nov 2nd game which I missed while I was in Minnesota! My bad. Since it was you, I just assumed it was something from the 1993 second round playoff series.

    8. Inevitably the clock running at the end of the game is essentially random. The fact that there’s “.3 seconds” on the clock implies that there’s going to be a lot of precision in the estimate, but there just isn’t. There’s some guy sitting at the table (more than likely some old geezer who needs a new glasses prescription) who’s clicking a button. Yes, it seems fairly obvious that the shot there didn’t get taken in .3 seconds, but since the .3 seconds was itself determined by how fast or slow the clock got stopped in 100 other instances throughout the game it seems pretty tough to say the Kings got “screwed” really. The time on the clock is never a precise estimate, so expecting it to be in this case is just silly.

      It’s the same false precision that drives me nuts in football when the line judge runs in from the sideline, puts the ball down in some totally arbitrary location (since really who can say exactly where the ball was when the guy’s knee first touches the ground) and then they measure it down to the nearest centimeter to see if he picked up the 1st down.

    9. Last year’s draft was supposed to be such a great draft, and the 2015 draft was supposed to be a weak draft, but looking at the top prospects available right now, that may be completely backwards. I like the look of the top 5 or 6 players in the upcoming draft. You have the two good big men prospects in Jahlil Okafor and Karl Towns, promising wings like Kelly Oubre and Stanley Johnson who seem to be strong two-way players, PG mega-prospect Emmanuel Mudiay who is 6’5″ with great court vision and a pass-first mentality, bruiser PF Cliff Alexander who is a committed defender and rebounder…

      We’ll see how all these guys play during the NCAA season but I don’t buy the idea that 2015 is a weak draft class, especially compared to the supposedly great 2014 class.

    10. I have no idea how this class stacks up to last year’s class, but I know it’s better to have a lottery pick when you suck than to not have one at all. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    11. We’ll see how all these guys play during the NCAA season but I don’t buy the idea that 2015 is a weak draft class, especially compared to the supposedly great 2014 class.

      I’ll just say that it seems like the combination of overexposure of high school kids combined with the “stay one season” rule has made it so that every year there are people saying the prospects are good this time of year, followed by inevitable disappointment once the college season starts. These freshman come in with so much hype on them, dominating HS and putting out crazy mixtapes. They’re all the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then they get in the college game, and everyone gets reminded that it’s not that easy to adapt to the college game. Plus there’s the need of the draft-media complex to create a constant churn of their prospect ratings (Chad Ford can’t really justify putting out Mock Draft 11.6.ii.c only two weeks into the college season unless he has some DRAMATIC movement in the rankings to tell you about). So by the time the tournament rolls around everyone will be jaded about these prospects. Heck I remember posting on here the day after Kentucky won the 2012 championship and getting serious pushback on whether Anthony Davis was a real top NBA prospect(and he was a stud prospect).

      So what I’m really saying is give those guys all 25 or so college games to struggle with and I’m sure we’ll all be picking them apart every bit as much as last year’s class.

    12. People seriously argued that the Brow wasn’t a top prospect? That’s insane! He was one of the most heavily anticipated #1 picks ever!

    13. Yes, it seems fairly obvious that the shot there didn’t get taken in .3 seconds, but since the .3 seconds was itself determined by how fast or slow the clock got stopped in 100 other instances throughout the game it seems pretty tough to say the Kings got “screwed” really. The time on the clock is never a precise estimate, so expecting it to be in this case is just silly.

      Sorry, I must have been unclear. I don’t think they were screwed on the clock issue. I think they were screwed on the Hollins’ call. I think he tipped it. If he tipped it, game’s over. I agree that the timing shouldn’t really matter, since the league came up with rules for this very occasion (since they know the timer will never go off perfectly, they’ve just decided to say that with .3 seconds or less, you can’t shoot the ball, you have to lay it in or dunk it. Lee laid it in, so he’s fine. He just ran into a bit of a loophole, in the sense that players rarely hang in the air as long as he did, so it makes it look stupid since he’s hanging there for .4-.5 seconds).

    14. Yes, it seems fairly obvious that the shot there didn’t get taken in .3 seconds, but since the .3 seconds was itself determined by how fast or slow the clock got stopped in 100 other instances throughout the game it seems pretty tough to say the Kings got “screwed” really.

      And there’s also the bit where THERE ARE 0.3 SECONDS LEFT WHY ARE YOU GOING AROUND A SCREEN AND NOT UNDER IT!!!!

      If Bargnani or JR had done that…

    15. @18 the workers at the Nba store will be completely perplexed by the number of custom “Cole” Christmas day Knick jerseys lol

    16. @14

      That’s certainly all true. I mean, of course all of these guys look awesome on their mixtapes. But what I like about this year’s draft is that there are several guys who project at the top of the draft who are defensive-minded players, whereas the top of last year’s draft was slanted more towards volume scorer types in Wiggins and Parker. Plus the two good big men, where last year you really only had the one, Joel Embiid.

      Since the NBA season is looking like it’s going to be a long, tedious, depressing slog, I’ll be following the college game closely this year.

    17. If we trade Melo for nothing we get out from his stupid contract. That’s something!

      I think it was stupid for us to sign him, considering how unlikely we ever were to contend for a title during the life of it. But on the trade market in 2016 I don’t think the contract would be considered stupid. A 32 year old Melo at 3 years, $75 million would probably be very attractive to a contender with a real #1 star on it’s team, especially after LeBron and Durant blow by him with their new max salaries and guys like Iman Shumpert might be making $12-$14 million.

    18. Yeah, if the Knicks looked to be good in the near future, I never would have had a problem with giving Melo whatever he wanted. The problem isn’t his salary so much as it is how this particular team is constructed. They are not built to win in the near future, so signing a 30-year-old to a five-year deal for mega max money was just stupid. Again, you don’t rebuild and extend your 30-year-old star for five years at mega max money. It just doesn’t make any sense. Meanwhile, Melo on the Rockets and the Bulls made perfect sense. Melo’s worth a ton of money (especially with the rising cap). He just isn’t worth it to this team.

    19. Here’s another bit of pessimism about the future of the Knicks. “You need a while to see the team learn the Triangle,” they say while knowing that the majority of the roster are gone after this year, so what was the point, exactly, in teaching them a system they won’t need to know?

    20. I guess I’m unclear on how we’re expecting the Knicks to turn over the entire roster in a single year. My expectation is that all of the following will probably be Knicks next year (for better or worse (mostly worse)): Melo, Calderon, Shump, Jason Smith, Early, THJ, Acy. And then I think JR and Stat both look like tossups. Am I crazy for thinking the most likely scenario is that next year’s roster looks dispiritingly like this year’s roster + Free Agent Addition X + Lottery Pick Y?

    21. BC i think the point is to have Fisher practice coaching it and have Melo and the few others that will be around have an idea of how to run it next year when the Knicks are supposedly gonna be better. I guess.

    22. They are not built to win in the near future, so signing a 30-year-old to a five-year deal for mega max money was just stupid.

      Even given that we’ll never contend, I still wouldn’t think it was stupid if we hadn’t agreed to the NTC! I would’ve been totally cool signing him for a 5 year max, taking a swing at the 2015 free agency market with thim, and then trading him in 2015 or 2016 to the Bulls, Lakers, Rockets, or whoever wanted him if we struck out.

    23. so what was the point, exactly, in teaching them a system they won’t need to know?

      So that they can prepare players on how best to defend the Triangle when they join other teams next year?

    24. Here’s another bit of pessimism about the future of the Knicks. “You need a while to see the team learn the Triangle,” they say while knowing that the majority of the roster are gone after this year, so what was the point, exactly, in teaching them a system they won’t need to know?

      Well, I guess at least a few of these guys will be here, so at least you’ve got somewhat of a foundation. Calderon, Shump and Melo may all be in the starting lineup next year, and maybe some of the young guys and role players will be back. What else should they do, say “we suck this year, so forget the triangle, let’s just play SSOL until next year and then switch to the triangle.” That doesn’t really make sense either in the big picture.

    25. Am I crazy for thinking the most likely scenario is that next year’s roster looks dispiritingly like this year’s roster + Free Agent Addition X + Lottery Pick Y?

      Nope, you’re most likely correct. So let’s hope that Free Agent Addition X is Marc Gasol and Lottery Pick Y is someone really good!

    26. Next year’s roster will look a lot different.

      Melo, Calderon, Prigs, Hardaway and Early are the only guys who will definitely be on the books. Shump will hopefully continue to play well and be re-signed. So probably six returning players.

      JR does not fit in here and his potential salary for 2015-2016 is a real bummer, so I’m sure moving JR will be a top priority. Jason Smith is probably a one-year stopgap and will be gone. If he comes back I guarantee you it would be for the vet’s minimum. Stat, Dalembert and Bargs are all dunzo as Knicks after this year. Quincy Acy appears to be pretty bad at basketball so I’m guessing he’s gone. Larkin is gone.

    27. Hey, Kevin Love, when you try to debunk a story, it is not smart to tie your credibility in with another lie.

      He was asked about a rumor that he was planning on opting out and joining the Lakers and then he was asked again about the obvious “weed-smoking pantomine” handshake he and Kyrie Irving did, and he denied the obvious “weed-smoking pantomine” aspect of the handshake by saying, “Whatever [people assumed] we were doing with our hands was about as true as me going to the Lakers.” So, since what everyone assumed was the obvious truth, does that mean you are going to the Lakers, Kevin?

    28. Shump will hopefully continue to play well and be re-signed.

      IF the Knicks sign Shumpert, he’ll be their first draft pick to stay with the team past his rookie contract since Charlie Ward (drafted 20 years ago).

      My bet is Shumpert lands elsewhere, just to keep the streak alive!

    29. Huh, I actually found it significantly more likely that the handshake ended with mustache twirling than with joint smoking Brian. So I think you might be attributing some certainty to your belief that isn’t there.

    30. So Steve Kerr, former player of Phil Jackson, and his first choice for coach because of his mutual affection for the Triangle offense as well as his basketball IQ, who also played for D’Antoni, chose to style the offense around SSOL.
      Hmmmm?

    31. chose to style the offense around SSOL.
      Hmmmm?

      Uhh no….more like his roster is condusive to that kind of offense, and they ran the same offense last year.

    32. So Steve Kerr, former player of Phil Jackson, and his first choice for coach because of his mutual affection for the Triangle offense as well as his basketball IQ, who also played for D’Antoni, chose to style the offense around SSOL.
      Hmmmm?

      a) Kerr didn’t play for D’Antoni

      b) We had his conversation in yesterday’s thread.

      c) @36 they didn’t run the same offense last year (again, see thread from yesterday)

    33. IF the Knicks sign Shumpert, he’ll be their first draft pick to stay with the team past his rookie contract since Charlie Ward (drafted 20 years ago).

      Whoa. Charlie Ward was 20 years ago? Damn I’m getting old. (37)

    34. That’s right, Kerr never played for D’Antoni. Nonetheless, his knowledge of the triangle was a big part of his appeal to PJ, and he chose to go with a different philosophy. That’s interesting.

      @er, the roster is conducive for it??? I guess Jordan, Pippen and Grant were too slow, so had to go the triangle.

    35. The Warriors were already a winning team, and returned all their significant players from last season. I think you’d have to be pretty ballsy to take that team and reinvent the wheel with it.

    36. Nonetheless, his knowledge of the triangle was a big part of his appeal to PJ, and he chose to go with a different philosophy

      Kerr won championships with both Jackson and Popovich. I think Jackson has always gone with what he knows and Popovich has, like Riley, been able to adapt his system, not so much to changing rosters, but to changing styles and rules. Kerr had been an analyst in the league and sees Popovich evolve and win, so it makes sense that he’s not fitting the Triangle into a square hole in Golden State. (like Fisher is in NY?)

    37. The Warriors were already a winning team, and returned all their significant players from last season. I think you’d have to be pretty ballsy to take that team and reinvent the wheel with it.

      The Bulls were a winning team, too, before PJ arrived, just didn’t win the championship. And PJ reinvented the offense.
      In some respects, the NBA has changed a lot over the last couple of decades, most notably, the pace.

    38. Oh did I just blow your minds?

      I suppose Kerr could geometrically fit two triangles into a square hole. But unfortunately there’s only one ball.

    39. It seems like they are spending a lot of time trying to teach the triangle offense to a bunch of guys who won’t even be on the team next season. Not to mention that the team as a whole is not filled with Mensa’s , making teaching them anything very difficult. Brilliant, pass me a Guinness.

      Agree, Trey Burke is good for 24 points, 8 assists, 3 steals, and only one turnover. Making average/below average guys look great, it’s what the Knicks do…

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