Knicks Morning News (2014.11.13)

  • [New York Times] Wall’s 27 Points Lead Wizards Over Pistons 107-103 (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:24:47 GMT)

    After the first quarter Wednesday night, Detroit guard Brandon Jennings had 16 points and the Washington Wizards trailed by 10.

  • [New York Times] Wall’s 27 Points Lead Wizards Over Pistons 107-103 (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:21:54 GMT)

    John Wall had 27 points and 11 assists as the Washington Wizards pulled out a 107-103 win over the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Howard Scores 22, Rockets Beat T-Wolves in Mexico (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:07:03 GMT)

    Feeling better after missing his first game of the season because of a flu-like virus, Dwight Howard promised to put on a show for his Mexican fans. And he delivered.

  • [New York Times] Davis Powers Pelicans Past Lakers, 109-102 (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:02 GMT)

    Anthony Davis and Tyreke Evans were off and running the moment Kobe Bryant’s 20-foot jumper bounced off the rim and into the hands of 7-foot Pelicans center Omer Asik.

  • [New York Times] Green Leads Suns Over Nets 112-104 (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:00 GMT)

    Gerald Green came off the bench to score 28 points as the Phoenix Suns erased a 19-point deficit to beat the Brooklyn Nets 112-104 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Anthony Davis Leads Pelicans Past Lakers (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:30:26 GMT)

    Davis had 25 points, 12 rebounds and 6 blocked shots, and the host New Orleans Pelicans pulled away from the reeling Los Angeles Lakers for a 109-102 victory.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Former Net Gerald Green Has 28 Points as Suns Top His Old Team (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:21:58 GMT)

    Green came off the bench to score 28 points as the host Phoenix Suns erased a 19-point deficit to beat the Nets, 112-104, on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Magic 97, Knicks 95: As Last-Gasp Shot Fails, Knicks Can Only Sigh (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:05:54 GMT)

    The Knicks faced an Orlando team playing its second game in 27 hours but could not take advantage.

  • [New York Times] Lillard Leads Blazers to 130-113 Rout of Nuggets (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:42:47 GMT)

    Damian Lillard had 27 points and a season-high nine assists as the Portland Trail Blazers used a big first half to rout the Denver Nuggets 130-113 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Jackson Carries Thunder Past Celtics, 109-94 (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 03:30:48 GMT)

    Reggie Jackson had 28 points and eight assists, and Anthony Morrow scored 28 to lift the injury-riddled Oklahoma City Thunder to a 109-94 victory over the Boston Celtics on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Fournier’s Career-High 28 Lead Magic Over Knicks (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 03:27:47 GMT)

    Evan Fournier scored a career-high 28 points, and the Orlando Magic bounced back from a poor finish with a good one, handing the New York Knicks a sixth straight loss with a 97-95 victory Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Millsap, Teague Help Hawks Sink Jazz (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 03:15:47 GMT)

    Paul Millsap had 30 points and 17 rebounds and Jeff Teague added 17 points to help the Atlanta Hawks beat the Utah Jazz 100-97 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Outwork Heat on Boards, Win 81-75 (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 03:12:48 GMT)

    Chris Copeland scored 17 points and put Indiana ahead to stay on a layup with 43 seconds left, Roy Hibbert added 16 points and 15 rebounds and the undermanned Pacers beat the Miami Heat 81-75 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo snaps out of it but Knicks lose; J.R. misses winner (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:42:07 GMT)

    Troubled former Knicks guard Michael Ray Richardson, the author of one of the most memorable quotes in team history, was seated courtside Wednesday night at the Garden.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Knicks coach Fisher may want to learn MSG exits soon (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:37:30 GMT)

    There are stories of Mike D’Antoni trying to sneak out of the Garden after losses to avoid being cornered in his office by James Dolan. Those quick exits brought a whole new meaning to the phrase “seven seconds or less.”

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: J.R. Smith not deterred at buzzer (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:35:45 GMT)

    For a while, J.R. Smith had found his inner triangle. Smith appeared more comfortable and confident in the offense on Wednesday against struggling Orlando. Perhaps he was too comfortable.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Fisher must get Melo the ball in crunch time (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:05:18 EDT)

    NEW YORK –- As a player for the Los Angeles Lakers, Derek Fisher authored one of the most clutch buzzer-beating shots in NBA playoff history against the San Antonio Spurs.But he also forged a long career out of making sure to get the ball to Kobe Bryant with the game on the line. Now as a head coach, Fisher knows he has to find a way to get the ball into Carmelo Anthony’s hands at all costs in crunch time. The New York Knicks’ rookie coach learned that the hard way Wednesday night when the Knicks lost their sixth straight game, 97-95, in painstaking fashion at Madison Square Garden.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] J.R.: 'I think we went with the best shot' (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 01:31:57 EDT)

    NEW YORK — The New York Knicks signed Carmelo Anthony to a five-year, $124 million contract in July for moments like this: down two, 3.5 seconds to play, a chance to snap a debilitating five-game losing streak.Get the ball to Melo, right?Not quite. Instead, J.R. Smith took a 27-footer from the top of the arc with 0.6 seconds left that went off the backboard and left the Knicks with their sixth straight loss. “I think we went with the best shot,” Smith said after the 97-95 loss to the Orlando Magic.

  • [New York Post] How Knicks are following Giants’ blueprint on road to nowhere (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:22:48 -0500)

    The Knicks keep preaching patience, but you can tell their patience is starting to wear as thin as tissue paper. The body language is starting to stick on frustration, especially…

  • [New York Post] Knicks can’t muster up Magic (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:07:28 -0500)
  • [New York Post] Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher differ on triangle learning curve (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 03:45:23 -0500)

    Knicks coach Derek Fisher distanced himself from Phil Jackson's comments earlier this week in which the team president said he will know by December which players will master the triangle…

  • [New York Post] Carmelo Anthony: ‘Of course I wanted’ to take the final shot (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:39:19 -0500)

    The question answered itself. Did Carmelo Anthony want the ball at the end of the game? Anthony gave a look that suggested the religious affiliations of popes, hygiene habits of…

  • [New York Newsday] J.R. Smith misses at buzzer as Knicks lose 6th in row (Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:24:05 EST)

    Carmelo Anthony was on the right wing, asking for the ball with the final seconds winding down. But J.R. Smith didn't want to force the ball to him and instead hoisted a long three-pointer.

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    48 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.11.13)”

    1. Is there anyone here who wouldn’t trade Carmelo for Anthony Davis right now? Just wondering.

    2. Is there anyone here who wouldn’t trade Carmelo for Anthony Davis right now? Just wondering.

      Jowles i know you are a troll but come on. Read what airkent said. Leave poor Melo alone lol.

    3. @ er
      Even if you like Melo, Anthony Davis is younger and actually has a chance of still being good when (if??) we get some actual talent on the roster.

    4. Anyone in the league for Davis was true last year. Even more true this year. He is far and away the most valuable commodity in the league given talent, age, and contract.

      He’s only 21! He is 21 until March!

      Davis is going to get injured or be an inner circle hall of famer, that’s how I feel about him. He will have to get out of NO probably to get the external hardware maybe, but he is as talented a basketball player as Lebron I think….

    5. Honestly, I find it hard to watch basketball in general when the Knicks are terrible. I find myself getting pissed. Why can’t we do this or why can’t we do that?
      Then I’m pissed because I bought full up NBA league pass, which isn’t good if you aren’t enjoying basketball.
      Truly, I tried to watch. I can’t understand why the Knicks aren’t just running Amare 30 minutes + instead of some of the fools they have. This argument about scoring from the bench is just silly.
      And, what I have learned about the triangle is you catch and decide to do something with the rock within about two seconds.
      Melo gets it, one-one thousand, two-one thousand, three-one thousand, four-one thousand…etc. jab step, pull up, or whatever.
      To me, things don’t look much different.
      Terrible.
      I bagged early.
      The Knicks: We make average players look great.

    6. I’m pretty surprised Jowles tried to find someone who actually thinks that instead of just going to town on the strawman of people who think Melo is more valuable. Unfortunately for him I think it’s beyond obvious that Davis is the most valuable property in the league given his age, contract etc.

      I think the more interesting question is whether he has already becomes the league’s best player at the age of 21. I’d still lean towards Lebron and Durant over him for the moment I think, but with Durant injured and Lebron off to a slow start it looks awfully close at the moment. And I think it’s pretty indisputable that he’s at worst 3rd now.

    7. I am willing to give Fish a lot of leeway since this is more and more clearly becoming a “Eh, whatever happens, happens” season, but if any other coach pulled that Hardaway bullshit (Not playing him in the first half because of “matchup problems” but then starting him in the second half? Fuck the heck?) I would be aghast at the idiocy of it.

    8. Hey Guys,
      Anthony Davis for Carmelo straight up? Sure. I mean, of course, and that’s no knock on Melo.

      Do we have our first rounder this year? I might start rooting against us. Sure, play Bargs…

      Someone asked if 6-28 was possible. I mean, that might be for the best. Now that we have our 124 million man, to build around, the only chance we have is to get a big time player in the draft.

    9. The knicks are a pathetic organization. Every year it’s a new excuse, along with a bunch of “hopes” for the future and the same old tag line – “next year will be better”. Nine games in, and this season is over.
      Of course, the fan boys here will defend the team and regurgitate the excuses the team and media offer up – which is why the knicks suck. If the fans boycotted MSG, and no one showed up to games (it will never, ever happen), guaranteed things would turn around in a hurry.
      Don’t you get sick and tired of watching other teams go from good to shit to good again, while the knicks are always shit?
      And, how’s that Melo trade working out so far? Where are all the genius’s that called it a no brainer?
      It’s a free country and everyone has a right to choose, but I routinely turn down offers from my wife and friends that suggest we go to a game. I’m three subway stops away and won’t step foot in that building to see the knicks.
      – signed, “Sick and Tired”

    10. I am willing to give Fish a lot of leeway since this is more and more clearly becoming a “Eh, whatever happens, happens” season, but if any other coach pulled that Hardaway bullshit (Not playing him in the first half because of “matchup problems” but then starting him in the second half? Fuck the heck?) I would be aghast at the idiocy of it.

      I think Fish was sending a message to Timmay Haraway (no “D”) about his inattentiveness on defense. It’s one thing when your opponent blows by you because of poor lateral movement; it’s quite another to just lose your opponent off the ball. The latter has been happening far too often. He didn’t want to call Hardaway out in public so early. I only hope as the season progresses, Phish and Phil will call out not just Timmy but JR and Amare for these mental lapses.

    11. “Don’t you get sick and tired of watching other teams go from good to shit to good again, while the knicks are always shit?”

      Yeah, really tired of seeing all those other teams win NBA titles, we seem to be the only one in the last ten years without a chip (except for Toronto, Washington, Chicago, Brooklyn/NJ, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Charlotte, Indiana, Orlando, Detroit, Philly and every West team except Dallas, LA and San Antonio)

    12. On Davis: If the offer came up for a straight up Melo for Davis swap, you pull the trigger on that everyday of the week. Absolutely no criticism on Melo, but Davis has a ridiculously high ceiling, and he’s already pretty good. I really hope he stays with NO, but it’s hard to see him really stepping out with the Pelicans.

      On the topic of this season, I think I am at peace with this being a down year. Difference being the expectations were pretty low to begin with, plus the franchise has a bit better direction than previous years. Not saying I am happy with losing, just I don’t think I am too cut up about it at the moment ha ha. I like the commitment from Phil to stick with a particular direction (e.g. coming out and saying if players aren’t to speed on the game plane or buying in by x date, then they are gone), which is good for stability. You never know, maybe everything clicks and the team comes good, if not, well then that 1st round pick should be a treat.

    13. I’m completely fine with the idea of a down year. My problem is more the issue that next year looks to be a down year, too, unless they somehow manage to trade JR and sign Marc Gasol (trading JR is important because it allows them to keep Shump). So then you’re looking at basically Year 3 of Melo’s 5-year mega max contract to be the year that the team can realistically compete and, well, that is a bad thing.

    14. Anthony Davis > Melo. He is a genuine force and he has no wear on the tread yet.

      Patience is a virtue few Knick fans have but I’m resigned to a non-championship season. In or out of the playoffs means nothing. Next year means something. But I do want to watch watchable games.

      While the Hardaway thing was a head-scratcher, I was more shocked to see Jason Smith in over Stoudemire at the end of the game. I would like to see Stat and either Acy or Dalembert paired in the front court with Melo at the end of the game. I don’t want to see JR or Jason Smith late in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

    15. So then you’re looking at basically Year 3 of Melo’s 5-year mega max contract to be the year that the team can realistically compete and, well, that is a bad thing.

      Plus two more years of me telling everyone I was right all along. It’s going to suck.

    16. @ GoNYGo – At the end of games Carmelo should be at the 4 paired with Dalembert or Stat depending on matchups. The Knicks are at their best with Melo at the 4.

    17. Yeah, any trade that gets you Anthony Davis is automatically the best trade in the NBA. Kid starts the year putting up KG-at-his-MVP-peak-or-possibly-better kind of numbers, and he’s only 21? Pelicans have been 27 pts/100 better with him on the floor. That is nuts. It’s a bit unnerving that with him and Asik their defense still isn’t very good though…

    18. Not sure why Cole can’t get some burn. Could he really do any worse?
      I am definitely going to start rooting for losses. This is a pretty good draft to have a top 5 pick in (hello Mr. Towns!) and there’s really no reason to acquire 35 wins instead of 28.

    19. If we keep playing at this pace, our record will be somewhere at around 23-59 (hello, Larry Brown’s Knicks!) Wouldn’t that give us a legit shot at the #1 pick?

      The scary thing is, our schedule has been pretty freakin’ easy so far, no West coast trips and we haven’t played any of the top teams from the Western Conference yet. If we don’t get a few wins during this easy stretch, 23 wins may not be much of a reach.

    20. A few weeks ago, Stratomatic stated that basketball may have passed the Triangle by and that Phil didn’t know it yet.

      Recently Phil has described the Triangle as “extremely simple”, and said that any roster could benefit from implementing the scheme.

      Yet, by my count, the Triangle, when used by a team not coached by Phil, is… 180-568 (.240%).

      In other words, if one (or two) of the greatest players of their generation isn’t involved in the offense, it loses over 75% of the time.

      Phil said three years ago that “the game is evolving into a 3-point shooting game. You can’t win a championship with a European offense…my issue with a team like Miami is always, ‘Who is going to score in the post?’”. Well, since that statement, Miami won two titles and the Spurs re-invented themselves as a perimeter juggernaut to win it last year.

      So maybe Stratomatic is right?

      Brian Shaw, groomed on the Triangle offense, finally got a head coaching gig and opted not to run the Triangle in Denver. Kerr, also versed in the Triangle, got to Golden State and abandoned the idea because “in today’s NBA you have to run; you have to play fast and score early. The rules dictate that”.

      I’m not saying the Triangle is the reason that the Knicks are off to a bad start. It’s not. They are off to a bad start because they have players that are worse than the players on the opposing team most nights. But Mike “Fire” Woodson could have 11 rings with his iso-offense and switch-on-everything defense if he coached combinations of Jordan, Shaq, Rodman, Pippen, Kobe, and Gasol in their primes all those years. Does Phil really think that it was the Triangle that won all those rings and not the players?

    21. “Plus two more years of me telling everyone I was right all along. It’s going to suck.”

      Lol.

      Seriously though, nothing was more predictable than exactly what is happening now. For years now, ever since Melo arrived, this has all been clear. Just imagine how bad we would all feel if Gallo’s leg hadn’t exploded.

      I gotta say, I wish Team Melo would re-up Ruru’s social media coordinator gig, because without him to hold the line, it’s downright depressing around here.

    22. I also wish we had hired Masaii years ago….

      I think Jackson is fine but I put no stock on the triangle. Players win. That’s about all there is to it as far as I can see.

    23. @ 24 – I think your main point is a fine argument, I don’t agree with it but I understand what you are saying. However, saying Woodson could have won numerous titles with Phil’s Bulls and Lakers teams is absurd. Phil is a legendary coach. Plus, he took over both teams after they could not get over the hump and was able to transform both into repeat champions. Woodson does not get that done.

    24. 73-29 at the half!

      If that’s how tanking is done, count me out. Call me short-sided, but what Philly has been putting on the court these past few years would be trying for even the most patient of fans.

    25. Well I certainly didn’t mean to suggest that what the Knicks had done those past 14 years was better, God knows it wasn’t. I just meant that the 76’ers method of tanking is a little on the extreme side and I’m not sure how long I, personally, would be able to stomach it. A year or two? Sure. But Philly is going on year 3, and I doubt it’ll stop after this season. I just think they’re taking it too far.

    26. I think Philly is definitely the extreme, but I think it is the extreme because they’re in a different situation in general. Who’s the biggest free agent Philly has ever signed in the modern free agency period (basically the last 24 years)? I think it is George Lynch or Matt Geiger. That’s pathetic. The only way you can get players to go to Philly is to draft or trade for them. So Hinkie is going a bit further than what other teams, like the Knicks, would have to go in a similar situation.

    27. Oh right, I totally forgot him because he flopped so badly in Philly. But yeah, there ya go. They made one significant free agent signing in 24 years and it was grossly overpaying a guy coming off of a season lost to injury. In other words, they can’t go the route of getting the team to being good and then hoping that a big name star will sign with them to take them over the top, but the Knicks can and that’s really how they should have handled things. Rebuilding by signing a 30-year-old star to a mega max contract extension is just madness.

    28. @ 24 – I think your main point is a fine argument, I don’t agree with it but I understand what you are saying. However, saying Woodson could have won numerous titles with Phil’s Bulls and Lakers teams is absurd. Phil is a legendary coach. Plus, he took over both teams after they could not get over the hump and was able to transform both into repeat champions. Woodson does not get that done.

      Is Phil a legendary coach because he made Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, and Gasol into champions, or did Jordan, Shaq, et al make Phil a legendary coach by winning him championships? Was KC Jones a great coach, or did he simply coach Bird and McHale in their primes? A lot of coaching is being in the right place at the right time and not screwing it up. Woodson wasn’t a disaster of a coach before last year. He was just a guy with a system that didn’t work very well– kind of like the Triangle offense when it’s not run by several all-time greats at the same time. That was the point I was making.

    29. Kerr’s non-triangular offense looks just a shitty as Mark Jackson’s.

      I’m not sure why you would say this. Maybe you didn’t watch the Warriors last year and/or haven’t watched them this year (or looked at their stat sheets). But last year under Jackson they were 6th in pace, 8th in eFG%, and 12th in offensive rating. This year under Kerr they are 1st in pace, 1st in eFG%, and the reason their offensive rating is worse than last year thus far is because they lead the league in TO%. The offense is not at all like Jackson’s. It’s more like D’Antoni’s (but they are the #1 defensive rating to go along with it). Curry has a .20 higher TS%, Thompson has a .70 higher TS%, Barnes has a .190 higher TS%, Green has a .90 higher TS%. Bogut is the only starter that hasn’t thrived offensively, and he’s just used as a defensive rim-protector and pick setter.

    30. I don’t believe he said it was the same offense, just that it was just as shitty as Jackson’s offense. And really, 18th in offensive rating is pretty darn shitty for a team with that many offensive weapons.

    31. 18th in offensive rating is pretty shitty for a team with that many offensive weapons.

      The context of the discussion, though, is whether Kerr, who Jackson wanted to implement the Triangle in NY, would be more successful in Golden State if he was running a Jacksonian Triangle instead of a high-pace, open court, perimeter oriented offense like he is.

    32. It seems hard to believe he’d be any worse, though, right?

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly no “Rah! Rah! Triangle!” guy. In fact, I tend to think it probably has lost some of its luster in the post-D’Antoni NBA. However, the shitty Knicks are #21 in Offensive Rating running the Triangle while the much-better Warriors are #18 without running it. So I don’t think Kerr’s Warriors say anything about the Triangle one way or the other.

    33. I think it’s a bit misleading to look at only offensive rating 7 games in. The rating is skewed by back-to-back 26 turnover games in their (only) two losses. GS’s offense has produced the highest eFG% in the league, which is what a good offense is supposed to generate: high percentage shots. Fisher’s triangle isn’t doing that (17th), or if it is, the Knicks are just missing those shots, unlike the Warriors. I suspect the turnover rate in GS will go down as the sample size grows, and with it the offensive rating will go up (GS is also 4th in MoV and 2nd in SRS (all before tonight’s win)).

    34. Speaking of Golden State, Draymond Green would be an intriguing free agent option if we’re not going to get to max out Gasol.

    35. While I agree, Green is pulling a bit of a Shump himself this season, and he’s going to be surprisingly expensive I think. Yes, not Gasol level expensive, but I think he’s going to top $10 million per annum.

    36. Honestly, I find it hard to watch basketball in general when the Knicks are terrible. I find myself getting pissed. Why can’t we do this or why can’t we do that?
      Then I’m pissed because I bought full up NBA league pass, which isn’t good if you aren’t enjoying basketball.

      That’s interesting, Frank O. I was thinking of getting League Pass precisely because the Knicks were terrible and I love watching basketball. Then I decided I would just stick with TNT. But now I have to listen to Barkley, Reggie, Kenny, and all those idiots who think they’re the reason we watch basketball on TNT. Sigh.

      Oh, and Anthony Davis isn’t on nearly enough.

      His restricted free agency will be fascinating, to say the least. Given his injury history, you would expect him to sign an extension like most NBA players on their first contract do. But given the salary cap is expected to rise drastically, he might be willing to forego that.

      If he reaches RFA in 2016, and I were a team like, say, the Knicks… I would gauge his interest in signing a one year max offer sheet with an option for the second year (as injury insurance), which would make him a UFA in 2017.

      I basically don’t want this guy to waste 7 years of his life on the Pelicans.

    37. Regarding the triangle angst:

      I think Phil is pretty smart and if he sees something failing he won’t stick with it for 5 years.

      I also think Derek Fisher’s survival instincts will kick in if this is truly failing.

      Right now, there is no system that can make these players look good, so I wouldn’t fret over the idea that we may be dinosaurs in the modern NBA. We just have a shitty team. But, as Brian Cronin pointed out above, it looks like there is a good chance we may have shitty players again next year. And that means Melo leaving. And that means getting nothing in return because we gave him a NTC. So all that is bleak. Wait, I started this intending for it to be an optimistic post. Dammit, basketball.

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