Knicks Morning News (2014.10.09)

  • [New York Post] Sore hamstring forces Shumpert to miss preseason opener (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:38:37 -0400)

    HARTFORD, Conn. — Though Iman Shumpert had campaigned to play the Knicks' preseason opener against the Celtics at XL Arena Wednesday despite a right hamstring strain, coach Derek Fisher's wishes…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ J.R. Smith: Learning triangle will take ‘few months’ (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:00:39 -0400)

    HARTFORD, Conn. — J.R. Smith started at off guard for the Knicks in their first preseason game Wednesday, but coach Derek Fisher was quick to point out nothing is etched…

  • [New York Post] Knicks suffer triangle growing pains in opening preseason loss (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:56:14 -0400)

    HARTFORD, Conn. — Derek Fisher looked sharp in his royal blue suit. His Knicks did not. In the club's preseason opener with Fisher manning the sidelines for the first time,…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Iman Shumpert sits preseason opener with hamstring injury (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 04:47:56 GMT)

    The Knicks wouldn’t allow any Shumping around Wednesday night against the Celtics. Iman Shumpert wanted to play but was held out of the Knicks’ preseason opener because he was limited in practices earlier this week with a right hamstring injury.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks lose to Celtics as triangle offense is in, but defense still out (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:16:26 GMT)

    The triangle may be here on offense, but there is still a gaping, circular hole on defense. Derek Fisher’s initial starting lineup featured two newcomers and two holdovers alongside Carmelo Anthony, including both J.R.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers, Heat Take in Rio Ahead of Exhibition (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:04:14 GMT)

    The Cleveland Cavaliers have already experienced the best — and a tiny bit of the worst — of Rio de Janeiro as they prepare for Saturday’s preseason game against the Miami Heat.

  • [New York Times] Shaquille O’Neal Has His Hands Full as a Pitchman (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:00:07 GMT)

    Shaquille O’Neal, the former N.B.A. All-Star, has earned millions by promoting a wide variety of products, such as jewelry and soda.

  • [New York Times] Thomas Leads Suns to Exhibition Win (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 04:58:13 GMT)

    Isiah Thomas scored 18 points, and the Phoenix Suns beat Flamengo 100-88 in an exhibition on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Mozgov Scores 20 in Denver’s Win Over Thunder (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:55:13 GMT)

    Timofey Mozgov scored 20 points, Ty Lawson had 12 and the Denver Nuggets beat the Oklahoma City Thunder 114-101 in an exhibition game on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Four Wizards Players Suspended (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:44:41 GMT)

    The Washington Wizards’ DeJuan Blair, Nene, Daniel Orton and Xavier Silas were each suspended for one regular-season game for leaving the bench area during an altercation between Washington’s Paul Pierce and Chicago’s Joakim Noah in an exhibition game Monday.

  • [New York Times] Celtics 106, Knicks 86, Preseason: Knicks Preview Triangle, and Rerun Defensive Lapses (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:33:51 GMT)

    The Knicks and their new coach, Derek Fisher, opened their preseason Wednesday with a 20-point loss to the Celtics in Hartford.

  • [New York Times] Wizards Beat Pelicans 94-89 in Preseason Game (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:22:13 GMT)

    John Wall scored 14 points to lead the Washington Wizards to a 94-89 preseason win over the New Orleans Pelicans on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Rally to Beat Grizzlies in Parker’s Debut (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:46:31 GMT)

    Rookie Jabari Parker scored eight of his 14 points in the fourth quarter, and Milwaukee beat the Memphis Grizzlies 86-83 on Wednesday night in coach Jason Kidd’s preseason debut with the Bucks.

  • [New York Times] Fisher Drops Preseason Debut With New York Knicks (Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:16:26 GMT)

    Derek Fisher lost his coaching debut with the New York Knicks when Jared Sullinger scored 23 points to lead the Boston Celtics to a 106-86 preseason win on Wednesday night.

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    26 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.10.09)”

    1. Chris Herring ?@HerringWSJ
      Fisher said he planned all along to have Stoudemire start the 2nd half over Bargs. Sounds as if those two are battling for starting PF spot.

      If I knew how to do it, I’d include that gif of the octopus running away going ‘nope nope nope nope’.

    2. “…yet.”

      -Big Man, Basketball Guru, and Infallable Zen-Master Phil Jackson

    3. JR on why the defense was so bad last night:

      “Keeping the ball out of the middle of the floor,” Smith said. “They got a lot of dribble penetration. Sometimes, we have to hold the person who’s on the ball more accountable instead of helping. That’s what got a lot of the bigs open jump shots.”

      He’s not wrong, but it just seems like such an obvious problem that you wonder if they’re even able to address that – this roster just might not be able to deny dribble penetration.

    4. Last year we sucked at defending the paint while also sucking against 3s. I’d settle for sucking at just one of those two things this season.

    5. I’m with you, Brian. It’s hare to imagine a team on the floor that is proficient at both ends. Melo is probably the only player that is at least average on both ends. Maybe Shump gets up to average on O or timmy gets up to average on D. Maybe 6th man of the Year JR is ok on both ends. Maybe Cole or Jason Smith emerges.

      The biggest issue is at PG. There’s not a PG on the roster who can stay in front of any of the top 30 PGs in the league.

      So we either have to:
      1. rely on rim protectors like Dalembert and Cole with all their warts (and that doesn’t solve the problem of kick-out 3’s or career high rebounding games for opposing 4-5’s)
      2. play a no-PG backcourt with Shump or JR as lead guard and live with 20+ turnovers and shot selection issues (and Shump’s low shooting efficiency
      3. try to outscore other teams with Melo-JR-Calderon-Amare-(pick a C) lineup.

    6. It’s not just PG. We literally have one guard who can play defense. Larkin is fast but tiny, Pablo is smart and has good hands but is old and slow, JR is maybe okay when he’s got his head right, Calderon tries but is physically incapable, and Timmy is just awful. I guess maybe Timmy has some upside-like just being a below average perimeter defender would be an improvement, but it’s going to be a big problem all season long that no amount of coaching is going to completely fix.

    7. Any bets on who from this board commits seppuku when Ray Felton goes for 25 and 12 against a full-strength backcourt on November 26th?

      I don’t think we have much longer with Brian or Frank O. Cherish these days.

    8. Let’s start with a basic assumption – The Knicks will not win the NBA title this year.

      The problems we saw last night are not going away overnight. I’ll be happy if the team can hover around .500 until 2015. The Knicks did not look like a team last night. They looked like a lot of guys running around, flailing their arms and chucking up shots. It was like watching last year all over again.

      Defensively, we don’t have a 2-way guard. Our collective hope is that Shumpert learns how to score and that THjr learns how to play defense and not give up the rock. JR is, by far, the best of our shooting guards.

      Our point guards are barely adequate. Calderon and Prigioni will never be able to play defense. They can’t keep opposing guards from the paint and they can’t defend the perimeter. What they can do is orchestrate an offense and hold onto the ball.

      Bargnani is a mess. I’ve heard the man speak and he’s not stupid, but he has very little basketball acumen. Maybe he knows right from wrong but when he’s in the game it’s as if he’s in a fog. The ball stops with him and all to often he gives it up. On three (nearly consecutive) plays he got the ball on the perimeter, tried to go 1-on-1 vs his defender, beat him and then coughed it up. Each play resulted in a transition bucket for the Celtics.

      Larkin should go to the D-league. He’s far from ready for the NBA.
      Outlaw looked like a fringe player at best. I see no up-side.
      Aldrich plays with intensity but he didn’t impress me that much.
      We won’t lose much with Dalembert at center vs Tyson Chandler – and he has an offensive game!
      JR will have a rough time with the triangle but if he learns it, he’ll benefit the most from it. It’s tailored to his athletic style of play.
      Stoudemire needs work in this system but he’ll do well. He was very active on defense. On one play he got burned because he took a chance for a block and nobody behind him picked up his man.
      You can tell that Melo…

    9. I guess one possible strategy is to guard the 3-point line on D and shoot a lot of 3’s on O. Foul all penetrators with gusto and when one big fouls out, put another one in. Between Dalembert, Cole, Jason, Acy and Bargnani, that’s 30 hard fouls before we run out of disposable bigs.

    10. I disagree on Larkin, he plays at a different speed than everyone else and seems very smart and coachable. It looked like Amare didn’t expect a couple of passes from him that might eventually work well. And even though he has the shortest arms I’ve ever seen, his quick hands and feet at least give him a chance to do some things on D. I’d like to see a small lineup with him, Shump, TH2, and 2 of Melo/Amare/Cleanthony going balls-out on every possession.

    11. Calderon and Prigioni are both terrific shooters who can pass very well. When guys figure the triangle out, they will be very useful on offense. Granted, neither one can play D, but we haven’t had a point guard who could play defense since. . .I don’t even know. Tony Douglas? I remember that he did something. Best case scenario for this team is we have a top 5 offense and a somewhat less shitty defense, and we win like 43 games.

      Moving away from iso-ball is going to cause more turnovers, but in theory if we’re swapping out some of our dumbest possessions for good looks at the basket, we might be able to get a bit better on offense. We were good on offense last year once a certain useless Italian went down injured and we got Tyson back, but we all know what happened late in the games when we took iso-ball to another level.

    12. Continuing….

      Did you notice that THjr was +6? The only other player that was positive was Stat with +2. THjr also had 6 D-Reb to go along with 5 TO’s. I guess we take the good with the bad? Prigioni was -22, worst on the team. But he played with the 3rd/4th stringers. It was not a good mix. They looked out of whack.

      Cleanthony Early played like a rookie but shows that he is better than a 2nd round pick. He has promise and I hope he develops into a solid backup for Melo.

    13. @14 I hear you. Some of those passes from Larkin were poorly timed. He passed into a crowd on one and kicked it out while driving the lane when he should’ve taken it to the hoop. He has up-side but he’s very raw. He won’t get PT on this team. That’s why I think he needs to go to the D-league.


      This team gwan win 30 games.

    15. Larkin has to look to score at least a little bit when he gets in the paint- watching him dribble into and then out of the paint over and over again made me feel like I was watching a sped-up Chris Duhon out there.

    16. The Knicks did not look like a team last night. They looked like a lot of guys running around, flailing their arms and chucking up shots. It was like watching last year all over again.

      Uh or maybe it was like watching the FIRST PRESEASON GAME of a team with a new coach, a new system and significant roster changes. Quincy Acy, some guy named Wear and Travis goddamn Outlaw actually played real minutes. This game was meaningless! Good grief, you people are ridiculous.

    17. Uh or maybe it was like watching the FIRST PRESEASON GAME of a team with a new coach, a new system and significant roster changes. Quincy Acy, some guy named Wear and Travis goddamn Outlaw actually played real minutes. This game was meaningless! Good grief, you people are ridiculous.

      Better that they lost so the reaction here can be all “The experiment failed! Blow it up already! Trade everybody for draft picks and let’s just skip this season!”

      Had they won, some people might have already gotten the parade route planned by now…

    18. @21 – You missed the point. I began that paragraph by saying “The problems we saw last night are not going away overnight. I’ll be happy if the team can hover around .500 until 2015.” What you SHOULD have gotten from it was “We need to be patient”.

      2015 will be here in January. I am just hoping that they aren’t buried by then. It’ll take 2 months of playing for them to mesh in the new system. I am the eternal optimist when it comes to the Knicks and think they have the talent to compete in the east but we all need patience.

    19. We need a sidekick for Wear so we can make Wear & Tear jokes all season. We got a Tear on the d-league team? Tear is easier to say than Thanasis, and it has a T.

      This year is -maybe not quite a rebuilding- but a retooling year. The franchise is at least trying to change direction. If we suck, we suck, but at least this year we will at least in theory be sucking in service of a larger cause, like installing an offensive system more sophisticated than ‘give it to melo over there’. And if the offense jells quickly, we have a ton of shooting, and we can be better than people expect. (on offense-I think fixing this D is a Sisyphean task. Fish is going to get that boulder up near the top of the hill, frogger is going to jump into him for no reason, and it’s going right back down again)

    20. We need a sidekick for Wear so we can make Wear & Tear jokes all season.

      When Wear and Cole are on the court together, can we call them Wear and Bear?

    21. Watching the replay last night the Knicks basically played like a team with a new coach, new system and several new team mates. This team isn’t likely to set the world on fire, but I am also not willing to make predictions or assumptions based on the first pre-season game. The turnovers were obviously a big factor, but a lot of those turnovers were, I felt, chemistry related.

      I do agree though that Ware looks pretty intriguing. Has a nice mid-range shot off the dribble and looks willing to hustle.

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