Knicks Morning News (2014.09.13)

  • [New York Times] Mercury Finish Sweep of Sky for Third WNBA Title (Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:45:30 GMT)

    The Phoenix Mercury were without star center Brittney Griner. However, they still had Diana Taurasi.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Serbia Advances to FIBA World Cup Final (Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:17:48 GMT)

    Milos Teodosic scored 24 points, and Serbia reached the championship game in Madrid by beating France, 90-85, on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Phoenix Mercury Win W.N.B.A. Title (Sat, 13 Sep 2014 03:46:47 GMT)

    Diana Taurasi and Candice Dupree each scored 24 points, and Phoenix beat the Chicago Sky to complete a three-game sweep in the finals and win their third championship.

  • [New York Times] Atlanta Hawks G.M. Danny Ferry Takes Leave Over Racial Remarks (Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:02:19 GMT)

    Ferry will take what the Hawks called an indefinite leave of absence after disparaging remarks he made about the African-born British player Luol Deng came to light.

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    35 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.09.13)”

    1. Nauseating article in today’s NY Times about Jimmy Dolan and his wonderful band (which is opening for the Eagles, purely based on musical talent of course)

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sports/basketball/james-l-dolan-steps-away-from-knicks-and-onto-the-stage.html?ref=sports&_r=0

      Turns out he uses Mick Jagger’s vocal coach, and the photo of their rehearsal space made me drool (about 10 times the size of the space I play in with my dad band). Must be nice to have unlimited funds. Most cringe worthy comment: “I’m an artist, and an artist doesn’t worry about being politically correct when I write”

      The good news – he admits that he’s spending a lot less time on the Knicks as he gets more involved with the band. If that’s the case, I think we should all line up to buy tickets to the next awesome performance by JD and the Straight Shot.

    2. That’s not Dolan’s rehearsal space; I’m pretty sure that’s Avatar Studios on 53rd Street, and I believe that is the main tracking room, Studio A, the one with the Neve 8088 console.

      There was a NY Post or Daily News article a couple of days ago that featured live video clips of JDATSS playing some of their new cuts live in that studio. The song about Trayvon Martin and the song in which JD complains about his high taxes seem to be everybody’s favorites.

    3. Congrats to the United States on their dominating victory of the FIBA World Cup!

      What’s funny is that the thing that worried us was what if some other team got crazy hot from three. Well, today we saw what happens when the U.S. gets crazy hot from three – an unbelievable 129-92 blowout. Wow.

    4. If Irving can shoot like he did today, the Cavs are going to be unstoppable. Oh, and Varejao has to be healthy. The only team that could possibly compete is the Spurs, and they’re old.

    5. If Irving can shoot like he did today,

      What I like best about his situation for Irving (it is also what I like worst as a fan of a team playing in his conference) is that FIBA has shown him the role that he will play in Cleveland and he’s adapted well to it. One of the “easiest” (quotes because it is all relative) things for a shooter to do is to learn how to make open three pointers. If Irving can make that adjustment, then yeah, the other teams are going to be kind of fucked.

    6. That superiority was so saddening I wanted to cry. Me and my basketball buddys want to give up BBall for soccer. We’ll have to reconsider sending our national teams to the competition against USA in the future. We have to fuck um up somehow.We have a crisis meeting scheduled here in Europe…atending al non american teams. Conspiracy to create. Breaking some legs,wrists…..so little hope.

      But in seriousness the team this year had the perfect balance(shooters, rebounders, creators, role players) and every player has something all time great in his arsenal. Harden getting to the stripe…and there was always a foul, thompson,curry, irving shooting & the guys in the pait were from other planet on O&D.The only glimmer of hope was when Rose was playing. But when our favorite here Rudy and Cousins are playing like Pippen & Wilt then you now youn’r in trobule.

    7. Guys, Dolan’s music career taking off could be the best thing that happens to the Knicks. We should all buy his album to support his endeavor. I bet you Phil tells him it’s great every day.

    8. If Irving can shoot like he did today, the Cavs are going to be unstoppable. Oh, and Varejao has to be healthy. The only team that could possibly compete is the Spurs, and they’re old.

      I got frightened watching him play today and imagining how great they are going to be offensively. But I’m not convinced that OKC or the Clippers wouldn’t be able to compete with them.

      On a related note, every now and then international basketball exposes a player, either because it stresses shooting more than the NBA or simply because you can see the dropoff between two players you think are on the same level (for example, remember when Chris Paul v Deron Williams was a conversation? Then the 2012 olympics happened and subbing in Williams for Paul became like watching Greg Anthony come in for Derek Harper).

      The two guys playing the role of Paul & Williams in this tournament were Kyrie Irving and Derrick Rose. And I’m as surprised as anyone about that.

    9. Oh, and final thought on the FIBA World Cup:

      We gave Golden State a lot of crap for not wanting to trade Klay Thompson for Kevin Love. And much of it was deserved. But Klay Thompson is a really good basketball player and was one of my favorite guys to watch in this tournament. I would be shocked if the guy Minnesota ended up getting for Love ends up becoming 75% the player that Klay is.

      In the long run, if they can convert their future cap space into a player of Love’s caliber or better (Durant in 2016??) while keeping Klay & Curry together, it will turn out to have been the right move for them. (That’s admittedly a big “if”, though, and a long wait.)

    10. So Garnett hasn’t informed the Nets yet whether he plans to play this year. Wow, how bad does that deal look for Brooklyn now, all 3 guys they got from the Celtics may be gone before this season even starts. I get that they were rolling the dice for one season, but they gave away draft picks till the end of time, and those picks should become more and more valuable to Boston as the Nets descend into suck-itude.

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    11. The Rose situation looks quite bad. I think we’re seeing Terrell Brandon 2.0 with a dash of Penny Hardaway.

    12. For Klay and Kyrie, absolutely. But Rose looks too much shaky… I don’t think he’ll recover, and I’m not saying that just because of some lackluster performance. You can see if a guy lost a step or two after injury… and he definitely has.

    13. Thanks, Jowles, I’ve never heard of such a thing before. Never comes up in my line of work, financial management. Normally if a stock has a good day we move all our clients’ money into it. This may give me reason to reconsider.

      Anyway, Klay Thompson has been a good basketball player for a long time. I just never noticed it because I don’t watch a lot of Golden State games. I’m not making a judgement based on small size, I’m acknowledging that I never realized how solid he was.

    14. By the way, someone called my attention to this email in a recent Bill Simmons mailbag:

      You know how the NFL is requiring performers to *pay the league* for the opportunity to perform during the Super Bowl halftime? Wouldn’t it be glorious if we end up with filthy-rich James Dolan as the highest bidder to showcase his own band (JD & The Straight Shot)?
      —Paul, Austin, Texas

      BS: I don’t know if “glorious” is a strong enough word. Can you think of a better finish for Goodell’s last NFL season than James Dolan playing halftime of the Super Bowl? Please, Lord, let this happen.

    15. Anyway, Klay Thompson has been a good basketball player for a long time. I just never noticed it because I don’t watch a lot of Golden State games. I’m not making a judgement based on small size, I’m acknowledging that I never realized how solid he was.

      It’s because he doesn’t get awarded a lot of credit for being a really good perimeter defender both on and off the ball. So while he isn’t going to give you a lot of work on the glass or assists, he’s a slight above average efficiency scorer with a tremendous three point shot and one of the 5 best defensive SG’s in the league.

      I still think you trade him for Kevin Love, especially since Thompson’s about to be off of his rookie deal and will be getting into the $12m+ range based on the contracts issued this summer to wing players. I do like Klay though.

    16. Rose looked awful, but he’s coming off two pretty bad injuries. He may be cooked, or he may just need time. I certainly wouldn’t count on him if I were the Bulls. He’d be the perfect player for the pre-Jackson Knicks, actually.

    17. You trade him for Love in a vaccuum, for sure. And I can understand the case for trading him for Love outside a vaccuum. I was one of the people saying they were crazy not to. I’m beginning to understand their logic, though. The truth is you don’t win in this league by acquiring the best players. You win in this league by fleecing other teams for their best players or by signing them away in FA (or by being San Antonio). If you can’t make a trade that is so obviously lopsided in your favor (like Cleveland ended up making with Minnesota), it might behoove you to not make it, even if the player you’re acquiring is much better than the one you’re giving up.

    18. What is the consensus, if there is one on basketball players returning from knee surgery. I know running backs usually say the first year (other than exception to the rule Adrian Peterson) is rough.

    19. So while he isn’t going to give you a lot of work on the glass or assists, he’s a slight above average efficiency scorer with a tremendous three point shot and one of the 5 best defensive SG’s in the league.

      I think Thompson is, or was last year, better than slightly above average at scoring efficiency inclusive of his turnover rate. Only four players in the NBA last year scored over 1400 pts (KT: 1488) with fewer than 150 Turnovers (KT: 135). The others were all forwards: Dirk, Al Jefferson, LMA. Only Dirk had a higher TS% than KT.

      Rose looked awful, but he’s coming off two pretty bad injuries. He may be cooked, or he may just need time. I certainly wouldn’t count on him if I were the Bulls. He’d be the perfect player for the pre-Jackson Knicks, actually.

      Yeah he really did. The Bulls have so much potential if Rose can only be pretty good. For a heavily lopsided team they added a ton of offense in the offseason in Mcdermott (seems optimistic, but I think he’s a high expectation offensive NBA player) Gasol and maybe/maybe not Mirotic. He hasn’t looked pretty good though.

    20. If you can’t make a trade that is so obviously lopsided in your favor (like Cleveland ended up making with Minnesota), it might behoove you to not make it, even if the player you’re acquiring is much better than the one you’re giving up.

      Good point.

      I think Thompson is, or was last year, better than slightly above average at scoring efficiency inclusive of his turnover rate. Only four players in the NBA last year scored over 1400 pts (KT: 1488) with fewer than 150 Turnovers (KT: 135). The others were all forwards: Dirk, Al Jefferson, LMA. Only Dirk had a higher TS% than KT.

      Really good stuff

    21. “I still think you trade him for Kevin Love, especially since Thompson’s about to be off of his rookie deal and will be getting into the $12m+ range based on the contracts issued this summer to wing players. I do like Klay though.”

      I think this is the critical point, but I’m not even sure you went far enough. I like Klay’s game a good amount also, but I think there’s at least a semi-decent chance he’s about to be a max player or something close to it. In a world where both Parsons and Hayward are more than 15M per season wings somebody is going to make a similar offer to Klay I think. And at that price he becomes more of a millstone than a building block. To me paying very good players like they’re great players is one of the surest ways to lock yourself into the middle of the playoff pack. That’s not the end of the world obviously, but unless another, better opportunity to trade him for a future superstar arises in the next few months I’m not sure how they’re going to leverage him to fleece another team, and if they wanted to be involved in Durant-apalooza 2016 like Hubert suggests, wouldn’t having Curry-Love make them a more appealing destination than Curry-Klay would?

    22. I think that GS doesn’t want to trade Thompson because they like him, not just as a player, but as a person. He’s a nice guy and he works hard and he and Curry have good chemistry. Not that Love is a jerk or anything. But I have absolutely no problem with teams being loyal to players they draft, especially if, as an added perk, they can actually play basketball on a high level. I wish the Knicks invested more in the fun, young, likable, players they’ve had over the years, instead of shipping them out for [fill in best available star at any given moment].

      There’s a lot of talk of LeBron and Durant and the Spurs and the Cavs, but Steph Curry is the single best value in the NBA. He’s on a great contract, and if his trajectory continues, Golden State is going to be among the elite in the west with or without Love.

      Go Golden State. Go Steve Kerr. Go David Lee. (I hope they come out smoking this year).

    23. Pop loved George Hill, who is a nice player, but the Spurs still dealt him for Kawhi. GS should have pulled the trigger on that deal. Klay’s a useful enough guy-he’s an elite 3 point shooter and a solid defender, but Kevin Love is a legit superstar entering his prime.

    24. But see, Hill for Kawhi is an absolutely lopsided trade, and it always was despite initial reports to the contrary. You trade your backup PG for a guy with Leonard’s ability and potential and who has only become available to you due to the collective stupidity of NBA GM’s all day. That’s the kind of lopsided trade championships are built on.

      Klay for Love is a costly trade, and would be more like trading Manu for Leonard, which isn’t something I think San Antonio would have done.

    25. And also, if you sign Klay Thomson to a long-term deal with an AAV of $10-12 million the year before the salary cap shoots up, I don’t think you’re going to be mad about that 12 months later.

    26. @28

      Davis, yes, but he’s on a rookie deal that is certain to be maxed out in 2 years. Curry is going to be in his prime and paid an average of only $11.3 million over the next three years.

      Knicks targeted him and missed by one spot. With all the shitty luck/karma they’ve had, that’s the one that’s gonna hurt the worst.

    27. Here’s my problem with Woj’s Coach K complaints. One of the biggest problems he seems to have is Coach K using his role to get access to the top young talent. So okay, let’s make the USA team 22 or younger. Then Coach K will….have that same access. I don’t get it. It seems more like a general Coach K attack piece, and hey, I have no particular affinity for Coach K (he’s fine, but I don’t love or hate the guy), but I don’t get the point of this attack piece.

    28. Klay for Love is a costly trade, and would be more like trading Manu for Leonard, which isn’t something I think San Antonio would have done.

      Leonard was a rookie, so it’s not really that comparable. Klay and Love are both known commodities. And it’s been established that Love is a far more valuable player than Klay. Any statistical system you want to pick is going to tell you that Love is, at worst, one of the 15 best players in the NBA. Klay is at best, a good SG. SG is not a particularly talent rich position, so a good SG is a pretty nice thing to have, but most NBA superstars in their prime are not available at that price, so I think GS was pretty foolish to pass up the opportunity.

    29. I think Woj is saying that it’s unfair to other college teams that Coach K gets to coach team USA, because he uses it to recruit HS players in a way he wouldn’t be able to otherwise. I guess his point is that a college coach shouldn’t coach team USA

    30. “And also, if you sign Klay Thomson to a long-term deal with an AAV of $10-12 million the year before the salary cap shoots up, I don’t think you’re going to be mad about that 12 months later.”

      Sure, but is there any reason to think they’re going to get that kind of discount? I don’t see any reason to expect him get less than 15.

    31. I think Woj is saying that it’s unfair to other college teams that Coach K gets to coach team USA, because he uses it to recruit HS players in a way he wouldn’t be able to otherwise. I guess his point is that a college coach shouldn’t coach team USA

      But if that’s his point, he didn’t actually make that point. He never says Coach K shouldn’t coach the team, just that Coach K shouldn’t coach a team of NBA veteran stars.

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