Knicks Morning News (2014.07.01)

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony’s tour ready to go in Chicago (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 02:34:03 GMT)

    The courtship of Carmelo Anthony was to begin at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday with the Knicks contacting the prized free agent to reiterate the club is committed to re-signing him.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Make a Splash With Max Deal for Kyrie (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 07:35:53 GMT)

    Kyrie Irving isn’t going anywhere.

  • [New York Times] Attention, Shoppers! Free Agency Opens in the NBA (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 04:32:52 GMT)

    Attention, shoppers! Free agency in the NBA is open, and LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony are available.

  • [New York Times] Kidd Allowed to Go to Bucks After Drew Fired as Coach (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 04:17:46 GMT)

    The Brooklyn Nets have allowed coach Jason Kidd to pursue an opportunity with Milwaukee after the Bucks fired head coach Larry Drew earlier on Monday.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Magic Waives Nelson, Team’s Longest-Tenured Player (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 03:57:36 GMT)

    Jameer Nelson was entering the final year of a three-year contract but had only $2 million of the $8 million remaining guaranteed.

  • [New York Times] Kidd to Bucks After Nets Agree to Deal (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 03:53:50 GMT)

    Jason Kidd had a seat in the coaching box and a jersey in the rafters.

  • [New York Times] Cleanthony Early Won’t Let the Carmelo Anthony Saga Affect Him (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 02:44:03 GMT)

    Cleanthony Early, a forward from Wichita State selected by the Knicks with the 34th pick in the draft, said he would enjoy being teammates with Carmelo Anthony, but that life would go on without him.

  • [New York Times] Donald Sterling’s Mental Fitness Won’t Feature at Clippers Trial (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 02:05:46 GMT)

    The mental capacity of Los Angeles Clippers co-owner Donald Sterling will not be part of an upcoming probate trial over whether his estranged wife had the authority to sell the NBA team, a judge said on Monday, averting a battle over Sterling’s mental fitness.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Sale Hinges on Legalities of Family Trust (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 01:02:59 GMT)

    The $2 billion sale of the Los Angeles Clippers will hinge on the technicalities of family trust law and whether Donald Sterling’s estranged wife had the right to unilaterally negotiate a deal with former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Fire Drew as Coach, Kidd Likely Replacement (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 00:41:48 GMT)

    The Milwaukee Bucks fired head coach Larry Drew on Monday, leaving the way clear for the widely anticipated move by Jason Kidd from the Brooklyn Nets as his replacement.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Jason Kidd Orchestrates a Move Out of Brooklyn (Tue, 01 Jul 2014 00:36:45 GMT)

    Working from the Pat Riley playbook, Jason Kidd winds up with a better payday and situation in Milwaukee.

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    107 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.07.01)”

    1. If the Spurs add Shaun Livingston as it seems possible, they’ll have on their roster Diaw (if resigned, which seems very possible), lite-Diaw (Livingston) and young-slow-Diaw (Anderson). Lots of superior passing!

    2. I think the Bulls and Miami and the Lakers are interested in Melo to in part drive up the price the Knicks might pay. I think the Lakers, while playing in the west, are expressing interest to mess with Phil and possibly drive up price.
      I think if you are looking at the Knicks’ cap space coming, knowing Phil Jackson is running the show, you have to try and make Melo expensive for the Knicks. The Knicks are a rich franchise, and without Tyson this year, and losing almost all salaries next year, Phil gets almost a clean sheet.
      I think too many folks are thinking tactically when they ought to be thinking strategically.
      The Knicks should simply decide Melo is not a max player, set a limit at $18 million a year over five, and anything over that, let someone else pay him. Then use the added cap space to build a core team.
      Stratomatic, there really isn’t an ‘if’ in the equation. Melo is what he is: a scorer who plays a team game for short periods of time, but loses patience with his teammates and reverts to form.
      Durant and Lebron don’t lose patience. They keep working within their team. Melo breaks away. At his age, people changing is the exception.
      If I’ve learned anything on this site over the years, it’s this: after about age 26, players rarely change much.
      Melo had his best year last year. We/he knew it to be a contract year. I don’t believe he’ll post another year like it. It was an anomaly.
      In my heart of hearts, I hope they don’t sign him. He’s an unstable force. Declaring for free agency before last season started was a betrayal and I can’t forgive that. We’ll never know what might have happened with that team had he remained, at least publicly, all in.

    3. In my heart of hearts, I hope they don’t sign him. He’s an unstable force. Declaring for free agency before last season started was a betrayal and I can’t forgive that. We’ll never know what might have happened with that team had he remained, at least publicly, all in.

      I don’t feel like that was a betrayal. He had all the rights in the world to opt out and feel courted (while I’m not sure why a team like the Lakers would want him now, since they are clearly not a contender). And if he wants, he could still make the Knicks a favor accepting a nice discount. I suspect he won’t, though, not even in the form we discussed yesterday (103mln/5yrs, with 2015 and 2016 discounted).

    4. –Durant and Lebron don’t lose patience. They keep working within their team. Melo breaks away

      LOL…have you seen the Knick roster compared to the Thunder and Heat? And those guys have their moments too, lets not exaggerate.

    5. @4 exactly. It’s a total chicken and egg thing. No one complained in 2013 about Melo breaking away until we got to the playoffs and JR Smith and Jason Kidd forgot how to shoot. Literally. What was Melo’s option there? The other season Melo had a high quality supporting group his team made the WCF. When Durant and LBJ get into games and in the playoffs they have literally had #2 and in LBJ’s case in 2011, 2012 and 2013 a #3 guy who could fully carry the load playing the high usg player on the floor at a similar level as LBJ and Durant (Wade maybe Bosh and Westbrook). The reason why the Heat win and Thunder don’t is bc Wade had been able to do that at a similar efficiency. Westbrook cannot sustain that and so the Thunder ultimately succumb. I’m not saying we should pay Melo $130M. But his “losing patience” w passing to his teammates is largely driven most likely by the fact that his teammates suck.

    6. @2 If by Durant “not losing patience” with his team you mean completely deferring to Westbrook and disappearing at the end of playoff games, then I guess you have a point

    7. I don’t feel like that was a betrayal. He had all the rights in the world to opt out and feel courted

      Sure, he has all the rights that his mutually negotiated contract allows. But why did he need to state his personal desires to the public? Almost any other player would have said the overused cliche of: “I’ll worry about that when the time comes, for now I want to focus on winning and my obligation to the New York Knicks”. It’s not that hard.

    8. CBA Explicit In Not Allowing Prearranged Restructured Contracts
      Jul 01, 2014 3:28 AM EDT

      Before the official start of free agency on July 1, Adrian Wojnarowski reported that the Miami Heat had “the framework of deals in place” with LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem to remain with the team.

      “Everybody has their [contract] number and has left a little bit of room to let [Pat Riley] maneuver,” one source briefed on the contract discussions reportedly told Wojnarowski.

      Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234059/CBA-Explicit-In-Not-Allowing-Prearranged-Restructured-Contracts

      Think this has any legs or is it just propaganda?

    9. @7

      I’m not saying I liked it. I only said it was not “betrayal”, but for sure it wasn’t a sign of loyalty. As for the reason, that’s because Melo is (or at least behaves like) a primadonna, and the concept of team-guy seems to be kinda alien to him.

    10. Sure, he has all the rights that his mutually negotiated contract allows. But why did he need to state his personal desires to the public? Almost any other player would have said the overused cliche of: “I’ll worry about that when the time comes, for now I want to focus on winning and my obligation to the New York Knicks”. It’s not that hard.

      –Yea but we have seen for years that Melo says dumb shit to the media all the time. He doesnt have that bullshit filter. He doesnt know how to hide true feelings. I dont think it was malicious in any way, he just answered the question too honestly.

      examples
      Rediculous comment regarding Lin
      Trying harder after Dantoni
      and the list goes on.

    11. Think this has any legs or is it just propaganda?

      That’s propaganda. Everybody does that, even the Spurs did it with Richard Jefferson.

    12. “That’s propaganda. Everybody does that, even the Spurs did it with Richard Jefferson.”
      See Smith, Joe and the sanctions related thereto.
      Re: Harden — I realize that getting him back in a deal for Melo would be great value. However, he is, by far, my least favorite player in the league to watch. I can’t stand the flopping and flailing and, from what I have seen, on defense, he makes Melo look like a cross between Dennis Rodman and Paul George. If the Knicks end up with him, I’ll root for him, but I won’t like myself for doing so.

    13. See Smith, Joe and the sanctions related thereto.

      Yes, but they left behind a plethora of documents about it! All it takes is a verbal agreement without witnesses and you’re good to go.

    14. First, I’m more optimistic that Melo re-ups. The moves by Jackson already made that more likely but the Bulls went the wrong way with their cap space if they wanted Carmelo Anthony when they got Anthony Randolph.

      I’m starting to believe the Paul Gasol rumors and I think what could work in the Knicks favor is a backloaded deal for Gasol, where he gets little money in 2014-15 but a big bump in 2015-16 and beyond. I’m just not sure how the cap works when you do something like that. Any thoughts?

      However, adding Gasol to this Knick team suddenly makes the Knicks very attractive, IMO.

      Imagine:
      Starters: Gasol, Anthony, Stoudemire, Calderon, Smith
      Bench: Dalembert, Bargnani, Shumpert, Prigioni, Hardaway + Odom, Larkin, Tyler

      Also, I see the Knicks getting a banger with the mid-level exception.

    15. If Anthony re-signs, we won’t have a mid-level exception and we’ll have had to use the mini-mid on Gasol w/ that line-up. I guess if we could find a way to unload Smith we might have the mid-level and the BAE, is that right?

    16. I’m starting to believe the Paul Gasol rumors and I think what could work in the Knicks favor is a backloaded deal for Gasol, where he gets little money in 2014-15 but a big bump in 2015-16 and beyond. I’m just not sure how the cap works when you do something like that. Any thoughts?

      I don’t think there’s the possibility of a contract structured like that. The most you can do is (if I’m not mistaken, and I think I’m not since I wrote this yesterday) an increase/decrease of 7,5%. So if Gasol comes over for, say, 5mln in 2014-15, the max you can give him in 2015-16 in the same contract is 5,375mln. If you thought about giving him a 1yr deal for 5mln and then a new 20mln/2yrs deal, you can’t unless you are under the cap, since you won’t have Gasol’s Bird rights. All told, if Melo is here, I think you can nab Gasol with the full MLE for three years, unless the Lakers want JR in a sign and trade, but why should they?

      Calderon-Smith-Anthony-Stoudemire-Gasol is maybe a pretty idea on offense, but on defense they’re toast.

    17. Don’t think we’d start Amar’e or JR. I see a more likely starting line-up as Calderon-Shumpert-Anthony-Gasol-Dalembert — while that might not be great defensively, it’s certainly decent and would presumably be pretty sweet on offense.

    18. Hmmm, and a second unit of Pablo-Jr-Early-Stat-?(let’s hope it’s Cole) would not be bad, if Early has some defensive chops. The question is: where does Tim Hardaway Jr fits in all of this? Wouldn’t we be better gauging his trade value?

    19. @16 – I think you are correct about the 7.5%.

      @17 – It’s my opinion that if Woodson had started JR and Stoudemire in December the Knicks would’ve made the playoffs and Woodson would be the coach. Stoudemire can’t play more than 25-30 minutes a game and will need random days off, but otherwise he looked like he was back close to his 2011-12 self. And few of these Knicks know how to play defense. Dalembert and Shumpert might be the only ones that I would rate above average.

    20. There’s Larkin too… safe to say someone is gonna get traded, hopefully for a defensive big/wing.

    21. I defend Carmelo saying whatever he wants about his own contract. He’s a corporate employee of a billion-dollar industry, not a Spartan warrior-slave.

      I even wish more players would be as upfront about their status as employees who are free to get what the market determines their value to be.

      If he has allegiance to anyone, it should be his teammates and coaching staff, who struggle with him on the court during the heat of competition. Not the overly-sensitive fans who get pissy over who decides to no longer be an employee of Cablevision, Inc.

    22. Just saw that the union is recommending that players structure their paychecks so that a year’s worth of pay is paid out over 18 months so they are “protected” in case of a future lockout. Am I missing something? why wouldn’t you just tell players to escrow the money themselves so they have it in hand but inaccessible except in emergencies? unless you’re so afraid that players will raid the escrow if it’s under their control?

    23. I disagree, friends.
      People can say what they want sure. But melo chose to risk alienating teammates by saying he planned to seek free agency, before the season started. It’s hardly an endorsement of your teammates.
      If you’ve ever played a team sport, that’s not what you say. Melo has a penchant for saying and doing some dumb things.
      As for patience, Melo’s history of impatience predates the Knicks, and he had a better supporting cast then. Let’s not be intentionally myopic.
      Snipe all you want at Durant. He’s one of the most complete players in the game. He has a very good point guard who tends to try and take over games. He plays within that because he knows to win, he needs his point to be aggressive and confident.
      And in the OT loss to the eventual champions, Durant put up 31 pts, 14 boards, and three blocks, shooting just under 50% on 25 shots.
      Westbrook was 8-23, but got to the line a ton getting 34 pts.
      Westbrook blew the OT. He was horrible, and when your point goes south against a great team, you lose.
      Hardly blame that on Durant.

    24. If he has allegiance to anyone, it should be his teammates and coaching staff, who struggle with him on the court during the heat of competition

      But Anthony screws his teammates and coaches more than anyone by announcing his private business matters to the media. He wants to the the “franchise player”, but he has no idea what is best for the franchise outside of his own personal needs. This isn’t about corporate slavery, THCJ. Melo didn’t make a political statement, or take a socio-economic stand. He merely failed PR 101, and his teammates had a miserable season and his coaches got fired.

    25. @25 Wow. Screws his teammates? By answering a question about free agency….im sure other players have opt outs and their other teammates knew that they would opt out.

      “He merely failed PR 101, and his teammates had a miserable season and his coaches got fired.”

      so this is a cause and effect huh? Not JR and Stat havin offseason surgery/being suspended or Tyson breaking his leg and not giving a fuck. Bargnani, Felton……

      nope its cuz melo sucks at dealing with the media, got it thanks

    26. I’m confident that Melo is returning, but I doubt Gasol is coming here. Maaaaybe on one-year deal.

    27. Stratomatic, there really isn’t an ‘if’ in the equation. Melo is what he is: a scorer who plays a team game for short periods of time, but loses patience with his teammates and reverts to form. Durant and Lebron don’t lose patience. They keep working within their team. Melo breaks away. At his age, people changing is the exception.

      Frank O,

      I don’t disagree with you, but if we sign Melo at the max or very close, that’s the only thing I have to hang my hat on for the next 5 years. Maybe if we put together a deep enough team of players he respects, it will be different.

    28. Melo is gonna return and he is going to get the full max too. With LeBron saying he wants the max this time and Kobe’s contract plus comments regarding this I dont see Melo taking much less than the max if he even takes less. With the way the players got screwed with the new CBA wouldnt be surprised if the players who are capable of getting the max are determined to get it now and dont want to be helping owners now in regards to taking less and helping them stay under the luxery tax etc.

      Thats one place where Dolan as an owner is an advantage, he isnt cheap and is willing to pay whatever it takes, of course thats usually never a good thing lol. I want Melo to return but obviously realize a max contract is not a good thing at all for the Knicks but you know what?? Ive read already a bunch of crap from writers and fans talking about what a loser Melo would be if he signs for the max and how greedy he would be and it shows he isnt a winner. What other sport do players get ripped for making the most money they can make other than the NBA?? I know they have a salary cap but its pretty ridiculous how NBA players are supposed to not make the most money they can because of morality. Total bullshit.

    29. If he has allegiance to anyone, it should be his teammates and coaching staff, who struggle with him on the court during the heat of competition. Not the overly-sensitive fans who get pissy over who decides to no longer be an employee of Cablevision, Inc

      But isn’t saying you will possibly be leaving the team next season a distraction to the teammates and coaching staff you’re loyal to? Aren’t they now not convinced you are only thinking about winning a title this season? Just seems like a dainty position to take just to defend a guy you don’t even really know.

    30. if we sign Melo at the max or very close, that’s the only thing I have to hang my hat on for the next 5 years. Maybe if we put together a deep enough team of players he respects, it will be different.

      Stratomatic
      I see what you mean. I guess we’re all in that boat.
      I’m hoping he over plays his hand and Phil let’s him walk.

    31. If Melo insists on the max, Jackson should let him walk. It will be very disappointing if he ties up the Knicks’ next five years with a max contract for a guy with a career .138 WS48 heading into his thirties. It’s just a bad basketball move, plain and simple.

    32. Melo could have signed a three year extension before the season began and this team still would have missed the playoffs.

    33. Wow. Screws his teammates? By answering a question about free agency….im sure other players have opt outs and their other teammates knew that they would opt out.

      “He merely failed PR 101, and his teammates had a miserable season and his coaches got fired.”

      so this is a cause and effect huh? Not JR and Stat havin offseason surgery/being suspended or Tyson breaking his leg and not giving a fuck. Bargnani, Felton……

      nope its cuz melo sucks at dealing with the media, got it thanks

      ER:
      Respectfully, this is an over-simplification.
      A lot of players have opt outs. But i can only name one who announced his intent to opt out before the season started. I can only recall Melo doing it. Perhaps you can name another.
      So, yes, what Melo did was different and atypical of NBA players.
      As for cause and effect, Melo is understood to be the highest paid and best player on the team and as such the tantamount team leader. As a result, he bears a disproportionate share of the responsibility for outcomes.
      What a leader says matters. That’s why good leaders get so much attention. If a good leader can alter a team by words and example, so too can a bad leader.
      Certainly, JR and Felton played terribly.
      But the 2012-2013 Knicks were a more together team than the 2013-2014 team, and I think Melo gets a big share of why the dynamic shifted.

    34. Thank you Hubert, these ppl make no sense. What the hell does a contract have to do with the season, especially if they guy made his decision already

    35. As a fan, I don’t care about what it costs the owner to field a contender, and I don’t care what it costs the players to be on a contender. Obviously, owners that spend win fans because they win games, and players that take less money are easier to root for because they allow for better players to play with them.

      The problem here is that Knicks are not going to contend for a championship if he’s making $24il a year. They’re highly doubtful to contend if he is making $18-$20 million.

      If Melo fans want to watch him average 30 a game next year on a mediocre team, then slowly break down over the next 4 years, that’s fine for them, I guess. But it sucks for everybody else.

    36. With the way the players got screwed with the new CBA wouldnt be surprised if the players who are capable of getting the max are determined to get it now and dont want to be helping owners now in regards to taking less and helping them stay under the luxery tax etc.

      I agree with you entirely in terms of sacrificing so the owner can avoid paying the luxury tax. If I was a player I wouldn’t give up a nickel for the benefit of the owner. That’s not what this is about (at least for the Knicks). It’s about fitting more quality players under the cap in the next few years.

      If Melo could get 30m and not impact the rest of the team, I’d be fine with that. But if you really want to win a title and you look at the salaries of the Spurs, hear that Bosh/Wade are going to take less over the next 2 years than they are already owed, you have to take less also or be considered more motivated by money than winning. I don’t even have an issue with that as long as you are quiet about winning being the most important thing. The rest is being self centered on my part. I want to win and I think Melo has to take less for us to accomplish that goal given that other top players are taking less than their fair market value these days just to win.

    37. Thats true DW, Im not arguing against that. My thing is Ive read a shitload of stuff already (not even talking about people on this site) talking about how Melo should voluntarily take less money and if he doesnt he is a loser. Really?? Bulls writers are already ripping him if he makes the Bulls give him the max which means they have to gut their team a bit. Melo would be making them do it?? If the Bulls dont want to do it then they shouldnt do it and say they cant offer him the max. If the Bulls gut their team and sign Melo for the max why is that Melo’s fault and not the Bulls’ fault??

    38. Melo could have signed a three year extension before the season began and this team still would have missed the playoffs.

      Hubert:
      This team won 54 games the year before. Sure, injuries and probably Brgs were bad for the team, but the 17 game drop was pretty radical.
      It could have been far worse. They finished 16-6.
      There was something wrong with the dynamic. They got their mojo in March, but it was too late.
      They under-performed.

    39. I hear you stratomatic and as someone who actually wants Melo to stay trust me I will be pretty pissed if he stays for the max. But you know what, Im not gonna be pissed at Melo and call him a loser and greedy because he is getting the most money he can get.

      I will say Im dreading this site the next few years if Melo stays for the max, the comments on Melo here will become even more insufferable than they already are lmao.

    40. Well, you replace Kidd and Novak with Timmy and Bargnani, you get bad dynamics. I don’t like Melo much as a basketball player, but we sucked last season because we weren’t putting good players on the floor, not because Melo was opting out.

    41. The Knicks having a bad year because Melo claimed he wanted to opt out is complete BS. What a ridiculous claim.

    42. The Knicks having a bad year because Melo claimed he wanted to opt out is complete BS. What a ridiculous claim.

      CaptainB:
      Really? This is hard for you to believe?
      The highest paid, best player, leader or your team…the guy you sent away all your youth for…the man, on all the billboards, the face of a franchise…announces before the start of a season that he intends to consider offers from other teams, and you think that has no effect on a team’s psyche?
      So if what a leader does is meaningless, why do we even talk about leadership? We know good leadership has notable effects on teams. So why then is poor leadership suddenly irrelevant?
      No, any suggestion that this has no impact is BS.

    43. Just dropping by to wish to everyone who cares about USA in the World Cup good luck. I notoriously root for losing teams, so it’s not a good omen that I’ll be rooting for USA against Belgium… still, go USA!

    44. So if what a leader does is meaningless, why do we even talk about leadership?

      Carmelo has never been a leader for this team.

    45. Just dropping by to wish to everyone who cares about USA in the World Cup good luck. I notoriously root for losing teams, so it’s not a good omen that I’ll be rooting for USA against Belgium… still, go USA!

      +1000

    46. The Knicks having a bad year because Melo claimed he wanted to opt out is complete BS. What a ridiculous claim.

      Melo made a power play in training camp. That play gave him power, and everything the front office did was about making Anthony happy. That seemed to include not firing the coach, who committed about 25 fire able offenses in the course of turning a 54 win team into a 37 win team.

      Melo and his poor leadership may not be the only reason the Knicks sucked this year, but it’s not ridiculous to claim that it didn’t help.

      And, going forward, why would they want to pay him leadership money when he’s a demonstrably poor leader?

    47. No, Melo is not a “loser” if he signs a max contract. Whoever offers him the max contract is the “loser,” and if that person is Phil Jackson, we can come to only one of two conclusions:

      1. James Dolan is still running the Knicks, or
      2. Phil Jackson doesn’t know what he’s doing.

      If Phil can’t see that a max contract for Melo is about as good an investment as a pile of beanie babies or pets.com stock circa 1998, it’s probably time to give up the dream that the Knicks are ever going to be anything other than mediocre.

    48. Sorry. Bargs. Bargnani. Lol

      –Hey Frank O, i knew who you meant i was trying to say DEFINITELY Bargs lol

    49. Wow, Lebron is the freakin’ man. Who in the world opts out, says “You guys better opt out also and take drastic pay cuts while I get a pay increase because if you don’t then I’m just leaving” and then the other guys just say yes? Hilarious/impressive.

    50. Bosh is crazy to take that deal– he’s probably leaving $35M on the table, possibly even more. If he’s a free agent, he gets at least 5/90. $35M is a LOT of money to give up so you can be LeBron’s teammate.

    51. $12M plus is still not that much to fill the roster out is it? I mean 2M will probably go to Haslem right which leaves 10M to go after FA/s

    52. Ive read a few reporters tweet that their info says Wade and Bosh are not willing to take that big a paycut so we will see in the end what their final numbers are.

    53. The thing is, if those guys don’t BOTH take pay cuts like that, it will be very hard to really upgrade the team very much. Say Wade agrees to the $12M but Bosh insists on $15M, that leaves you with like $6M to spend after you re-sign Haslem.

    54. I wonder how Kobe is going to feel the moment he realizes the Lakers are going to be a last place team in the west and his salary gives them little to no chance to contend the following year either.

    55. Is this a play to remove one of the three by offering such a low contract? How bad would it be for Bosh to balk and look elsewhere only to have Lebron have a change of heart and sign for less. I doubt that happens but if it did, wow.

    56. Jodie Meeks just got 6.3MM/year (3 years 19MM) from Stan Van Gundy. What is Melo worth then? 50MM/year?

    57. Anyone who thinks we can’t move Calderon at some point needs to realize Jodi Meeks just got 19 million for 3

    58. Interesting part of the Miami scenario is that LeBron apparently only wants to sign a one or two year deal. So the scenario could happen that Bosh and Wade both sign long-term contracts leaving $35M+ on the table and LeBron still leaves in a year. That’s asking an awful lot of the SuperFriends.

      If LeBron signs a one-year deal, that will be pretty mind-blowing, because it would once again open up the possibility of LBJ to NYC.

    59. D’Antoni should get a commission from almost every player he coaches as soon as they leave him. In his system, it’s not unusual for players to get way better looks than they would ordinarily get. That combined with the faster pace tends to improve a player’s TS% and also per game and per 36 stats.

      No way Meeks get that kind of money other than D’Antoni turning him into TS 60% player. They even think Swaggy P is a good player out on LA. lmao

      It’s comical. D’Antoni had one of the worst teams in the NBA, the worst fit for his system, a ton of injuries, and he’s considered the worst coach in the world out in LA, Yet a bunch of his ex players (including a few that should be in the D league) are going to get new and better contracts. lmao

    60. Everyone knows the Heat were in the finals the last four years and won twice, right? They really don’t need much more than LBJ, Wade, and Bosh.

    61. NYK doesn’t have to give Carmelo the max and shouldn’t. They have a number of dollar figures they could offer which would blow all others out of the pool, but which still don’t approach a max figure. We need to figure out what we can afford to give him and stick to it, knowing that it’s probably his best offer financially. If he wants to leave, LET HIM. Don’t kill the team Phil! When we got Melo, he was great but we killed the team. He was worth a lot but not everything we gave up. The team got worse.

      Meanwhile, people diss Melo by saying he’s only as good as Dantley or Aguire. Well, those guys were pretty good. I’m of the impression Melo deserves a fat deal, but no one is more important than the team. The Knicks have been a broadway show for too long. Is Phil just the new ring master or are we going to get serious about basketball now?

    62. “Anyone who thinks we can’t move Calderon at some point needs to realize Jodi Meeks just got 19 million for 3”
      Wasn’t there a debate here just yesterday over whether Melo would be overpaid at $12 million a year (ok, maybe not really a debate but, rather, Jowles throwing something out there hoping to start a fight, but still)? And someone is paying Meeks over $6? Wow. I think Chris Bosh might decide to rethink taking a deal for $11 million…

    63. Why do we have to compare deals? 19mln/3yrs for Meeks seems laughable (we’re talking about Stan Van Gundy, though. He knows what to do with streaky shooters). But it doesn’t justify the max for Melo.

      Re: Miami. If Bosh takes even a penny less than Wade he’s crazy. Wade is a Miami icon, this we get it. But no way he is not the less valuable of the three right now. Strange way to manage this deal. If things doesn’t pan out in another day, I guess the super friends are done.

      Go USA! Damn Wondolowski, he really threw away a super occasion.

    64. It’s comical. D’Antoni had one of the worst teams in the NBA, the worst fit for his system, a ton of injuries, and he’s considered the worst coach in the world out in LA, Yet a bunch of his ex players (including a few that should be in the D league) are going to get new and better contracts. lmao

      You know who would agree with you? Mike D’Antoni. ;)

      But yeah, this Meeks deal is hilariously bad. I like Meeks a lot, but not just $6 million a year but for three years? Huh?! Although SVG is smartly adding three-point shooting to a team that desperately needs three-point shooting.

    65. If he has allegiance to anyone, it should be his teammates and coaching staff, who struggle with him on the court during the heat of competition. Not the overly-sensitive fans who get pissy over who decides to no longer be an employee of Cablevision, Inc.

      Spot on there mate.

      I honestly don’t think we need to worry too much about the Melo deal if he stays. I think Phil understands the situation. If Melo does get paid, I can see it being front-end load to allow a little more flexibility over years 3-5 maybe. Kind of offering Melo remuneration for the team potentially sucking in 14-15 ha ha

      Not sure about getting Gasol on board either. Maybe for a 1 year deal, but I feel he’s well and truly on the decline. Not saying he wouldn’t be handy to have, just as far as value goes, I think if we go after him it has to be on the cheap. Although I guess you ideally want to get all FA’s on the cheap ha ha

      Just dropping by to wish to everyone who cares about USA in the World Cup good luck. I notoriously root for losing teams, so it’s not a good omen that I’ll be rooting for USA against Belgium… still, go USA!

      Disappointing result in the end, but at least the US got out of the group stage. Australia were cooked before the World Cup even started ha ha

    66. I can’t see Gasol taking a huge discount to play in NY. Players will sometimes do that if they are desperate to win a ring. Gasol already has a couple and has better options for a ring if he’s inclined to take less than fair market value. All that said, I think he’s on the decline.

    67. I wasn’t starting a fight by saying Carmelo was worth $12M a year, tops. I wouldn’t even want him for that price. That’s what I think he’s worth. The market says otherwise, I guess. Doesn’t mean the market is rational.

    68. Gasol made what, 19 million last season? The only way I see him on the Knicks is on a one year deal where he thinks the triangle would rejuvenate his career enough to make him more mmoney, but even that sounds unlikely

    69. Gortat was one guy who really could have helped the Heat, but… guess not!

      Now it seems that the initial reports of Bosh and Wade signing for $11M and $12M respectively were way premature. Bosh and Wade have the same agent, and here’s a quote from him: “All the BS you are reading is just that.” Bosh can easily get a 5/90 deal and there are plenty of teams with cap space, and he’d have to be a damn fool to give up $35M just so LeBron can have Kyle Lowry as a teammate.

    70. I’m wondering..and some of yal here are more knowledgeable of cap ramifications so I need help understanding..why did we not tender Murry? Don’t get me wrong, I do love Shump..but is the defensive drop off that far from Shump to Murry? Yea Shump is more versatile defensively cuz he can check the 1, 2 and 3 with some success- and Murry only 1, and 2. And Shump’s more physical. But the way I see it..they both are huge risk takers, and are not really that much different in the way their ability relates to their roles. I’m not a “Dump The Shump” advocate..but it would seem like the team should stay younger and get cheaper at guard while the drop off isn’t too severe. I know it sounds crazy but hear me out. Both guys can be nice 3 and D guys. Offensively Murry adds better playmaking. Defensively Shump brings more size and physicality, allowing him to hang in there against forwards. But..if Thanny (sorry..getting his name right give’s me fits) really is closer to the 6’7″ 215 he’s listed at on the team roster instead of the 6’6″ 205 he was listed at on draft night, and as athletic and defensively capable as scouts say- we shouldn’t miss a lot if we move Shump and keep Murry. I’m thinkin that if OKC is really interested in Shump- as they should be sans Sefalosha- Phil can probably get a 15 1st rounder for him, giving us 2 1sts in next years draft. With the addition of McGary, Presti might even be willing to throw in a Perry Jones. Again..I don’t know the cap ramifications of not tendering Murry..or how much he would cost us to retain him with the rumored interest in him around the league. It just seems, on the surface, to me that Murry might actually be a better fit going forward especially since Shump is a tradeable asset. Hell, if Phil can get the package he got for Chandler and Felton, I’m sure he can get some real value for Shump. Then again..i’d much rather have JR moved..but that’s another story lol

    71. I understand that Murry is still young and maybe have some “upside” but I don’t understand all this love.

      The guy was terrible in limited minutes and his time in the D-League was, at best, unremarkable.

      If Felton was still the starting PG, sure, give him a shot, but thank god that’s not the case anymore.

    72. I don’t think Murry showed much of anything last year that I’d care that much about losing him or that he could replace even the decent, but nothing special two-way production of Shump.

    73. Cole>>>>>>>>>>>>Murray.

      He was worth a look last season, but now I’d rather see if we can get something from Larkin

    74. “I wasn’t starting a fight by saying Carmelo was worth $12M a year, tops. I wouldn’t even want him for that price. That’s what I think he’s worth. The market says otherwise, I guess. Doesn’t mean the market is rational.”

      In this case, it does. The “market” includes some of your favorites, like Morey. All of a sudden, he’s irrational?

    75. Sorry to be lazy about this but is there any way we could legally trade Melo and JR for Boozer, Butler, rights to Mirotic, the nonguaranteed contracts, CHI 2016 #1 and swap in 2017 while still getting under the apron so we can do either full MLE or receive a player in S&T?

      I would do that In a second if the money works. Get pick plus Mirotic plus butler plus dumping JRs salary.

    76. On a completely different topic, I happened to flip to MSG tonight when they were running an Amare’s greatest hits countdown from the 2010-2011 season. Awesome highlights, the guy was ridiculously explosive and basically unstoppable, and you could hear the MVP chants from the Garden crowd.

      I don’t think there was anyone back then who said we wasted a max contract on Amare Stoudemire.

    77. I don’t think there was anyone back then who said we wasted a max contract on Amare Stoudemire.

      The other four years, notsomuch.

    78. There is no way to fit JR Smith into a Carmelo S&T to Chicago unless either (1) Melo takes a huge discount or (2) Gibson comes in addition to Boozer. I don’t see either happening.

    79. With Murry there was no reason to guarantee him a roster spot. He’ll almost certainly still be available if the Knicks want to give him a summer camp/training camp invite so with the roster already heavy with guards it’s better to maintain a little flexibility. And he kind of stunk last year so there’s that too.

    80. @89 I wasn’t implying that it was the greatest signing in the history of free agency, just remembering how phenomenal (to use his favorite adjective) he was in his first season with the Knicks.

      It’s just sad that his body broke down, he was an athletic freak of nature that season.

    81. How many SF’s are there that are better than Melo ? How many of them are available that we have an opportunity to get if he does leave ? Do you honestly believe that under Phil Melo will not change his ways and become a much better and productive player all around ? Have you seen what he has done with so many other players ? You seen how many of those players deteriorate in different ways once they left his leadership ?

      Point being I don’t see how anyone can say he is not even worth 12m. That’s just an idiotic statement at best. Even last year under woodson he was worth so much more than that. The kid can play period. Plus the fact that he gives his all each night is a plus. Not saying we should give him the max but I am saying compared to contracts that are given out around the league he still is worth it

    82. For the purposes of this exercise, let’s just pretend an s&t is in the works. Need some help from Ephus on this, probably…

      The fact that Gibson was allegedly at the recruitment dinner seems to suggest that he’s part of the core roster that is being pitched to Melo. However, if we refuse to take back Boozer and force them to amnesty the dude,, wouldn’t Taj HAVE to be included to make it work?

      If so, could this work: Melo for Butler/Gibson/Mirotic/20151st? If we assume Melo’s first year comes in around $20mm…would we have to add anything from our side or would they have to also include Dunleavey to line $s up?

      I’d be pretty damn happy with that scenario…am I pipe-dreaming?

    83. However, if we refuse to take back Boozer and force them to amnesty the dude,, wouldn’t Taj HAVE to be included to make it work?

      No, if they amnesty Boozer he no longer counts against the cap– the only thing he costs them is Jerry Reinsdorf’s money. Taking Boozer back is the Knicks’ best bet in a sign-and-trade, because in that scenario we’re giving the Bulls both Melo AND $16M. They’d have to give us back something of value in return.

      I’m hoping Phil Jackson punts 2014-2015, so I’m fine with Boozer stinking up MSG for a season until his contract expires. If we’re taking back Boozer, there are two pieces I would really want: Butler and Mirotic. Those guys are both valuable long-term pieces.

    84. Miami might get their Big 3 re-signed, but I have a hard time seeing how they’re going to improve a lot on the roster they had last year. They pick up Shabazz Napier, but he’s kind of a wash with Mario Chalmers and might in fact be a downgrade. Kyle Lowry is a pipe dream, Marcin Gortat has already re-signed with Washington and most of the other names they’re considering don’t inspire a lot of fear, and don’t really help them with their weaknesses– rebounding and defense.

      The names they’re linked to as of now are guys like Luol Deng (may be too expensive), Josh McRoberts, Isaiah Thomas, Trevor Booker, Vince Carter… It just shows how hard it is to put a competent roster together when you have no young, rookie contract players to give you cheap production.

    85. @Frank #87 The answers to your questions are Yes! and Yes!

      Part 1 – Does trade work?
      Knicks: Max Melo (22.5) + JR (5.98) = 28.5
      Chicago: Boozer (16.8) + Butler (2.0) + Brewer(1.31) + James (1.45) + Amundson (1.31) = 22.86

      22.86 times 1.25 = 28.575 > 28.5 so meets 125% matching requirement.

      Part 2 – Enough below apron after trade to use mle?
      Boozer (16.8) + Butler (2.0) + Amare (23.4) + Bargs (11.5) + Shump (2.6) + Prigioni (1.66) + Hardaway (1.25) + Calderon (7.1), Dalembert (3.87) + Larkin(1.60) + Ellington (2.77) + Tyler (1.0) = 75.55 + mle 5.305 = 80.85 less than 81 (projected apron).

      Notes:
      (1) I’ve presumed we dump Brown, Odom, Brewer, James, Amundson.
      (2) No cap holds needed since there are 12 players above.
      (3) Not sure about Early/Greek but I think we could waive Ellington and recoup part of his salary.
      (4) If Chicago wants more, Prigs or THJ using Deng’s 2m trade exception and Tyler -> Teague excep. Also Randolph/Snell for Dalembert swap would work.
      (5) Offering buyouts below contracted amts could net some more cap space (e.g., Boozer/Bargs).
      (6) Remember we would not able to go above 81m apron so there would have to close management of roster.

    86. Isiah Thomas with LeBron James just isn’t fair. He’s a downgrade defensively on Chalmers, but offensively he’s a lot better. I think LeBron needs to leave Miami if he wants to win at least another 3 championships. Miami doesn’t have a future and he should know it. And quite frankly, the fans in Miami (at least the ones who attend the games) do not deserve 41 home games from the planet’s greatest athlete. If I’m LeBron, I’m signing on for one more ride (at the max because screw Mickey Arison) and bolting to NY to play Phil Ball with Melo. The best thing for his brand is winning in New York, even though Houston offers him the best chance to win championships.

    87. Just a few more notes to my last post. If we shave 2m more off our cap we would be able to offer 2m bae to Aldrich or some other player. If we shave even more, we might be able to do a S&T for Pau or Mills (Larkin/Early/Ellington for Pau or Mills) and use mle on Mills, Pau, or Mirotic. Our total salary, however, has to stay below the apron. How do we shed more salary? Once we’re below the apron, the 150% match would apply. So after Melo trade, we could send Dalembert/Prigs in exchange for Randolph/Snell shedding 2m. We could also offer Bargs/Boozer buyouts of 9m and 14m respectively saving us over 5m. An Amare buyout at 18m would net another 5m.

      I advocated something similar to your scenario a few days ago. I think Chicago is gonna want more to take JR and give up Mirotic and Butler; we could give them Dalembert and Prigs taking Randolph/Snell. They might want to keep their draft picks and I wouldn’t hold up any deal because of that. They might also want either THJ or Shump; I’d give them THJ but not Shump. The positives of Mirotic + Butler – JR + mle + bae + S&T would be more than enough for me. Ideal: develop Shump/Butler/Cole/Tyler/Mirotic?/Mills?, show promise as team but end in lottery.

      My guess is Knicks have made an offer to Melo. If he wants to go to Chicago, I don’t think Phil will stand in his way. Nobody wants a player on his team who really doesn’t want to be there. Phil would have some leverage if Chicago wants Melo since outright signing is very tricky and really in nobody’s best interest. Chicago, on the hand, has plenty of options other than acquiring Melo and would walk away if price of S&T is too high. It wouldn’t surprise me if Phil and Gar have already talked about the core of a deal in the event Melo wants to join Chicago. My guess is Jax would want Mirotic/Butler and Chicago would be amenable so long as Knicks give them a few other pieces like Dalembert/THJ/Prigs. Lots of permutations but a deal is there.

    88. Just as I was typing posts #97 and #99, this news hit the wire: Free-agent point guard Patty Mills will have shoulder surgery for a rotator-cuff injury that bothered him during the season and will likely be out until at least January. Hey maybe this is a blessing in disguise for us. If Melo leaves, next year will be devoted to development/tanking so 7 months isn’t a big deal for us. His injury may scare off a lot of teams. Looks like Spurs are favorite to sign him – huh, didn’t he want to be a starter? Spurs are like 10m under the cap so let’s offer Calderon for Mills in S&T once we’re under the apron after Melo walks or is S&Ted. Throw in Early if required. Dude shot lights out despite that injury. Mills is one tough Aussie and gots more spunk than a kickin’ kangaroo.

    89. Not sure that Mills is our guy, though. He went bonkers in game 5 of the Finals, and we know he can score. But I don’t think he can be a capable starting point guard, because while in the Triangle you don’t need a drive and kick PG, he’s not tall and/or big enough to get the starting nod. As a 7th man, I would love him. As a starting PG, much less.

    90. Patty Mills to me is more of a BJ Armstrong type PG if comparing to former PG’s who played in the triangle for Phil.

    91. Ok, fair point. I’ll say that Mills makes sense to me only if we retain Melo (not for the max, please) OR get a similar player in terms of creating something on his own (Harden?).

    92. Agree BBA, here is the Armstrong, Mills comparison. Mills stats are better than both Armstrong and Fisher (closer to Armstrong) and he’s just entering his prime. Armstrong’s highest WS/48 for a season was .152 and Mills just posted .175 on 1500 minutes. Parker’s contract is up at the end of this season and Parker/Duncan/Ginobli will probably ride off into the sunset together. I think Spurs will able to re-sign Mills by promising him the starter role or significant minutes if Parker returns. Doesn’t hurt to throw 5.3m mle at Mills to sign him outright or offer Calderon in S&T.

    93. Wizards were paying Lewis $20million plus per year and they got nowhere (in fact, they were paying him still whilst playing for the Heat) if you get offer to play for that much money, why would you not take it.. Bargnani not opting out coz not risking $12mil on the table. If team amnesties, trades or waives a player, it’s just business. Players who can command is just reciprocating

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