Knicks Morning News (2014.05.06)

  • [New York Daily News] Kerr’s Knicks decision expected later this week: source (Tue, 06 May 2014 02:33:42 GMT)

    With all signs pointing toward Steve Kerr joining Phil Jackson in New York, a source close to the TNT broadcaster says the process “should pick up momentum” by the end of the week.

  • [New York Times] Paul Scores 32; Clippers Roll Past Thunder 122-105 (Tue, 06 May 2014 07:11:49 GMT)

    Chris Paul got the best of Russell Westbrook in a matchup of two of the league’s best point guards.

  • [New York Times] Paul Scores 32; Clippers Roll Past Thunder 122-105 (Tue, 06 May 2014 05:47:43 GMT)

    Chris Paul and the Los Angeles Clippers showed what they can do when their minds are on basketball.

  • [New York Times] Paul Helps Clippers Silence Thunder in Opener (Tue, 06 May 2014 05:44:34 GMT)

    Chris Paul missed just two shots in a stunning 32-point display as the Los Angeles Clippers blasted the Oklahoma City Thunder 122-105 on Monday to seize a Game One victory in their Western Conference semi-final series.

  • [New York Times] Clippers 122, Thunder 105: Clippers Surge Past Thunder in Series Opener (Tue, 06 May 2014 04:43:28 GMT)

    Chris Paul made a career-high eight 3-pointers and scored 32 points for Los Angeles in Oklahoma City.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Wizards Surprise the Pacers (Tue, 06 May 2014 04:05:24 GMT)

    Washington beat host Indiana behind 25 points from Bradley Beal and 22 from Trevor Ariza as the teams’ Eastern Conference semifinals series got underway.

  • [New York Times] Wizards Draw First Blood Against Pacers in Playoffs (Tue, 06 May 2014 03:47:35 GMT)

    The youthful Washington Wizards showed no signs of wilting in the heat of the playoffs as they beat the top-seeded Indiana Pacers 102-96 in their Eastern Conference second round series opener on Monday.

  • [New York Times] Wizards Take 1-0 Lead With 102-96 Win at Indiana (Tue, 06 May 2014 03:23:44 GMT)

    Washington keeps finding ways to break through old, stubborn barriers.

  • [New York Times] Now Comes Chapter 5 in Players’ Rivalry (Tue, 06 May 2014 02:19:55 GMT)

    LeBron James has tangled with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce in the postseason on four previous occasions, all of the battles occurring when Garnett and Pierce played for the Boston Celtics.

  • [New York Times] If Nets and Heat Are Not Yet Rivals, Their Players Are (Tue, 06 May 2014 02:15:13 GMT)

    The uniforms have changed, but the Nets’ Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett have a notable history against the Miami Heat’s LeBron James in the postseason.

  • [New York Times] Marquee Matchup of Playoffs’ Second Round Has Star Power to Spare (Tue, 06 May 2014 01:44:28 GMT)

    After splitting their regular-season series, the Los Angeles Clippers and the Oklahoma City Thunder were scheduled to begin their Western Conference semifinal series Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets 97, Raptors 83: Hobbled With Ankle Injury, Williams Carries Nets to Game 7 (Tue, 06 May 2014 01:14:57 GMT)

    Deron Williams fought through pain to finish with 23 points, 5 rebounds and 4 assists, helping the Nets avoid elimination with a 97-83 win against the Raptors.

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    71 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2014.05.06)”

    1. Could you imagine what this board would be like right now if Roy Hibbert played for the Knicks and he was playing like he is currently playing? Here are a few numbers — in his last 12 games, he has gone scoreless in 5 and has had 3 games of 0 points/0 rebounds. In 7 of those games, he hasn’t taken a single foul shot. He shot 6 for 10 in game 7 but, except for that game, he’s shot 26% from the field. He’s never been known as a good passer but, in over half of those games, he hasn’t registered a single assist. And, with the except of his outlier of 5 blocks in game 7, he’s averaged well under a block a game. I’ve been watching the NBA since the 60’s and I can’t remember a single instance of an all-star stinking up the end of a season and the playoffs as badly as Hibbert is stinking things up right now.

    2. I had as many points and rebounds as all-star center Roy Hibbert last night!!!!! He beat me by 1 assist though.

    3. The Hibbert thing is truly mind boggling, there has to be something going on physically or mentally with him. I have a hunch we’ll find out once the playoffs are over.

      However, his ineptitude in game 1 helps divert attention from the fact that the 2 “stars”, George and Stephenson, were a combined 8-30 from the field. I think they used up all their energy prancing up and down the court in game 7 vs. the Hawks.

    4. Knicks traded for Andrea Bargnani to counter Hibbert with… Little did they know Hibbert would counter by becoming Andrea Bargnani!

      (If Woodson was still around, I’d be preparing for a Hibbert to NY trade. Despite it all, he remains big, man)

    5. Knicks traded for Andrea Bargnani to counter Hibbert with… Little did they know Hibbert would counter by becoming Andrea Bargnani!

      So we won the Bargnani trade after all, right!?

    6. Definitely only the Knicks can wreck a whole season by over-preparing for a matchup with a player who is setting records for ineptitude.

      Some thoughts on the late game: Obviously it’s hard to take too many positives from a drubbing like that if you’re OKC but I saw some things I liked for them as the series moves on. For one, Griffin was unable to get anything working in his iso/post game against Ibaka. He was forced to settle for a lot of long 2s – that’s a win for OKC in the long run even if a few of them went in last night (seriously, nobody’s intentional bank shots look more unintentional than Blake’s) . And while it got lost in CP3’s unreal shooting, Westbrook was able to get whatever he wanted on the other end as well. Obviously needs to tighten up some turnover sloppiness but 29 points in 30 minutes on 9-14 from the floor is awfully good. Durant didn’t shoot the ball great but he got good looks on offense too.

      Clearly plenty of defensive issues for OKC to clean up, but some of what happened was just insane shot making and people always overreact to game 1. I still think it’s going to be a really long series. Indy-Washington on the other hand? Indy better figure some things out quick. Washington isn’t great, but they’re a whole lot better than Atlanta and playing with a lot of confidence right now. I don’t think they’re going to let Indy off the hook like Atlanta repeatedly did. Indy is playing for their season tomorrow.

    7. Gilbert Arenas is really doling out the haterade by gallon. Hahaha. The reporter sticking the mic at the garbage can was particularly mean/funny.

    8. Only if we had a good deal for Chandler. Otherwise Chandler and Hibbert are redundant. I’d much rather get a guard for Bargnani.

      And by the way, I think Bargs would do alright in the Triangle. I am not so sure Hibbert would.

    9. I think Bargs would do alright in the Triangle.

      Allow me to give you the list of offenses that work well with a poor shooting big man who doesn’t rebound:

    10. Hibbert has an extra year on his contract. I would say no. Whatever Bargs is, he only lasts through 2015.

    11. I’m not saying Bargs is a great shooter, but for the Triangle you need someone who can shoot midrange shots or drive to the hoop. Bargs is better than Hibbert at both those things. And the triangle is an offensive system, so rebounding competence isn’t very relevant to ability to function in the system.

      Defensively, I think Hibbert is way better Bargs, so we have no argument there.

    12. The thing is Bargs is bad at those things for a basketball player. Everyone gets so hopped up about a seven footer that shoots threes and dribbles without taking notice of the fact that he sucks at it. What the triangle needs is someone that can make mid range shots, you could train a monkey to shoot if that is all that we want. I thought a half season of clanging wide open shots was lesson enough.

    13. “What the triangle needs is someone that can make mid range shots, you could train a monkey to shoot if that is all that we want. I thought a half season of clanging wide open shots was lesson enough.”
      I don’t have the stats in front of me but I’m pretty sure that the one thing that Bargnani is very good at is taking — and making — mid-range shots (it was 3 pointers, not mid-range jumpers, that he was bad at). By the way, if it was so easy for guys to learn how to shoot jump shots, Felton and Shumpert wouldn’t be such putrid shooters and Chandler might actually be able to hit a shot from more than 6 inches from the rim.

    14. You may be right about the mid range percentages. Maybe it’s a nitpick but the distinction between taking and making shots is a pet peeve.

    15. And the triangle is an offensive system, so rebounding competence isn’t very relevant to ability to function in the system.

      Offensive rebounding is really good for an offense. I’m pretty sure the triangle can survive a bigman who can’t shoot for shit, since Phil Jackson managed to win 72 games in a season with Dennis Rodman clogging the middle and not spacing the floor.

    16. Mark Jackson is out in Golden State. I want no part of him on the Knicks, but many are assuming that Kerr might want that job more (family in San Diego, knows the owner, it’s not the knicks).

    17. Please, for the sake of League Pass gold, let the Warriors hire MDA.

    18. Jackson deserved to go, but man, it is weird to see a guy fired whose team loved him sooooooooooo much. Usually you start to hear some backbiting by this point but instead everyone was not only not attacking him, they were all defending him. Compare that to, like, one Knick sticking up for Woody and it is a striking result.

      And yeah, can you imagine D’Antoni with that team? Holy shit!

    19. And yeah, can you imagine D’Antoni with that team? Holy shit!

      Curry=Nash 5.0

      Yeah Curry gets to skip versions 2.0-4.99999

    20. “Cole Aldrich is next Dennis Rodman!!”
      Do the Knicks have Aldrich under contract for next year? It would be typical Knicks for him to become Rodman 2.0 while playing for the Heat next year…

    21. Mark Jackson’s firing is Phil’s first big test. Is his aura + relationship with Kerr enough to keep Kerr from going to what’s an obviously better situation in terms of talent and proximity to family?

      Have we heard about any other viable candidates other than Kerr?

    22. There literally is not another candidate other than Kerr. It is kind of hilarious. That’s one major knock on Jackson, he’s so out of touch with the modern NBA that he literally does not have a Plan B right now if Kerr doesn’t take the job, since he wants a smart, young brand-new coach that he’s familiar with, which is pretty much just Kerr.

      I think if Kerr somehow went to Golden State then the Knicks would seriously be down to, like, hiring Jim fucking Cleamons (kill me now!).

    23. Do the Knicks have Aldrich under contract for next year? It would be typical Knicks for him to become Rodman 2.0 while playing for the Heat next year…

      They do not, but I don’t think Aldrich is getting an offer larger than the one that the Knicks can give him (a 20% raise on this year’s vet minimum salary). What I fear is not him being signed away, but rather that the Knicks might not want him back.

    24. I don’t think the GSW are a better option than the Knicks for a rookie coach like Kerr. They have just fire a coach whose players, specially his star player, loved. Also even if he hasn’t been the best coach in the league he’s done a good job so some pressure would be there (I don’t know if any rookie coach can truly believe his gonna do much better than Jackson right away).
      On the other hand in the knicks you get a free year just to get some experience (if you think you are going to do worse than Woodson just continue broadcasting) and look at what you’ll need to build a competitive team for 2015, your boss is the best coach in the history of the game and has said that believes in how you see basketball. I understand the family thing can be a problem but man, if you want to coach and you have 0 experience on the sidelines this is as good as you are going to get.

    25. If Kerr really wants to run the triangle he has to go to GS right? Having bigs who are willing and able passers like Lee and Bogut would make things a whole lot easier. The fact that they were actually worse than the Knicks offensively last year (and remember the Knicks zoomed right back to #3 in the league once Bargs went on the shelf so while the Warriors offense looks much better on paper it might not be any better in actual fact) might give him pause though it’s pretty easy to blame that on Jackson.

    26. On Cole Aldrich, a team that wanted him could offer a two year contract at the veteran minimum with a player option on the second year.

    27. “And by the way, I think Bargs would do alright in the Triangle.”

      There is no geometric shape associated with the game of basketball in which Bargnani would do alright.

    28. The best situation for Kerr is to be as far east on the map as humanly possible.

    29. It is so crazy how bad that Warriors offense was with all of that offensive firepower.

    30. If Kerr falls through, Phil will just choose another triangle disciple. Anyone will be better than Woodson.

    31. By the way, how in the world is Lionel Hollins a possibility to replace Mark Jackson? How does that compute in any way, shape or form?

    32. If Kerr falls through, Phil will just choose another triangle disciple. Anyone will be better than Woodson.

      I agree with the latter point, but as to the first point, the issue is that there aren’t many triangle disciples out there. Which is why if Kerr falls through, Jim Cleamons (an awful head coach) might very well become the frontrunner, simply because he knows how to run the triangle. And that’s scary. He won’t be as bad as Woody, but he’s no great shakes himself.

    33. “The best situation for Kerr is to be as far east on the map as humanly possible.”

      Wouldn’t that be on some atoll in the Pacific? How would that further his career?

    34. Despite the money he got for taking the job, I think Phil ultimately took the job because he is convinced that he can build a winner in relatively short order here. I think that Kerr reveres Phil, is loyal to him, and believes they can do it together. I would be beyond shocked if Kerr backs out at this point, it just does not seem to be in his makeup to spurn his buddy and mentor so publicly after a month stringing him along in the press.

      Kerr will be the Knicks’ next coach. L-L-L-L-OCK IT UP!!

    35. Also, doesn’t the fact that Kerr endorsed TH2 for ROY suggest that he is buttering him up for when he takes the job? :)

    36. Do you think Golden State management had a meeting to decide Jackson’s fate, and when they voted, it was “hand down, man down”?

    37. Phil Jackson has earned my trust that he has a well-reasoned plan for (a) hiring a coach, (b) shaping the roster and (c) implementing offensive and defensive schemes that fit the talent.

    38. I agree that he has a well-reasoned plan, but sources are saying that his well-reasoned plan revolves entirely around hiring Kerr to the point where he currently doesn’t have a back-up choice.

      Although, yeah, Z-Man, I wouldn’t be shocked by them going to Fisher if need be. Heck, I think there’s a decent chance Fisher is on the staff next year even if Kerr is the had coach.

      That said, yeah, I agree that the odds are very, very good that Kerr will be the next head coach.

    39. The reason I want Kerr as head coach is because he is obviously by far Phil’s 1st choice. If he is Phil’s 1st choice than he is mine too lol.

    40. So Dirk came straight out today saying that he was going to take less money to stay in Dallas. Pressure really mounting on Melo to take less.

      I think Kerr is coming. Way too far along in the process from what it sounds like. And it also sounds like Kerr and Phil have a real connection beyond the fact that Kerr sort of knows the guys in Golden State.

    41. KG giving us his best Hibbert impersonation tonight and he still didn’t manage to fail as hard

    42. Resigning Cole should be our top priority. You can’t win without players.

    43. Funniest part was Woodson saying at the end of the season Cole’s strong play was due to the coaching staff working with him all season long.

    44. He also made sure to let us know Cole deserved a roster spot somewhere.

    45. I just had the most terrible premonition that, in this next offseason, Buford and Pop would trade away their Fake Big Three for Bargnani, since, you know, it’s all Pop’s system and the Real Big Three that make the Spurs’ “role players” so good, and, in the most unsettling surprise ever, Bargnani became an All-NBAer and Kawhi Leonard became Bradley Beal 2.0.

      Chills.

    46. I just had the most terrible premonition that, in this next offseason, Buford and Pop would trade away their Fake Big Three for Bargnani, since, you know, it’s all Pop’s system and the Real Big Three that make the Spurs’ “role players” so good, and, in the most unsettling surprise ever, Bargnani became an All-NBAer and Kawhi Leonard became Bradley Beal 2.0.

      Good job. You showed that straw man who was boss.

    47. It’s important to provide caricature when you don’t actually intend to get a response in the first place. Who cares? I say Kawhi Leonard is a fucking genius at basketball and he is, and it’s all because of how also good Tony Parker is. Damn the box score! Womp & womp.

    48. Danny Green has a 76.3 TS% in the playoffs so far, but is only getting 4.4 shots per game. Popovich must be an idiot. He should be giving him the ball on every play not Tony Parker. It’s not like Parker’s penetration helps generate open looks for Danny Green he could not generate otherwise. If only Cock Jowles was their coach….

    49. I think it is clear that Chandler still has a lot of value out there in the league. The Knicks just had no interest in dealing him this past season. So I don’t think the Knicks will have much trouble finding a taker if/when they decide to deal him. The problem, of course, is that it is even harder to tell Melo to re-sign with you, at a discount, when you plan to trade Chandler for presumably future returns.

    50. I really don’t want Chandler back but I think we’re better off keeping him initially and dumping him when he has a good start to the season since we know he’ll be trying during his contract year. I don’t think his decline went unnoticed around the league this season.

    51. The problem, of course, is that it is even harder to tell Melo to re-sign with you, at a discount, when you plan to trade Chandler for presumably future returns.

      That’s definitely true. Maybe you re-sign Melo and wait until the trade deadline. If the team is a shit show again, you move him and if Melo doesn’t like it, well, he’s already under contract.

    52. I really don’t want Chandler back but I think we’re better off keeping him initially and dumping him when he has a good start to the season since we know he’ll be trying during his contract year. I don’t think his decline went unnoticed around the league this season.

      His decline didn’t go unnoticed, but he was still a very good player with the decline (especially since everyone in the league knows how moronic Woody’s defensive system was with regards to Chandler – it specifically worked against his strengths – who in the world pays a guy $14 million mostly to play defense and then devises a system that prevents said player from playing defense the way that he is best used?!), so he’s still an in demand player.

    53. Chandler I would think would draw huge interest because he is entering the final year of his contract. Teams would be willing to take a gamble on him regaining his form from the last couple of years since its only for 1 year. Problem is what could the Knicks get for a player on his final year of his contract. If they can get multiple teams in a mini-bidding war that would help I assume.

    54. Yeah, what they could get in return for him is what I don’t get. The teams who want him will presumably be vet teams without much future returns to give the Knicks. Like the Mavericks. They don’t have a lot to trade.

      But again, even if we think that they should be looking for future returns, maybe that’s not what Jackson is looking for, especially if he wants to entice Melo to stay.

    55. Yeah boohoo our system sucked. I don’t feel bad for Chandler and even given how bad the system was it’s not exactly like even when we played better at the end of the season he was some big difference maker. He decided as soon as the season went south he was going to mail in the rest of the year and then throw everybody else under the bus come hell or high water afterwards so that the “Chandler is a great locker room leader” Mike Breen myth could continue. I know his TS% was super high and he rebounded pretty well, but imo he was definitely not “a very good player” last year and hasn’t been since the clock hit 2013.

      Teams still want him because they know he’s better than how he played, but he killed his value and won’t really garner much unless, as BigBlueAl mentioned, we can generate some kind of bidding war which I don’t think is likely. I’d much rather get him in for the beginning of the season and have him dominate and compete hard for the first 15-20 games and then dump him if we can get a competent rotation center on an expiring or on a cheap deal, and then either a pick or a young player on a rookie contract or if we get lucky both. If we could get Perkins, Jones III and a pick from OKC I’d make that trade right now.

    56. Yeah boohoo our system sucked. I don’t feel bad for Chandler and even given how bad the system was it’s not exactly like even when we played better at the end of the season he was some big difference maker. He decided as soon as the season went south he was going to mail in the rest of the year and then throw everybody else under the bus come hell or high water afterwards so that the “Chandler is a great locker room leader” Mike Breen myth could continue. I know his TS% was super high and he rebounded pretty well, but imo he was definitely not “a very good player” last year and hasn’t been since the clock hit 2013.

      Teams still want him because they know he’s better than how he played, but he killed his value and won’t really garner much unless, as BigBlueAl mentioned, we can generate some kind of bidding war which I don’t think is likely. I’d much rather get him in for the beginning of the season and have him dominate and compete hard for the first 15-20 games and then dump him if we can get a competent rotation center on an expiring or on a cheap deal, and then either a pick or a young player on a rookie contract or if we get lucky both. If we could get Perkins, Jones III and a pick from OKC I’d make that trade right now.

      It’s not like the Knicks tried to trade him and couldn’t. They never made him available. He is still a sought-after commodity. Not as much as he was the year before, true, but that’s as far as I’ll give you – “Not as sought after as he was the year before.”

      The issue is what to try to get for him. What can you get for him that won’t piss Melo off?

    57. I don’t think Anthony would miss Chandler. I remember reading Ruruland writing here last summer that he thought Chandler needed to be traded. I don’t think he would have written that if it went against the Anthony party line.

      Regarding Dallas, what salary do they have to match up with Chandler? Perhaps a 3 team trade that nets NY Josh Smith or some other “win now” piece to appease Anthony could be arranged, but Dallas would still need to send $14 mil out.

      And, finally, it would be really cool if Steve Kerr coached the Knicks. I hope it happens.

    58. I agree he’s not as sought after as he was the year before which is why I’m saying we should keep him and hope he balls hard at the beginning of next season and trade him while his value is high. If he continues his sulking, half assed effort act then whatever we suck it up, eat the last year of his deal and get a fresh slate next season. Unless we are getting a great offer him which is beyond an expiring and a late first rounder, I’d rather just keep him under next season and see how the market for him develops. I completely expect Chandler to play very well next season in his contract year so I think we can extract more at that point and avoid at least in Melo’s eyes, the perception we would weaken our odds of competing next year by trading Tyson.

    59. @Z

      Exactly Melo doesn’t seem like he’s really attached to Tyson in any way. Also I think Dallas can take on salary without shipping any out over the summer since they’ll be under the cap, which is why this trade probably wouldn’t even take place until free agency starts.

    60. Could we do a sign and trade for Isaiah Thomas with Travis Outlaw, Jason Terry and picks for Tyson Chandler?

    61. Don’t think so. DeMarcus Cousins is a center with a nice shooting touch, so he could play some PF, put a Tyson-DMC-Gay-McLemore-McCallum has some serious spacing issues. Maybe if we throw in THJ and a 2nd rounder, but then again, why would we? Thomas is a nice player, but makes little-to-no sense in the Triangle.

    62. “Good job. You showed that straw man who was boss.”
      I’m sure that you have figured it out by now but, just in case you haven’t, here’s how things typically go — Jowles makes a comment that is so ridiculous that even he can’t possibly believe that it’s true (e.g. Andre Drummond just had the best rookie year of any center in the history of the NBA.) Then, 50 people respond with reasonable arguments (e.g., Drummond had a real good year, he was much better than I expected, he’s probably the steal of the draft, but to say that he had a better rookie year than Unseld, Chamberlain, Alcindor, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, etc., might be taking things a little too far). Then, Jowles berates us for saying something that no one said (e.g., I can’t believe you morons think that he’s not a great rebounder!). I think that Jowles claims to be a professor. I’d love to sit in on his class. I imagine that it would go something like this —
      – Jowles — “The North won the Civil War for one reason and one reason only — General Obscure Nobody won the Battle of Nowheresville.”
      – Various Students — “General Nobody did a nice job, but didn’t Grant and Lincoln have something to do with it?”
      – Jowles — “You’re all a bunch of idiots!! How can you sit there and say that General Nobody was a traitor??”

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