It Wouldn’t Have Been the Knicks

Since the Hawks pulled off their stunning Game One road upset over the top-seeded Indiana Pacers, a large sum of Knicks fans have voiced their envy, and hastily cobbling together e-protest signs with “That could have been us!!” scrawled in bold, all-caps fonts.

It’s only natural to have these feelings as a fan, but to say the Gothamites too would’ve knocked off the Indianans largely inaccurate. Here’s why.

Even without the crippling chemistry issues that have been made apparent in past weeks, the Hawks would give the Pacers a ton of problems with their spaced out starting lineup. Three Hawks starters shoot above the 35% mark from downtown, including the league’s top “DEAR GOD. DON’T LEAVE HIM OPEN” guy, Kyle Korver, and the stretchy, versatile PF, Paul Millsap. The other two spots are manned by guys that shoot the three at a 32% clip: Jeff Teague, Atlanta’s lead dribble-drive threat, and center Pero Antic.

What makes this lineup so deadly against the Pacers is their ability to pull key defenders out of help positions, knowing good and well the last thing Indy wants to do is up is the three ball. So instead of Hibbert being able to slide over and contest, he remained wary of the shooters at Atlanta’s disposal, leading to either easy scores inside or out.

Take for instance this Teague drive, where Hibbert glues himself to Millsap in the corner, leading to two points for Atlanta.


On this play, David West helps on a Teague drive, leaving Paul Millsap wide open for three.


The biggest beneficiary of Indiana’s defense being spread thin was Hawks point guard Jeff Teague, who lit up the Pacers for 28 points. Teague is one of the fastest players on the ball, though his ability to change speeds and hesitate to set up a defender (though effective) can make his ludicrous speed less immediately evident. He was at his road runner-esque best in Game One, slicing and dicing even a noted perimeter defender like George Hill.

They finished 18th in offensive efficiency during the regular season, but the Hawks finished with 101 points and an offensive rating of 112.4, even versus  the league’s top defensive squad. The Knicks finished as the league’s 11th best offensive team (and 4th since Bargnani’s injury), so you might assume that the ‘Bockers too would’ve lit up the scoreboard.

The transitive principle (alas) doesn’t apply here. The Knicks have abandoned any resemblance of the space-hungry team they were last season when Carmelo Anthony played the four. Even though the team’s offense picked up considerably in the 2nd half of the season, Amar’e Stoudemire’s promotion to the starting five made New York a three-out team compared to Atlanta’s five-out approach. If you’ve followed this team all year (I’m so, so sorry), the idea that they could have adjusted is a stretch, considering former head coach Mike Woodson faced this same problem in last year’s postseason and made changes that were detrimental to the spacing issue – moving Kenyon Martin into the starting five – instead of helpful.

The Hawks ran an abundance of clever sets to get looks for their shooters: weak side flares, pin downs for Kyle Korver, things the Knicks simply don’t do. One relevant measure would be the Hawks finishing second in the NBA in assist ratio, while the Knicks were 25th.

Where Jeff Teague excelled, Raymond Felton would falter. With Roy Hibbert and co. able to help, Felton would have a tougher time finishing around the basket, if he even got there. Hill is much better equipped to check the slower and worse-handling Felton than he is the blistering Teague.

On the other end, Atlanta was able to take full advantage of a lifeless Pacers offense. Lance Stephenson and Paul George took turns isolating for the majority of this game, a terrible strategy that was shut down by Korver and DeMarre Carroll – criminally underrated system defenders.

Against the Knicks, Indiana would be able to generate countless mismatches because of New York’s tendency to switch at every given opportunity. So while Indiana’s offense has often been a bleak joke, it would be marginally better if, say, Lance Stephenson ended up being defended by Tyson Chandler, or if Roy Hibbert went up for a putback with only a confused and/or disnterested J.R. Smith available to box out.

In addition, Hawks head coach Mike Budenholzer flexed his creativity in a manner that caught the normally rock-solid  Pacers off guard. It’s certainly possible that the creative sets that were everywhere during the 2012-13 season might have returned. It’s also possible that I’m writing this while riding on a unicorn that burps bearer bonds. In the opening minutes of the second half, Budenholzer had his team trap high pick and rolls with Hibbert, forcing the center to try and make a play from the top of the free throw arc. Despite Indiana having the 4-3 advantage, Hibbert wasn’t able to make a play and the Hawks opened up the third on an 8-0 run.

And what about Carmelo’s shoulder? Melo was diagnosed with a labrum tear but played through the pain for two weeks, shooting under 40% from the field and just 20% from downtown during these contests. The team announced surgery wasn’t necessary, but with those shaky shooting numbers and moments of visible pain from Anthony, it’s tough to pinpoint how much he would physically be able to bring to the table.

To say the Knicks would steal one on the road against the Pacers in convincing fashion would be willfully disregarding exactly what kind of team the 2013-14 Knicks are. Remember, even during the team’s  push to nab a postseason bid, the Knicks gave up 51 points in a quarter to the Lakers. The Knicks couldn’t execute in the final minutes against the Wizards. The Knicks showed no desperation, determination or heart until it was too late. The notoriously crummy Hawks faced and equal or greater number of crippling injuries as the Knicks and had a worse roster on paper to begin with. They made it, the Knicks didn’t. They put on a textbook performance in enemy territory and it’s pretty to think the Knicks would’ve done the same thing; the facts just don’t bear that out.

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David Vertsberger considers himself a precocious neophyte, writing for ESPN TrueHoop site HawksHoop as well as Hickory-High. A member of the younger generation of Knickerbocker fans, his fondest memories of years past have been the trade for Larry Hughes and Nate Robinson scoring 41 following a month-long benching.

19 thoughts to “It Wouldn’t Have Been the Knicks”

  1. Well done, David. This piece is Zach Lowian. Excellent detail.

    I found that game to be so frustrating not because I thought the Knicks could have done that if they had made the playoffs (they couldn’t have, they would have run ISO-Melo and Indy’s defense would’ve eaten it up), but because it shows how easy it would have been for us to beat Indiana last year if our coach wasn’t Woodson.

    I’m so glad he’s fired.

  2. You forgot to mention how the Knicks making the playoffs would have meant another week (two at most, I agree, we weren’t beating them, even if they are coached by vastly overrated Vogel) of the Mike Woodson Show. Now, I’m not with the crowd of people who want Denver to land the #1 pick and select the next wave Face of the League, simply out of spite. But I also don’t think I would have really enjoyed watching Woodson try to match Indiana’s front-court size again; though watching him manage to pull that off while playing Cole less than 2 minutes a game would have been fascinating.

  3. Great post.

    I agree with your points that the Knicks did not have the roster this year to take advantage of the Pacers in the way that the Hawks did in Game 1. Last year, of course, is another story.

  4. God, Chris Weber is color commentating the Hawks/Pacers game…I’d rather listen to Reggie Miller gush about 8 points/9 seconds for 2.5 hours

  5. The Pacers have to regret their trade deadline moves. Evan Turner has been awful. Losing Granger hurt cohesion.

    If the Pacers lose this series, there will be major changes. I expect Hibbert to be traded for Brook Lopez.

  6. Ok, so seriously – given these sudden midseason chemistry problems that sprung up for the Pacers…who boned whose girlfriend/wife? That’s gotta be the explanation, imo.

  7. Ok, so seriously – given these sudden midseason chemistry problems that sprung up for the Pacers…who boned whose girlfriend/wife? That’s gotta be the explanation, imo.

    Yeah that’s the only thing I could think of

  8. Was the stripper Roy Hibbert’s girlfriend? Because dude’s been slowly fermenting dog shit since February. There’s your #1 culprit for how mediocre the Pacers have been.

  9. Ephus that seems like an extemely radical trade, Hibbert for Lopez. They would basically have to completely reinvent themselves as a team.

    I think they’d just fire Vogel and keep the core guys in place.

  10. Great piece. Can’t believe Fields is on floor for Toronto. And just as I write that he makes a crucial steal…

  11. I agree that it would be radical to trade Hibbert. It is also radical for a 1 seed to lose to any 8 seed, let alone a 38 win team.

    If the Pacers win this round, I do not see it happening. But if Hibbert and his teammates leave on this note, someone has to go. George is not getting traded, so Hibbert would have to go.

  12. Fields, Novak, Z-Bo, Beno, Ariza, Harrington, Brewers, Copeland, Lin, Lee, Crawford. Feels like a lot of ex Knicks still playing. Then Jackson, Rivers, Kidd, Brooks and Thibs on the sidelines. Six degrees of Knickseration. Who did I miss?

  13. Nene was drafted by the Knicks and immediately traded to Denver. If Brewer counts, so does Nene.

  14. Not sure Melo would solve things in Chicago right now (as in, CHI-WAS series). They have horrendous spacing and them guys are gassed. Still a miracle job by Thibs, only problem is that running into the ground your players in the regular season (mind you, he couldn’t have done anything different, the guy won’t tank with a gun to his head) doesn’t translate well in the postseason. Next year, Rose-Butler-Melo-Gibson-Noah would be downright scary and a lock for #1 in the East. Still lots of spacing issues, but if Memphis can make it work, why not?

    IND-ATL: No way Indiana is going to lose this series. Still, 4-2 should qualify as a major disappointment against a team like the Hawks (you have to marvel about the wonderful job Budenholzer has done… and they’re not finished yet! When Horford comes back, and if they’re able to add a quality wing… ouch), and you’re damn right something is rotten in the way of chemistry there. Very bad body language by almost everyone (I encourage you to go see a particular possession here: That team can’t win anything if they can’t identify and succesfully remove the cancer. I don’t know who that is, but I’m going to put my two cents on Paul George. He still gets great numbers, but behaves like an asshole, much more so than Lance.


    Looks like it was Stephenson who caused the latest issue, but who knows what started it. Remember they also brought in Bynum at one point. They aren’t trading George so if they have a disappointing post season lance and Roy are the only trade pieces they could get assets for. Overall I think they still get to the conference finals in such a weak east but there are 3 or 4 teams playing better basketball than them.

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