Game Thread: Knicks @ Pistons, but in England

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  2. Forced to watch at buffalo wild wings, with music absolutely cranked. :(

    Ready to see Shump back in action. Hoping he has some tenacity, but takes it easy on that knee

  3. Is it just me or does it look like everyone is playing in slo-mo?
    Good shooting to start, but everyone looks absolutely sluggish

  4. SHUUUUUUUUUMP

    How about this start, guys?

    It’s so nice to see perimeter D with some bite and backbone.

  5. Someone remind Copeland that when he is on the floor with Melo and JR, and Kidd, there is no need to shoot the ball

  6. if cope ain’t shooting, there’s no reason for him to be on the floor. he’s got game like me

  7. 6 turnovers in this quarter now.

    True, but the Pistons are playing like such garbage that I don’t think it’ll really matter. But yeah, against a better team I’d be a bit concerned.

  8. now this was a startingneup that we can get bed. shum to help with ball handling and defense. cope at the 3 to provide spacing and allow melo to play at the 4. the question is when felton comes back do we move shump to the bench to form a dynamic benhc duo with jr or to we keep him at the 2 and allow kidd to help prigs run the second unit

  9. let me try that again.

    now this was a starting lineup that we can get behind. shump to help with ball handling and defense. cope at the 3 to provide spacing and allow melo to play at the 4. the question is when felton comes back do we move shump to the bench to form a dynamic bench duo with jr or to we keep him at the 2 and allow kidd to help prigs run the second unit

  10. Brian Cronin: True, but the Pistons are playing like such garbage that I don’t think it’ll really matter. But yeah, against a better team I’d be a bit concerned.

    They’ve been better of late. Drummond seems like the real deal.

  11. They’ve been better of late. Drummond seems like the real deal.

    Oh yeah, I meant just in this particular game. Going into the game I was at least a little concerned about the Pistons but then they started the game so poorly I can’t bring myself to worry much about them. The Knicks have this in the bag.

  12. Brian Cronin: Oh yeah, I meant just in this particular game. Going into the game I was at least a little concerned about the Pistons but then they started the game so poorly I can’t bring myself to worry much about them. The Knicks have this in the bag.

    Your unshakeable confidence really has no place on the internet.

  13. So how has Shump looked? I’m still at work so I can’t exactly tune in lol, this is so damn early…

  14. maxwell_3g:
    let me try that again.

    now this was a starting lineup that we can get behind. shump to help with ball handling and defense. cope at the 3 to provide spacing and allow melo to play at the 4. the question is when felton comes back do we move shump to the bench to form a dynamic bench duo with jr or to we keep him at the 2 and allow kidd to help prigs run the second unit

    It’s not a playoff lineup. Camby needs to start when he gets back.

  15. Turnovers aren’t SO terrible. Two of them are travels by Kidd which, frankly, I sure as hell didn’t notice.

  16. Juany8:
    So how has Shump looked? I’m still at work so I can’t exactly tune in lol, this is so damn early…

    Jumper a lot more quiet. Hounding defense on Prince. Went over screens. Looks great.

  17. So how has Shump looked? I’m still at work so I can’t exactly tune in lol, this is so damn early…

    He looked fine. The Pistons were mostly trying to go inside while he was in the game, so we didn’t see his man to man defense too much, but he looked good out there. And aggressive as always, hounding guys and fighting over screens!

  18. Now that the third best player in the NBA is in the game (has been for a few minutes now) I expect Detroit to go on a huge run here.

  19. ruruland:
    Now that the third best player in the NBA is in the game (has been for a few minutes now) I expect Detroit to go on a huge run here.

    And right on cue, Drummond flushes home an offensive board.

    “BUT HE CAN’T CREATE!!!!!”

  20. Drummond’s combination of size and athleticism could really be terrifying if he starts to understand the finer points of the game.

    B.S. calls on both ends of the court there — Amare’s foul and then Drummond’s. At least their are consistent, I suppose.

    Remember when Tayshaun was good? Feels like forever ago. Melo abused him left and right on both ends of the court

  21. Drummond should look into the Rick Barry method. That form is UGLY. The pause, the angle of his wrist on release. Just ugly.

  22. Michael Cline:
    Drummond’s combination of size and athleticism could really be terrifying if he starts to understand the finer points of the game.

    B.S. calls on both ends of the court there — Amare’s foul and then Drummond’s. At least their are consistent, I suppose.

    Remember when Tayshaun was good? Feels like forever ago. Melo abused him left and right on both ends of the court

    I’m no coach, but he may want to work on his free throw shooting a bit.

  23. Michael Cline:
    Drummond’s combination of size and athleticism could really be terrifying if he starts to understand the finer points of the game.

    B.S. calls on both ends of the court there — Amare’s foul and then Drummond’s. At least their are consistent, I suppose.

    Remember when Tayshaun was good? Feels like forever ago. Melo abused him left and right on both ends of the court

    The guy is a stud with a great ceiling, no question. Longer span than Oden, every bit the athlete he was coming out, obviously minus pretty much all of the skill.

  24. The Knicks are using British guest physical trainers? I can’t decide if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

  25. my last post was a reference to the late actor Conrad Bain, who I am assuming is deceased.

  26. DRed: I’m no coach, but he may want to work on his free throw shooting a bit.

    Sure. But you can’t help but see the Dwight Howard comparisons. The guy is lightening quick off of his feet, and yet built strong enough to defend the largest guys in the league

  27. Michael Cline: Sure. But you can’t help but see the Dwight Howard comparisons. The guy is lightening quick off of his feet, and yet built strong enough to defend the largest guys in the league

    more Oden than Howard.

  28. My heart almost feel out of my chest after that foul on Chandler lol. Thank God he looks to be alright.

  29. ruruland: more Oden than Howard.

    I don’t see that, but just my opinion. I”m a life long Ohio State fan, born and raised. I watched Oden play in high school while I attended college in Indiana, and on through his short college career. In my opinion, Drummond is more athletic, like Howard

  30. Michael Cline: I don’t see that, but just my opinion. I”m a life long Ohio State fan, born and raised. I watched Oden play in high school while I attended college in Indiana, and on through his short college career. In my opinion, Drummond is more athletic, like Howard

    Yeah, Drummond seems more fluid. But Howard was much smaller coming out.

  31. my last post was a reference to the late actor Conrad Bain, who I am assuming is deceased.

    Did you seriously not know that he died yesterday? If not, that’s kind of an insane coincidence.

  32. ruruland: Yeah, Drummond seems more fluid. But Howard was much smaller coming out.

    It helps that Oden was 35 when he graduated high school
    :)

  33. I just got a text from a friend who’s over in London this week for work. Lucky bastard is in the 5th row. I don’t think he’s gone to a game at the garden in like 7 years.

  34. The Honorable Cock Jowles: http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/det?direction=desc&sort=per48_points

    What is he bad at? Scoring? Or getting that little ginger boy to play his more than 19.7 MPG?

    Dude, nobody is disparaging Andre Drummond. I think 100% of us would kill to have him on the Knicks bench giving 25 minutes a night. ruru derided the fact that by some metrics, Drummond is considered the 3rd best player in the NBA, which, I’m sorry, IS LUDICROUS. But is he bad? Hell no. He’s awesome and should play more. Your constant bating and straw-manning is so, so very pointless and misplaced.

  35. Way off topic since I know there arent too many baseball fans here but seeing the WBC rosters today and man it really sucks how much USA players obviously dont give a crap. Their roster is so much weaker than it could be. Real disappointing.

  36. Brian Cronin: Did you seriously not know that he died yesterday? If not, that’s kind of an insane coincidence.

    oh my god!!!!!!!!!! I had no idea!!!!!!!!!

  37. BigBlueAL:
    Way off topic since I know there arent too many baseball fans here but seeing the WBC rosters today and man it really sucks how much USA players obviously dont give a crap.Their roster is so much weaker than it could be.Real disappointing.

    What’s even more disappointing to me is that Andy Pettite does give a crap.

    This is not much of a showcase for basketball. I wonder how the Pistons wound up getting picked for this?

  38. BigBlueAL:
    Way off topic since I know there arent too many baseball fans here but seeing the WBC rosters today and man it really sucks how much USA players obviously dont give a crap.Their roster is so much weaker than it could be.Real disappointing.

    The WBC takes place during American spring training, but in the middle of the Korean and Japanese seasons. I don’t blame teams like the Yankees barring their players from competing. Imagine a guy like Tex or CC going down with an injury in relatively meaningless international competition.

  39. STAT has looked pretty robust in the post so far. Hopefully this is his offensive game further rounding into shape.

  40. DRed: What’s even more disappointing to me is that Andy Pettite does give a crap.

    This is not much of a showcase for basketball.I wonder how the Pistons wound up getting picked for this?

    Pettitte isnt on the roster released today.

    Who cares if he plays, its a tournament played every 4 years that is taken very seriously by the players of all the other countries except USA. To me its a missed opportunity to have a great showcase in March leading up to the MLB regular season.

  41. DRed:
    I just got a text from a friend who’s over in London this week for work.Lucky bastard is in the 5th row.I don’t think he’s gone to a game at the garden in like 7 years.

    Looks like a nice arena. Wondering how they’ll use newly-built Olympic facilities.

  42. ruruland:
    Amar’e hang-time for foul. Frazier and Dedes won’t shut up and watch the game. Awful.

    That’s why Breen is > Dedes.

  43. Would rather see Clint Dempsey or Tim Howard interviewed but whatever Henry plays for the Red Bulls so its OK I guess lol.

  44. Robtachi: Dude, nobody is disparaging Andre Drummond. I think 100% of us would kill to have him on the Knicks bench giving 25 minutes a night.ruru derided the fact that by some metrics, Drummond is considered the 3rd best player in the NBA, which, I’m sorry, IS LUDICROUS. But is he bad? Hell no. He’s awesome and should play more. Your constant bating and straw-manning is so, so very pointless and misplaced.

    Bating? Did you miss the part where ruruland cited his points per game as evidence of his “not awesomeness?”

  45. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Bating? Did you miss the part where ruruland cited his points per game as evidence of his “not awesomeness?”

    That wasn’t necessarily my point. You’ve been trying to bait me for a few days now. Oh well.

  46. Michael Cline: Very impressed by Oden’s maximum vertical. You never really saw that in the games, probably because he never had to jump

    Oden definitely was awkward but he was way more athletic than given credit for imo. Not just his raw measurables, but game athleticism. Plus his instincts and timing on defense, never mind his post skill, he was going to be an all-time great.

  47. I understand that Earl is not really a point guard, but you’d think we could at least try to run some plays on offense? Everyone is standing there like they’re standing post at Buckingham Palace.

  48. Sounds like Shump is really taking it to the defensive stalwarts of the Piston backcourt.

  49. Pistons get within 3, Knicks respond by ending the quarter on a 9-0 run to allow us to relax a bit lol.

  50. That worked out well with JR shooting early, getting the Knicks a 2-for-1. Detroit turns it over and the Knicks close it out with a Melo layup. Pretty big turnaround right there.

  51. JK47:
    As of this moment, Stat’s TS% for the season is .595.

    His ability to still get to the FT line has been a real positive.

  52. JK47:
    As of this moment, Stat’s TS% for the season is .595.

    Are you sure you’re not looking at his career #, there?

  53. JR had a relatively open catch and shoot 3pter but instead pump faked and took a contested, tough 20 ft step back jumper that hit the side of the backboard lol.

  54. Does JR hate Amar’e- Amar’e had his guy sealed in the post and JR took a 20 foot fadeaway.

  55. JK47: Nope.He has 83 points on 57 FGA, 29 FTA.

    It was in the toilet until this game, though, so… small sample size.

    I’m at work at can’t watch, but how do he and Shump look? How is Amar’e drawing so many fouls??

  56. DS: It’s the British refs.

    They really should have given some cards instead of calling techs in this game.

  57. flossy: It was in the toilet until this game, though, so… small sample size.

    I’m at work at can’t watch, but how do he and Shump look?How is Amar’e drawing so many fouls??

    Melo’s found on him on a few rolls and when doubled. 4-6 on post moves.

  58. I know you were never worried about this game even as the Pistons made their huge run in the 3rd :-)

    Hehe, I mean I was at least a little worried, but yeah, I figured that the Knicks would still pull it off when they got that weird lineup out of there.

  59. Nice win, now if the Lakers can beat the Heat tonight they would be tied in 1st with the Knicks.

  60. ruruland: Looks like a nice arena. Wondering how they’ll use newly-built Olympic facilities.

    My friend at the game said the stadium was pretty generic on the inside, but he did ride the tube with JR Smith and his little brother. Said they didn’t want to leave London.

  61. Brian Cronin: Did you seriously not know that he died yesterday? If not, that’s kind of an insane coincidence.

    That is crazy.

    In reading this thread, I laughed at the Diff’rnt Strokes reference, figuring nobody was going to get it. (I, myself, wouldn’t have gotten it if I hadn’t had a long conversation this week with my sister reminiscing about our favorite episodes, and trying to remember the name of the guy who played Mr. Drummond… we were on a boat in the Caribbean with no Internet access, and upon returning to shore I forgot to google the answer…) Twighlight Zone is right!

    Thanks for breaking the news of his name, Chris:) … And for breaking the news of his death, Brian :(

    (That’s what I love about this site: information that transcends the game of basketball!)

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