Game Preview & Thread: Pelicans @ Knicks

Not like we were overly optimistic to begin with, but the Knicks will be rolling in the Gitmo orange uni’s tonight:

That’s just swell. For a bit of info on tonight’s winning team opponent, let’s hear from Joe Gerrity of the TrueHoop New Orleans Pelicans blog, Bourbonstreetshots.

Much was made of the Pellies’ off season moves — trading Noel for Jrue, spending big bucks on Tyreke. How’s it working out so far?

It’s a vague answer, but so far it’s going OK. It’s not yet clear one way or the other if Gordon, Holiday and Tyreke can excel while on the floor together, and as of yet Tyreke hasn’t taken the leadership role off the bench that so many Pelicans fans hoped he would. Ask me again in three months and I’ll have a more concrete answer.

Anthony Davis is awesome. I love Anthony Davis. Can your team please leave him here when the game’s over? No? Darn. So what’ve been the key differences between his sophomore campaign and his rookie season?

Sure, you guys can trade for him after this season to join Chris Paul and LeBron. In all seriousness, Davis has improved pretty much across the board on both ends of the floor. Perhaps the biggest difference between this year and last is in his anticipation of opposing players. Last year he looked a bit lost on defense, as if he never quite made the adjustment all the way from playing against high school level athletes to the freaks of nature that comprise the NBA. Now that he has a little more experience in the game and a lot more exposure from watching tape, he’s taken a huge step forward. He’s still nowhere near as good as he will be one day when he’ll be able to turn average defenses into elite units, but he seems far more prepared for NBA level moves and athleticism than in his rookie campaign.

The Knicks have been pretty awful on both ends of the floor. Where do the ‘Cans match up particularly well against them? Are there any weaknesses?

The Pelicans will pretty much try to get Anthony Davis to touch the ball every possession he’s out there, and I’m not sure the Knicks have the manpower inside to stop him from wreaking havoc. If they can contain him, which I don’t see as a likely scenario, they’ll stand a chance. If not, it’s going to be a long night for the porous Knicks D, especially considering that since Ryan Anderson came back the Pelicans are averaging a whopping 109.8 points per game.

Get your crystal ball out of hock from that gypsy lady who runs a pawn shop… who wins tonight and why?

The Pelicans tend to struggle against offenses that can really swing the rock around the perimeter, resulting in open threes or easy buckets inside. As far as I can tell the Knicks are aware of what passing is, but don’t quite understand the purpose of it. Pelicans 107, Knicks 98.

Thanks, Joe! Be sure to follow him on the Twitter. You know, in case you’d like to see what life as a happy blogger is like. You can also check out Grand Poobah Mike Kurylo and my answers to Joe’s questions about the ‘Bockers here. Spoiler Alert: They’re a tad negative.

Go Knicks!

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153 thoughts to “Game Preview & Thread: Pelicans @ Knicks”

  1. Nothing truer has been said about these Knicks than not understanding the point of passing…

    Shump shump?

  2. Knicks have to keep Tyreke and Jrue from getting to the rim. Make those guys hit contested jump shots. And never foul a jump shooter.

  3. Pelicans. Absolutely ridiculous name for a team. But it will not matter. The Knicks D will hold about as well as the levy against lake pontchartrain during a class 5 hurricane.

  4. Pelicans. Absolutely ridiculous name for a team.

    …says the guy who roots for a team named after obsolete baggy-kneed trousers.

  5. Is the game televised for those with directv but not league pass? (Perhaps programming info can be added to game previews, to aid in one-stop shopping (don’t make me type anything into the google window, please!)

  6. Pelicans. Absolutely ridiculous name for a team.

    I like it. Suits them better than Hornets, plus their logo is one of the cooler ones in the league. Doesn’t hurt that they’ve got a really good young team, with Davis skyrocketing into his future 1st team form.

  7. you guys can trade for him after this season to join Chris Paul and LeBron.

    Tomorrow’s NY Post headline! Because NY Media!

  8. gotta be honest… Knicks offensive movement (save Amar’es charge) looks good so far. Felton lookin spry.

  9. This is the first time in a few games (at the very least before the West Coast trip) that the Knicks actually legitimately look like the better team out there. Nice to see.

  10. Hey, guess what? The Knicks are fun to watch when they play like they give a shit. I want more.

  11. Love that Melo’s first attempt at a bucket didn’t even come until 5 mins in (after everyone else had pretty much tried) and it was a oop. Good sign.

  12. It’s unreal how stupid this team is. Game after game it’s the same shit watching Hardaway, Stoudemire and JR Smith go one on one. What makes Tim Hardaway Jr think it’s a good play to go spinning one on one into the lane and play iso ball? COACHING that’s what. No one is telling him “Tim if you do x,y or z you are going to go directly to the bench.” You think Greg Popovich would put up with that shit foe 1 second. It’s infuriating.

  13. It’s unreal how stupid this team is. Game after game it’s the same shit watching Hardaway, Stoudemire and JR Smith go one on one. What makes Tim Hardaway Jr think it’s a good play to go spinning one on one into the lane and play iso ball? COACHING that’s what. No one is telling him “Tim if you do x,y or z you are going to go directly to the bench.” You think Greg Popovich would put up with that shit foe 1 second. It’s infuriating.

    A lot of it is an inability to breakdown the defense. W/o Felton no one can run the offense.

  14. The sad part is the Knicks look like they are playing well and yet are down 32-30 midway thru the 2nd quarter.

  15. JR Smith. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. Evans is going to have his best game of the year bc Woodson is too dumb to tell JR to drop under Evans.

  16. Yeah, come on, not even the Knicks can lose to a Davis-less Pelicans. I hate being happy about another team’s injury, but, well, I am.

  17. The pessimists and optimists are in clear view on these boards tonight. This is the best the Knicks have looked in a while, enjoy it while you can fellas.

  18. This is the best the Knicks have looked in a while, enjoy it while you can fellas.

    Well….at least the first half was nice.

  19. Shump yelling at Melo in the huddle. Can’t say I blame him. Of course, Woody sits him immediately.

  20. On the bright side, it was nice to see shump rip into melo for switching on the pseudo screen that led to another Anderson 3 that left felton on him. Of course he got benched right after…Probably punched his ticket out of town by challenging the infallible one.

  21. The video of that huddle was so interesting.

    Melo played lazy defense on the 4 point play. Inexcusable, awful, pathetic, lazy defense. While Shump fought over the screen to stay with his man, Melo just slider over because he just didn’t give a fuck, and because AB dropped down instead of staying up, there are now two Pelicans wide open and Shump (the only one giving any effort) runs over to cover and picks up the foul.

    Cut the the bench after the commercial (rewind the game and watch this if you can), Shump is passionately arguing, Melo is ignoring him, and Woodson is just waiting for him to shut up so he can do whatever he does. The body language on Melo and Woodson is awful. They just don’t care.

    Amd out of the timeout, Shump is on the bench.

    Fuck Woodson and his accountability. Melo should’ve been reamed by his coach and his whole team. Kudos for Shumpert for having the balls to do what no one else in the organization will.

  22. If losing this game meant Woodson getting fired Id root for the Knicks to lose but since I know it wont I really hope the Knicks dont blow this game.

  23. The Knicks are playing like that high school team many of us went up against…the one loaded with the tall, athletic, heavily recruited future stars. They don’t so much ever bother learning the nuances of the team game on offense, because the talent has always been enough to pull them through despite the fundamental ineptitude. On defense…well, why bother playing defense with so much talent. Then they come up against a team inferior in nearly every way on paper, but one who has a grasp of how to play the game as a cohesive unit and care more for winning than stats. Unfortunately this is an every night thing and the pelicans, bobcats, and all other cellar dwellers are bound to look like the show time lakers whenever they come to town. This team sucks from the top of the top down. The personalities on the floor are suited best for singles tennis or golf where “number 1” is all that matters.

  24. Still no sign of shump since he hurt the crown princes feelings. O/U on minutes played the rest of the way?

  25. Like I said earlier in the thread. Let TH2 shoot as much as he wants whenever he wants however he wants.

  26. BigBlueAL
    December 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm
    If losing this game meant Woodson getting fired Id root for the Knicks to lose but since I know it wont I really hope the Knicks dont blow this game.

    Yep.

    I’m approaching all out hate for Woodson tho.

  27. Speaking of a heater, pretty nice line for Drummond tonight…..

    31 and 19 on 12-15 shooting (and a very respectable 7-18 from the line)

    Also, 6 steals and 1 turnover…

    Might have something there…..

  28. Well Hardaway Jr will now be traded for Jermaine O’Neal (or a similar retread big). Because Knicks

  29. STAT doing some good things, and then reminds us why he shouldn’t play much with a brain fart and an Amundsen dunk

  30. hey, the 3 ball is falling!

    And this has been the best ball movement in how many games??? co-in-ee-ki-dink? I think not.

    Enough hating of the rook Timmay Jr – at least for today.

    HOW, HOW do they CONTINUE TO LOSE RYAN ANDERSON ON PERIMETER???

  31. Wow, Charles Oakley just swallowed his blunt watching Bargnani defend that fast break….

    If we can’t take advantage of one of THJR’s 5 hot shooting nights of the year I am going to be really upset…..

  32. I was going to say. Hardaway is on a fucking tear and we are only up 2. Last year that would have been a nail in coffin run.

  33. Bargnani should never be the most consistent defender in a lineup on the court with 5 mins to go…

  34. Knicks go up 6, Pelicans answer with a 6-0 run. Knicks go back up 5, Pelicans answer with an 8-0 run.

  35. JR Smith could literally light a joint and blow smoke in Woodson’s face and would still be on the floor. Shump gets benched for yelling at Melo. Ha. This franchise is a joke.

  36. Aminu is shutting Melo down…

    Smith has had a good play/shot or two here and there but it doesn’t make up for his lapses on D and fumbling handle. Shump should be in his place.

  37. JR Smith could literally light a joint and blow smoke in Woodson’s face and would still be on the floor. Shump gets benched for yelling at Melo.

    +1

    that would actually be interesting to see….and it’s likely JR has done something of the sort

  38. Bargs couldn’t guard a lampost….

    Although it was a mismatch. Stupid switch that far out I think.

    man……

  39. O stagnates again with Felton not penetrating and ball movement gone.
    I’m beginning to think that Bargs is not too bright. He’s decent one one one, but gas no noise for where he should be on defense in relation to others. His pnr D is just horrible.

  40. This team is a bunch of pathetic, soft, stupid, bunch of idiots. I hope they dont win another game this season.

  41. Woodson and JR are like that father/son combo in AAU or rec or whatever level of ball. Son of the coach, not really that great, but the father is deadset on turning him into a great ballplayer. it’s sad that this is happening on the professional level

  42. And Shump didn’t see any floor time after yelling at Anthony. What a fucking joke. This team will never go anywhere as long as Carmelo is here.

  43. We are going to be stuck watching Woodson try and get JR Smith out of his slump for all eternity. FUCK!

  44. WHY WERE THEY GUNNING for 3’S when DOWN FOUR??? Especially Melo who wasted 3 seconds dribbling OUT to 3 to shoot it at the buzzer??? Where’s the late-game awareness???

    Get the quick 2 and foul… stretch the game out and force N.O. to hit FTs

  45. this team absolutely blows. the pelicans are mediocre at best and lost their best player in the first half. we aint going anywhere. the sooner we realize this the better. trade melo for any assets you can get for him. trade chandler when he gets healthy for any assets you can get for him. keep hardaway and shump I guess. I don’t know why any teams would want anyone else, but if they do, trade em. its time to start over, the sooner the better. and in 2 years, when amare is off the books, lets not build around a guy with no cartilage and a one dimensional scorer

  46. This was tragicomic. It’s almost become easier (and more entertaining) to root for a new way to blow a game than to root for a win. Certainly less agonizing…

  47. Amazing. Shump didn’t play a single minute in the fourth.
    The team was humming with Prigs.
    Felton is completely unable to dribble penetrate. He simply runs down the clock.
    Melo seems out of diets and JR is just killing us. Stupid fouls, missed shots. Really, just a team with no heart down the stretch. They simply don’t know how to win.

  48. I mean Woodson is managing these games as if it’s NBA 2k and his favorite players are, of course, JR and Melo. So everyone else loses minutes at the expense of these two Knuckleheads. Perfectly competent players, having good games (Shump-7 REBS in 21 min), (Pablo-effective ball movement) are not on the floor for the important moments, while JR gets the superstar treatment despite clearly not being a superstar.

    It really feels like I’m watching a 10 yr old kid on NBA 2k who doesn’t know any better, doesnt know how to rotate, and just puts in 3 pt shooters rather than, you know, actual NBA rotations/situational subs.

  49. Yeah, come on, not even the Knicks can lose to a Davis-less Pelicans.

    So are you more shocked, disgusted, or saddened?
    I’m saddened more than anything because this team is reminding me so much of the 2005 team that seemed to invent ways to lose.
    On the plus side Lionel Hollins says he wants to get back into coaching. I’d love to have him.

  50. Did the postgame crew just call out Woodson/maybe call for his job??? They question sub-patterns, late game execution, loss of mental fortitude… I mean, and to say the team needs a change? I didn’t think they’d have the balls to do that.

  51. It’s pretty sad that I am currently looking at websites for 2015 mock drafts lol remember when Ryan Anderson couldn’t do it without Dwight Howard?

  52. Well, it was 2 years ago that the Carmelo Knicks, losers of 11-13 games, were due to play the Nets in game widely considered to be the coach’s last before getting the axe…

    Obviously, we all know Linsanity ensued, with it’s anticlimactic coda.

    Will Woodson find a temporary savior, too, or has the pendulum swung too far for remption?

  53. Is it stupid? Of course. But I dunno, Woody knows what side of his bread is buttered. It pays to suck up to JR and Melo. It just does. I mean, seriously, what NBA coach on a presumed contender doesn’t get fired by opening the season 3-13? Even Jason Kidd is at least 5-12. And yet Woody doesn’t get fired because he knows how Dolan works. Suck up to his friends and you’re good until he can’t possibly argue in favor of keeping you…and then he’ll keep you a little bit longer than that.

  54. So are you more shocked, disgusted, or saddened?
    I’m saddened more than anything because this team is reminding me so much of the 2005 team that seemed to invent ways to lose.
    On the plus side Lionel Hollins says he wants to get back into coaching. I’d love to have him.

    Had Shump been in there, I seriously think they win this game. But yes, that was awful. I personally think it was the worst loss of the season.

  55. I feel sorry for Z-man and his kids. smh. I don’t think I will watch Thursday. They are creating ways to lose.

  56. If the Knicks had their own 1st rd pick in 2014 I wouldnt want Woodson fired, let him coach this team to a horrible record and help the lottery odds. But since thats not possible since they dont have their 1st rd pick then I really hope they fire him ASAP because in the current East even with this roster any average head coach can get this team to the playoffs even after this 3-13 start. Unless they plan to actually trade everyone by the deadline and start over but that aint happening.

  57. The Knicks are unequivocally the dumbest team in the NBA. Some of those turnovers late in the 4th were just ridiculous, and it seemed like JR was in the middle of all of them. Enough of this guy, enough of Woodson.

  58. Woodson: “We needed stops and we couldn’t get them.”

    Maybe not having Shump and KMart in the game had something to do with that.

  59. honestly, im OK with losing under certain circumstances. 2 things losing can bring are high draft picks and change. well we don’t have the draft picks, so that’s out of the window. Unfortunately, so is change. Dolan, CAA, and whomever is running this team will never acknowledge that they are the problem and will continue to marginalize young players like shump (or even Lin) and any voices within the organization that believe in the value of player development. they will continue to seek quick fixes and we will never have cap room, never have draft picks in 2 consecutive years, and will never develop young players. the sad thing is that the best thing about this losing is that it will deter Melo from signing an max extension with us that will last until he is 35, but that somehow is the thing that Dolanites are most concerned about. I think shump’s gone within a week. at that point, Im officially rooting against this team until further notice

  60. “remember when Ryan Anderson couldn’t do it without Dwight Howard?”

    Well, he has Anthony Davis now…. ;-)

  61. Well, it was 2 years ago that the Carmelo Knicks, losers of 11-13 games, were due to play the Nets in game widely considered to be the coach’s last before getting the axe…

    Obviously, we all know Linsanity ensued, with it’s anticlimactic coda.

    Will Woodson find a temporary savior, too, or has the pendulum swung too far for remption?

    are you predicting colesanity or toursanity? of course, someone would actually have to put them in the game

  62. Not sure why Woody gets all the hate when our “superstar” is a fucking joke.

    No defense, no communication, no leadership, no heart. Seriously TRADE MELO. Woody or not, the team is going to be a disaster if this sack of shit is resigned into his mid-30s. Move him for picks and youth while it’s not too late!

  63. Not sure why Woody gets all the hate when our “superstar” is a fucking joke.

    Because of the Shump thing. It is disturbing to see a coach be this craven.

  64. This season is very similar to the 1990-91 season when Stu Jackson was fired after 15 games for the Knicks starting 7-8. They were coming off back-to-back seasons when they made it to the 2nd round and expectations were pretty high so 7-8 was seen as an unacceptable start. Is John MacLeod still available??

  65. If Woodson goes, I want Patrick Ewing. He is an unproven commodity, but he has one thing in excess: cojones. He would have the independent standing to assert control over CAA/Melo/Jr. I trust The Big Fella to require defensive effort from everyone.

  66. I missed this one. Let me guess, poor shot selection, no ball movement, bad substitutions, out hustled and out coached.

    Bench Melo and JR, and suspend Woodson and you’ll see an instant change in attitude, effort and cohesiveness . . . and a W

  67. Blow it up!
    EVERYONE has got to go, from the top of the organization to last player on bench. Shump would be the only guy I’d keep, but ironically, he’s going to be the first out the door.

    I can’t root for this team to win anymore.

  68. players clearly better than melo IMO:
    rondo; LeBron; George; Anthony davis; westbrook; Durant; love; paul; curry; harden; parker; irving

    players who may be better than melo IMO:
    wall; hibbert; dirk; griffin; brook lopez; wade; Dwight howard; Duncan; Lawson; rose (due to injuries); kobe (due to injuries); marc gasol; lilliard, cousins

    I don’t think its a stretch to say that he is a top 15-20 player in the league at this moment (at his absolute prime). he will be 25-30 within 2-3 years, as he drops off and other players emerge. why our ownership seems to want to sign him to a 5 year extension that will et up a huge % of our cap is beyond me. lets call joe dumars and try to work something out

  69. If Woodson goes, I want Patrick Ewing. He is an unproven commodity, but he has one thing in excess: cojones. He would have the independent standing to assert control over CAA/Melo/Jr. I trust The Big Fella to require defensive effort from everyone.

    and Oakley as head assistant

  70. If the Knicks did want to blow up this team, they’d have some options, because I’m sure there are some contenders that wouldn’t mind adding Melo or Chandler. Trade those two for assets, tank away the 2014-2015 season and you’d have assets, a high first rounder in the 2015 draft and cap space on your hands.

    It ain’t gonna go that way though. If there’s one thing you count on it’s that the fools that run this team will somehow make the situation even worse than it is now.

  71. That ball actually moved decently today. The defense remained atrocious. And so did the coaching.

    Melo was his typical mediocre self tonight. Good boarding. Two good steals that led to fastbreak points. But very far from elite play. And not exactly bringing the intangibles to the table. Everyone knows where I stand on re-signing Melo so I won’t belabor the point.

    He hasn’t played like a top 50 player this year. And I don’t think he’ll be a top 30 player this year or going forward.

    Dark days. I hope it gets worse so it can get better. Although getting better seems impossible via that ‘rout’. So maybe i hope it gets better. I don’t know….

  72. are you predicting colesanity or toursanity?

    I’m predicting nothing. Just pointing out that we are exactly where we were two years ago…

    …except that that team had a bunch of guys you could actually cheer for: Chandler, Lin, Novak, Jeffries, a Shump with upside… This team has no shot at any insanity other than the insanity of it’s did functional ownership and the culture it provides.

    The Knicks are a product of their own karma.

  73. Thanks, yelloboy, we had fun in a bittersweet way…
    Here’s the recap.
    Turning point: Felton’s 2 consecutive turnovers.
    Biggest goat: Woodson. Where were Shump and KMart down the stretch?
    2nd biggest goat: Amare (he just kills any momentum we have whenever he goes in.)
    3rd biggest goat: JR. He does just enough positive for idiot Woodson to trust him. Tyreke smoked him all night.
    Most perversely painful moments: Watching Ryan Anderson score on 3 offensive rebounds. Not to mention his roll-in 3’s.
    Most overrated player of the game: TH2. His 3’s were dramatic, but he was beyond dreadful on the other end and took an ill-advised layup that was rejected and resulted in a fast break the other way. Again, where was Shumpert?
    Most glaring issue: the missed layups, I counted at least 5.

    So long as the game comes down to 3-pointers, we are gonna lose.
    Takeaway: Our guards are just piss-poor.

  74. other than the insanity of it’s did functional ownership

    …until the team starts winning, this site needs to extend the edit window long enough for the poster to sober up…

  75. Most overrated player of the game: TH2. His 3?s were dramatic, but he was beyond dreadful on the other end and took an ill-advised layup that was rejected and resulted in a fast break the other way.

    Calling his contribution overrated is type cruel. If his 21 pts on ten shots is overrated, then Bargnani’s 6 blocks were overrated, because he was practically helpless in the 4th Q. But 6 blocks are 6 blocks…

    I really don’t understand some folks here with their abject dislike of Junior Timmay. OK, he’s not a defensive stopper, and there’s very ordinary NBA players that can have hot shooting nights. Dammit, tho, he’s a rookie with some skillz that’s getting burn for a coach many feel prefers vets over youth. And the season, while looking lost, is still early.

    Give the rook a little space to learn the NBA game and speed….

  76. Shump did have to come out after the play which caused him to yell at Melo because he picked up his fourth foul. And it would have been hard to pull THJ the way he was shooting. Why he didn’t come in for JR once NO took the lead I have no idea.

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