Bucks 112 Knicks 92

Finally, the Knicks didn’t have to worry about their offense. Despite entering the game with the 28th ranked offense, they shot 55.8% (eFG) from the field and had a rebound percentage of 32.3%. Unfortunately it was their defense that let them down, as they lost by 20 to the Milwaukee Bucks in New York.

Channing Frye started off sizzling hot. He hit his first 6 shots, embarrassing fellow rookie Andrew Bogut along the way. Bogut did get his revenge on the 7th shot, blocking Frye and grabbing the loose ball all in one motion. Unfazed, Channing came right back at the Aussie. Frye received the ball on the left block with Bogut behind him, and turned to face the hoop. He faked a step towards the hoop creating enough space to square himself and bury a twelve footer. A few minutes later Robinson would hit Frye cutting to the hoop, and Channing would earn two trips to the line.

The amazing aspect is Frye did all of the above in the first quarter. On the night, the Knicks’ rookie went 14-18 for 30 points, and threw in 7 boards, 2 blocks, 2 assists, and a steal. Unfortunately while Frye was helping his case for rookie of the year, the Bucks were busy improving their position in the standings.

Yesterday’s victory should pull the Bucks even with the Pacers for 4th spot in the East. Seemingly, Milwaukee only needed three ways to score against New York. The first was to have T.J. Ford drive to the hoop unabated and kick the ball out for a three point shot. The second was to have Redd or Williams use off the ball screens to get open for a three point shot. The final way was to have Dan Gadzuric beat in transition whichever Knick bigman was on the floor at the time. Of course when any of those failed Magloire, Bogut, or Gadzuric would just grab the Milwaukee miss so that they could try again. Not that the Bucks missed much.

Milwaukee shot 61.5% (eFG) from the field, and was more accurate from three point land (12 of 19) than the Knicks were from the line (6-13). They hit the century mark half way through the 4th quarter, which for those that like fractions was 7/8 through the game. The Bucks were lead by their two APBRmetric friendly players. Former cover boy of the 2003 Basketball Prospectus, Michael Redd, scored 31 points with a eFG% of 67.6% and a TS% of 74.0%. Gadzuric who normally sticks out numerically for his ability to rebound, steal, and block shots, was second on the Bucks with 18 points. While he didn’t record a single steal or blocked shot, his agility earned him easy bucket after easy bucket in transition.

Knick fans who stuck around to the bitter end, were treated to a Qyntel Woods sighting. Woods, doing what any player would trying to earn a spot on an NBA team, jacked up the ball at his first opportunity. He nailed that three, and went on to score 5 points in 7 minutes. Woods averaged 28.6 pts/40 on 83.3% shooting (eFG) for the night, but unfortunately for the Knicks it was one night where they didn’t need more offense.

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19 thoughts to “Bucks 112 Knicks 92”

  1. Clearly the defense was terrible, but their offense also failed the Knicks last night.

    The Knicks lost a 2 point lead on a 7 minute 24-10 Bucks run in the 2nd with Frye and Curry both out of the game (24 points in 7 minutes is atrocious D, but 10 points in 7 minutes is also pretty bad O).

    Then in the 4th the Knicks didn’t score for about 6 minutes as the Bucks went on a 13-0 run.

    And, in typical fashion, they also committed 18 TOs and couldn’t BUY a free throw (rather ironic).

  2. Its getting frustrating and I’m beginning to think that maybe the only solution is to ditch Marbury. I like the guy and will defend him to the death, but I think it might be time for him to move on. How about Marbury and maybe Lee or even Ariza (I like Ariza, but the Knicks need to dangle something moderately tempting) for Artest and Croshere? It works, I don’t know if Indiana would be interested, but I’d pull the trigger. Then JJ for Earl Watson…I think we’d be looking good then…

    Anyway, there was a good article about Marbury for Artest at RealGM – check it out:


  3. My feelings exactly T…I like Stephon too, but it seems more and more apparent that he is the wrong piece for this team. He is trying hard, but he doesn’t have the right skill set. This team desperately needs a ball handler who can pop the three when given room…there is no shortage of dribble penetrators to play at 1, 2 and 3 positions.

    A trade for Artest would be just what the doctor ordered in terms of position skills…but I shudder to think what might happen in the chemistry department and what a homecoming would mean for Artest’s off-court life.

  4. Do you guys remember the movie, “Seven?” There’s the scene when Freeman and Pitt are driving Kevin Spacey out to the middle of nowhere at Spacey’s request. Pitt asks Spacey something like, “When you’re insane — as you so obviously are — do you know you’re insane?”

    Now, far be it from me to ignore Artest’s fantastic productivity, but Ron Artest is crazy. In fact, if Ron Artest were the homocidal maniac in “Seven,” rather than deflect the question as Spacey did, Artest simply would have said, “Yeah. Somewhere between gluttony and lust it occurred to me that I’m really quite mad.”

    If someone can convince me that they’ve found the right combination of meds then yeah, I’m all for it. (That happened, for instance, with Terry Glenn. Remember when he was borderline insane with New England? It really was an issue of medication.) Short of that, absolutely not.

  5. One more case of people chomping at the bit, and then (no doubt) complaining when he self-destructs for the third (fourth time)… The Knicks signing Woods and possibly Artest (who isn’t as bad as Woods in my book, obviously) would make them a very hard team to root for. Artest seems more dopey than evil, but asking for time off from the team (with pay) to support your cd was already enough for me, never mind the brawls. But I don’t root for the illegal dog-fighter to get a second chance when he hardly seems penitent for his past. And why does anybody think Artest will not self-destruct or be a bad influence as a Knick? He’s super talented, but we got a lot of impressionable youth and/or fragile egos on this team, and adding another headcase is not worth it. I’ll simply stop rooting for the Knicks if they’re primarily stocked with overpaid, talented a-holes…

  6. I certainly don’t disagree that Artest is somewhat crazy, however I think he is a gamble worth taking. Spree was considered a risk to roughly the same degree and he worked out quite well with the Knicks. True, he did a few stupid things and right now he looks like a complete fool, but no one has regrets about that trade, except for maybe Dolan.

    Of course Artest going in to the stands was unprecedented in the NBA, but his other instances of supposedly “self-destructing” are relatively minor, asking for time off to promote his album, smashing TV monitors. Distractions sure, but I think in regards to this trade request he is basically speaking his mind, he is being honest – how often do we see that from athletes now? I don’t think he would be a bad influence on the team anyway and no ex-teammate has said anything bad about him other than O’Neal’s annoyance at his trade demand.

    Marbury, though only 28, has a lot of basketball games in those legs and it looks like he is already in decline. He has lost confidence in his jump-shot, and how many lay-ups does he miss now? Maybe its just a phase, but maybe in a year or two he will be reduced completely to a one-trick pony.

    Most importantly though, Artest provides great defense, good offense, fills the hole at SF, comes from a good system and knows how to win. Its hard to tell what he will do next, but I have no doubt in my mind that while we will never win a championship with Steph, there is a chance with Ron Artest.

  7. I would love to see the Knicks get Artest, despite the off-court concerns. I’m not sure, however, if the Pacers would have any interest in Marbury. Of course I can’t read Donnie Walsh’s mind, but I have read that he wants to get youth and a deal that makes financial sense. Marbury satisfies neither condition.
    That’s not to say that the Knicks can’t get Artest: they can certainly offer a deal that makes “financial sense” for the Pacers and they have an abundance of promising young players.
    Whether he comes to NY or not, I?m really interested to see what the Pacers can get for Artest. They’ve publicly announced that he’s available to the highest bidder and his baggage is as heavy as any player in league history, but he’s one of the better all-around players in the league.

  8. I have to say that I think Marbury is one of the most overhyped, overrated players in Knick history.

    I realize he is a NY playground legend. I just think those skills have never transitioned to the NBA game. At least 3-4 times a game, Marbury throws a pass that I wonder why he ever thought that the recipient was open. It is like he is looking for the highlight reel play all the time, rather than the play to win the game.

    Larry seems to feel this as well. He has launched a full time campaign to hang the bad decisions on Marbury, and it doesn’t appear that they can get along.

    Deal him for Artest. Or for Peja. For a bag of chips and a subway sandwich. But, whatever you do, get him out of the young nucleus’ way. He can only hurt.

  9. I don’t know if this is just a bad coincidence or not. But in the last two games, a guy plays well in the first quarter and then hardly plays in the second when the Knicks lose the lead. It happened Monday with Frye and again with Richardson tonight. He scored eight in the first quarter and didn’t even play the second. I know you got to rest guys, but an entire quarter.. It’s probably just a coincidence though..

  10. On Artest – I have to disagree wholeheartedly with the Sprewell comparison (though I’ve heard it before) Young T. There is, to my mind, a world of difference between the two. I think Artest has a bona fide emotional disorder that makes his behavior bizarre and unpredictable, both on the court and off. You could work around that on a veteran team, but you simply cannot ask *that* guy to come in and be the leader (which he would undoubtedly be in NY) on a team with a rookie core.

    Hell, that’s the basic problem in Indiana. Though Artest may be crazy he isn’t dumb. He knows the franchise wants O’Neal to be its best player and leader but right now that mantle clearly belongs to Artest. He knows that’s a problem not likely to get better so he asked out.

    Sprewell is different altogether; he has a hostile temper problem. When he wasn’t personally riled he was a model citizen in New York.

    Dave (the other Dave) – I think Marbury’s career numbers would rate him as a premier (if not elite) offensive player in the NBA. Rafer Alston and Sweet Pea Daniels are playground legends whose games never translated. The big issue for him is that the offense appears to be moving away from the screen-roll, his most effective play. He’s being asked to think the game, recognize defenses and create for others. And he’s struggling like hell. He’s also beginning to show more wear and tear physically. I think he’s impossible to move.

  11. I wasn’t suggesting that Spree and Ron are similar at all: only the situation was similar, both were involved in unprecedented acts in the NBA, both had huge suspensions, Spree was, and Ron is, considered a huge gamble.

    I don’t think we have the chips to make the Pacers budge anyway and definitely we don’t want to give up Frye, so its probably a moot point.

  12. After last night’s loss to Orlando, when asked if he would move any of the rookie core to acquire Artest, Isiah said definitely not. Of course, he also would not divulge any of the conversation he had with the Pacers brass, so I don’t know if his statement amounts to much. Outside of paying $15,000 for a lunch with Thomas and asking him personally, there may not be anything else to do but wait and see what happens.

  13. What I hope happens in this whole Artest situation is that Indiana realizes that they’ll need to involve a 3rd or maybe even 4th team.

    I think New York could be involved in such a deal and potentially wind up with something valuable.

  14. I was at that Orlando game and let me tell you it was just painful to watch. In my opinion, the greatest coach in the world, Larry Brown is to blame. My reasons:

    1. QRich got hot in the first quarter…rode the bench for the rest of the half…

    2. Malik Rose got SIXTEEN minutes…and he took eight shots! Malik Rose! If Malik Rose never walked on the Garden floor again, I wouldn’t object. Don’t even get me started about Qyntel Woods.

    3. Stephon took 10 shots. Stephon Marbury does not take 10 shots by his own rules.

    Obviously, the players themselves are struggling, but the root of the problem is the man on the sideline. I don’t understand the idea of players “adjusting to his offense”. Why doesn’t he adjust his offense to the players?

    The one thing you’ve gotta like about the guy…

    “FI-RE LAR-RY” is gonna have a nice ring to it.

  15. “‘FI-RE LAR-RY’ is gonna have a nice ring to it.”
    Yup. New Yorkers won’t stand for another 33 win season, and as of December 16th, we’re on track for 26 wins.

    I don’t have patience when it’s obvious it isn’t working. Losing and losing and losing can ruin the players on the team, and the Knicks need to win, RIGHT NOW. Just look how Steph has turned into a complete headcase this season. He can’t even hit a clutch freethrow. He’s on edge. He’s trying his best. Yet, he’s performing well below his abilities.

    LB is a great coach, but he’s not suited for this sort of rebuilding effort. I have a feeling I might be changing my tune 2-3 years from now, but why would I want to watch 2-3 years worth of blowout losses and bad trades? The Knicks need a coach who can adjust to his players, because the players obviously can’t adjust to Larry.

    “FI-RE LAR-RY!”

  16. I changed the name to not be “the other dave”.

    You guys are a little nuts. Yes, Larry is putting in things to make the knicks a better team. And, yes, they are all having some trouble with it, particularly Marbury.

    But this is not Larry’s fault. It is the fault of all the crappy coaches Dolan has trotted out since JVG. Larry is being forced to unteach all of the bad habits that have settled in over the last 3 years.

    And, to be honest, if given the choice between cleaning house and bringing in LB guys who know how to win, and getting some “other coach” who adjusts to his players and their strength, then I say start shipping players tomorrow. We have a coach who is a proven winner and a proven builder of teams from scratch, and a roster of headcases and losers who have never won anything. Which would you rather do?

    And, to reply to the other dave :), I think you misunderstand me when you compare sweet pea to Marbury. I am not saying his numbers don’t add up to the elite scorers. I am saying he is one of the most overhyped and overrated players. Sweet pea doesn’t compare, he was never overrated. Marbury has never won, at the college or pro level. I doubt he ever will. He is ill suited to the position he plays, and doesn’t seem to grasp the little things it takes for an NBA team to win basketball games.

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