Breaking (with Updates): Jeff Hornacek to be named Knicks Head Coach

According to Howard Beck, the coaching process is coming to and end, and in a most surprising way. More to come…..

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121 thoughts to “Breaking (with Updates): Jeff Hornacek to be named Knicks Head Coach”

  1. Jeff Hornacek made Gerald Green look like a stud when he was in Phoenix. I was kinda hoping we could grab Green last off season.

    Hornacek strikes me as an average coach, though. I did enjoy his Phoenix teams, though, and the fact that he beat out Rambis and is NOT a Triangle head coach is excellent.

    Still wish we grabbed Vogel.

  2. It’s so weird, but it’s got my attention. We’ll have to see WHY he was the choice. That ought to be fascinating.

  3. The interesting thing about Hornacek is that he has few or no ties to Mills or Jackson and his offensive system pretty much clashes completely with the Triangle.

    It seems as if Jackson (or mills…or Dolan) made a point to go out of house on this one in order to either prove a point or because Hornacek interviewed really well.

    Since Phil made the proper decision by not making Rambis HC, I’m willing to trust him on whether Hornacek is a better fit/look for this team than Blatt or Vogel

    Really interesting hire

  4. So much for the Knicks having a good defense next season. Hiring Vogel or Blatt would’ve made that possible but nothing in Hornacek’s brief coaching career says he is a good defensive coach.

  5. And yes, the “why” behind this will be fascinating. I doubt we’ll learn it for a few years, though. Man, imagine if they let Hornacek run his Phoenix system with Porzingis?! Wow, that’d be great to watch.

  6. Horny’s Suns career shows how hard it is to evaluate a coach-he was runner up for coach of the year his first season. The next year they put together a bizzare team whose 3 best players all played the same position (PG). They were 29-25 at the trade deadline, which was pretty good considering the strength of the conference, but the players were reportedly unhappy and the FO blew it up, and they just missed out on the playoffs. So, how much of the blame does Jeff get for that? Did he fail to keep the team together? Was the roster just too poorly constructed? How much input into the roster, if any, did he have?

  7. Worst of both worlds. You got a coach who probably won’t make much of a difference but yet isn’t so bad he’d make Melo demand a trade. So we’ll just keep on trudging along trying to nail the 8 spot but probably not being able to. NBA hell.

  8. Interesting choice! Was a fan of his as a player. I know that he started off strong in Phoenix but then faded. I hope he starts off the same way here. He should be terrific for improving our guard play because he knew/knows how to play the position for sure. This should put us into contention for the championship for sure!

  9. This should put us into contention for the championship for sure!

    This move may even solve the conflict in the Middle East and possibly lead to a cure for AIDS.

  10. This is kind of a weird hire. But I said I would be happy with a non-Rambis hire, so I’ll stick with that. Maybe this could work. I have an open mind.

  11. HALLELUJAH IT’S NOT RAMBIS!!!

    NO DOUBT IT’S PRETTY WEIRD, BUT NEVER MIND THAT SHIT FOR NOW — IT’S NOT RAMBIS!!

  12. Runner up for Coach of the Year to Popovich (and ahead of Thibodeau) in 2013-2014.

    I’ll take him (although I still would have rather had Vogel)

  13. I like Hornacek. Whatever happened his last year in Phoenix, with the Morris twins and all, probably wasn’t his fault.

    And I like that we have a guy named Horny coaching a guy named Mellow. It’s like Phil is collecting his favorite strains of weed.

  14. HALLELUJAH IT’S NOT RAMBIS!!!

    NO DOUBT IT’S PRETTY WEIRD, BUT NEVER MIND THAT SHIT FOR NOW — IT’S NOT RAMBIS!!

    Ha! I think that matches pretty much everyone of us. So happy it is not Rambis and then that just subtle…”but huh?” which is then replaced by “Never mind ‘huh’ right now! It’s not Rambis!”

  15. At face value, the Hornacek hire seems to mean that Phil has kind of thrown in the towel with the Triangle. Hornacek is almost like a SSOL coach, likes to play uptempo, understands that long 2-pointers are bad shots.

    Hmmm.

  16. I wonder if we can swing a deal for Eric Bledsoe now? He might come at a sizeable discount.

  17. Worst of both worlds. You got a coach who probably won’t make much of a difference but yet isn’t so bad he’d make Melo demand a trade. So we’ll just keep on trudging along trying to nail the 8 spot but probably not being able to. NBA hell.

    You know I don’t like their basic approach either, but Melo was never leaving. Not even if Rambis got the job. So I don’t think you can knock the Hornacek hire in that regard.

  18. I like Hornacek. Whatever happened his last year in Phoenix, with the Morris twins and all, probably wasn’t his fault.

    I liked Hornacek’s choice of system in Phoenix. I have no idea what that means for him here.

  19. I think this means Hornacek agreed to have Rambis on his staff…while maybe Vogel didn’t.

  20. Phil hired a guy whose philosophy is anathema to the triangle. In some ways that’s more impressive than if he’d hired Blatt or Vogel because they were Triangle-adjacent.

  21. What if Isaiah Thomas wanted to reunite with his former coach in New York and we engineered a Melo trade with Boston?

    Fantasies are fun to entertain even if they’ll never happen.

  22. I think this means Hornacek agreed to have Rambis on his staff…while maybe Vogel didn’t.

    That’s a strong possibility. But Rambis on the staff to, what, make sure that they run the Triangle? Or just to be the assistant head coach? The whole Triangle aspect of this hire is the most fascinating thing.

  23. Phil hired a guy whose philosophy is anathema to the triangle. In some ways that’s more impressive than if he’d hired Blatt or Vogel because they were Triangle-adjacent.

    I mean, if it means he is willing to let Hornacek run his own system, then yes, no doubt about it, that’s awesome. But if it is to bring Hornacek in here to run the Triangle, that’s weird, right?

  24. In Hornacek’s good season in Phoenix, the Suns were the #8 offense and #15 defense, were 8th in pace and 5th in 3-point attempt rate. The Knicks were 26th in pace last year and 22nd in 3-point attempt rate.

    How’s it goink?

  25. Update (8:20pm):

    There’s no deal in place with Hornacek, according to a source. Negotiations are in very, very early stages. There’s mutual interest.

    — Marc Berman (@NYPost_Berman) May 19, 2016

    OH COME THE FUCK ON

  26. I thought I heard somewhere that Hornacek was a top target of Kerr’s for the lead assistant job with GS. So that must count for something.

  27. Can we please stop bashing Rambis now? He’s been a good soldier for Phil and the organization which is good enough for me.

  28. Good point Brian. I’m starting to get excited about the type of offense Horny will have us running.

  29. It appears that Phil Jackson has decided on Jeff Hornacek but as of now the two sides do not have a contract in place.

    — Frank Isola (@FisolaNYDN) May 19, 2016

    OH OK THAT’S BETTER

  30. There’s no deal in place with Hornacek, according to a source. Negotiations are in very, very early stages. There’s mutual interest.

    — Marc Berman (@NYPost_Berman) May 19, 2016

    HELLOOOOOOO RAMBIS

  31. Herring saying that nothing is complete but that it’s moving in Horny’s direction. We’re going to have so much fun with his name. Just another reason to love the Knicks!

  32. Ay is anyone else here a Premier League fan

    Because I keep thinking of Louis Van Gaal whenever I read “Horny” re: coaching situations

  33. But if it is to bring Hornacek in here to run the Triangle, that’s weird, right?

    This is the most interesting question. My guess is they don’t abandon the triangle. Hornacek embraces the triangle at his press conference enough to make you want to throw up in your mouth, but saves it by emphasizing they will be flexible to the talent and also plan to use PNRs, discourage deep twos, and exploit early shot clock opportunities. Hornacek is a math oriented guy known for showing players shot charts and knowing the FG% from every shot distance for everyone on his team (you’d think that would be standard, but…). What actually happens come fall who knows, but there are surely versions of offenses that could be called triangular that would be totally fine in practice.

  34. Interesting choice. I can’t complain. Fwiw I’m pretty sure Hornacek and Rambis played together in Phoenix.

  35. Time to make the trade with Orlando for Oladipo and make him a bigger version of Bledsoe.

  36. Ian Begley is on ESPN saying that Jeff showed Phil he’d be willing to come in and learn the triangle. And several reports state Rambis is staying on.

    Smart money says next year will be a lot like this year.

    And more of the same is not good.

  37. This is the most interesting question. My guess is they don’t abandon the triangle. Hornacek embraces the triangle at his press conference enough to make you want to throw up in your mouth, but saves it by emphasizing they will be flexible to the talent and also plan to use PNRs, discourage deep twos, and exploit early shot clock opportunities. Hornacek is a math oriented guy known for showing players shot charts and knowing the FG% from every shot distance for everyone on his team (you’d think that would be standard, but…). What actually happens come fall who knows, but there are surely versions of offenses that could be called triangular that would be totally fine in practice.

    Interesting. I’m not saying you’re wrong. In fact, I think what you described sounds very realistic. At the same time, though, that scenario, in and of itself, is also pretty weird, right?

  38. It’s NOT going to be like last year. Stop with the pessimism. We’ve got a great mind as our coach. One who runs fantastic offensive sets. And he can help our young guards a great deal. We are definitely going places.

  39. The Horny hire has Zach Lowe’s Seal of Approval:

    Zach Lowe ?@ZachLowe_NBA 52m52 minutes ago
    Hornacek is a good coach — creative thinker, adaptable to roster skill set. Big questions are obviously: triangle, defense. Solid hire.

  40. Ian Begley is on ESPN saying that Jeff showed Phil he’d be willing to come in and learn the triangle.

    Okay, this is starting to make sense now. Hire the guy who coaches a modern style of basketball, then force him to convert to Triangularity. The coach is going to “learn” the system at the NBA level. KNICKSY.

    And several reports state Rambis is staying on.

    Well, at least now we know who the coach will be by the time March rolls around.

  41. Ian Begley is on ESPN saying that Jeff showed Phil he’d be willing to come in and learn the triangle. And several reports state Rambis is staying on.

    Smart money says next year will be a lot like this year.

    And more of the same is not good.

    Yeah, because Ian Begley demonstrated how much inside knowledge he had of the Knicks’ coaching search during this entire process. Get fucking real dude.

  42. Ian Begley is on ESPN saying that Jeff showed Phil he’d be willing to come in and learn the triangle. And several reports state Rambis is staying on.

    Smart money says next year will be a lot like this year.

    And more of the same is not good.

    Hopefully it just means adding Triangle aspects to his system, like how Kerr uses parts of the Triangle in his system in Golden State.

  43. You know, I don’t think any of us predicted Phil would hire someone outside his coaching tree or who wasn’t a sworn Triangle disciple. And now, this.

    It’s very likely this could yet go all Knicks-shaped on us, but it’s remarkable to me. Congratulations, Phil’s played us all.

  44. Why are we believing anything the beat guys say about any of this? They got scooped by Beck who isn’t even on the Knicks beat anymore.

  45. The real question is not how good his offensive mind will be, but how he can adapt to the players he has (something D’Antoni wasn’t able to do), and whether or not he is defensive minded at all.

    Really, I only care about whether he is a plus or minus on defense.

  46. Can’t wait to see how Hornacek will make a system that was great with Dragic, Thomas and Bledsoe work with Calderon, Grant and Galloway!

  47. AUDIO: Jeff Van Gundy has heard that Jeff Hornacek won't be required to run the triangle with the #KnicksListen –> https://t.co/O7hk3kFAkm— SiriusXM NBA Radio (@SiriusXMNBA) May 19, 2016

    Idk should I trust JVG or Ian Begley whose best skill as a reporter is citing the Daily News and the Post?

    Tough to know.

  48. Herring also just wrote a bit at WSJ that Hornacek will have system freedom.

    Sounds like maybe, just maybe– Phil is loosening his grip.

  49. At the same time, though, that scenario, in and of itself, is also pretty weird, right?

    It is weird, but it can fit a world in which Phil has seen the light. Or a nightlight. He has white knuckled the “other three pointer” so fiercely and publicly it would take a bayesian ninja to fully renounce it. But maybe you just draw a giant imaginary triangle around a spread PNR back-door pin down to get your 7 foot center open for pop out three (that is actually sort of a play Hornacek ran regularly for Channing Frye playing small big C when Horny was a rookie coach) and call it a day? Then everybody wins. Or at least, that’s what I’m hoping — that we’ve come a long way from Phil asking on twitter for evidence that 3 point shooting doesn’t work in the playoffs. He’s smart, it’s possible. And it’s possible Hornacek just threw principle to the curb and is going to abandon everything he seems to believe in about offense — people will do shit to be an NBA coach…but I’m hoping it’s the former.

  50. 1. Not really surprised by anything Phil does. Did anyone in the NY media see this coming? Nope.
    2. Glad it is not Rambis, but a bit concerned if true that Hornacek will use the triangle. Seems like his own offensive system is a good one.
    3. Really wanted Blatt or Vogel, but still, this is a solid professional coach.
    4. Time to buy a draft pick or two, then sign a 2 guard.

  51. I just watched the Begley interview- he’s just grasping. Has no solid facts, is really just speculating.

  52. @61 If JVG is correct and running the triangle was not a requirement for the job then I would have liked Vogel for his defense. Then again he might have turned down the job. I am okay with Hornacek though.

  53. Raise your hand if, three weeks ago, you would have guessed Hornacek. Bueller? Bueller?

  54. @ 68 One week ago, a few here were ready to fire Phil for supposedly hiding in a bunker and doing nothing.

  55. I wonder if this means that we trade Lopez for Teague or another guard so that KP moves to the 5?

  56. @70 Lopez is a great screener. He could still fit well in a Hornacek offense. Any system still needs some rim protection.

  57. That finger roll from Durant… jesus. How does a player that big make that move? It won’t make highlight reels, but damn.

  58. Okay, so how does Hornacek affect the Knicks ability to sign a big name free agent vs. say a Blatt or Vogel?

    I’m hoping for Batum, so of course the Knicks will not get him…

  59. Agree with DRed that his resume is almost impossible to evaluate. That situation was so in flux while he was there that it’s hard to even know what criteria to look at. They were tanking, then they were the best up and coming situation in the league, then they were a mess, then they were restarting and were terrible. I’m not even sure it’s fair to say he’s a SSoL coach. The Suns are one of the teams (like the Knicks) that seem to have an organizational ideal about how they want to play that goes way beyond the current head coach. I wouldn’t conclude Fisher is a triangle head coach, and the same goes for Horny and SSoL. He’s just a giant question mark to me. That said, he’s not Rambis. I’ll take it.

  60. It just goes to show you that all of your belly aching about Phil and Rambis was much ado about nothing. This is a different Knick age we’re entering. Can you feel it?

  61. @69 Someone said that Phil was LITERALLY FIDDLING WHILE ROME BURNS.

    That was the best one.

  62. As great as Durant is, he turns the ball over wayyyyyyyy too much

    Iggy is truly a remarkable defender though. A lot of guys look not so hot with him locked in on them.

  63. I understand all of the negativity with our checkered past. But it’s over now.

  64. I’d just like to remind all who said that they would completely revise their opinion of Phil Jackson if Rambis was not selected.

  65. Hey everyone was stating that the hiring of Rambis was a foregone conclusion. Maybe then it is not out of the realm of possibility that we now trade Melo for a bunch of draft picks.

  66. @78 yeah, and the Post apparently did that on a full page spread! Lol. I think maybe a lot of us aren’t used to the Knicks being run competently. So, the NY media floats phony narratives about Phil, the national media passes it along, and some of the people buy into it.

  67. In Hornacek’s good season in Phoenix, the Suns were the #8 offense and #15 defense, were 8th in pace and 5th in 3-point attempt rate. The Knicks were 26th in pace last year and 22nd in 3-point attempt rate.

    How’s it goink?

    It’s goink okay-we didn’t hire Rambis. In Phoenix, Horny had a team with mediocre/bad big men and a bevvy of talented guards. So they were good on offense and okay on defense. That’s . . .I dunno, about what you’d expect? I don’t know if he’s a system coach or if he was just doing what he could with what he had. You have a team where the 3 best players are point guards and your best defensive big is the lesser Plumlee, you’re not going to have a top 5 defense.

  68. @84 But the NTC is a major obstacle. Melo has repeatedly said that he will stay in NY, and it would be very surprising if he is not okay with Hornacek.

  69. Would have preferred Vogel or Blatt, but Hornacek is waaaaay better than Rambis so I’m willing to give him a shot. Most importantly, it shows that Phil is willing to go outside of his ego circle. Hopefully Horny didn’t have to compromise too much on the triangle or keeping Rambis as an assistant/spy for Phil.

  70. I’d just like to remind all who said that they would completely revise their opinion of Phil Jackson if Rambis was not selected.

    I’m keeping my promise. I feel a lot better about Phil at the moment. Unless this turns out to be some weird thing where Hornacek is forced to coach a rigid triangle offense, which I don’t honestly forsee, this is a step in the right direction for sure.

  71. Herring also just wrote a bit at WSJ that Hornacek will have system freedom.

    Sounds like maybe, just maybe– Phil is loosening his grip.

    If he has full system control, oh man, that’d be amazing!

  72. In Phoenix, Horny had a team with mediocre/bad big men and a bevvy of talented guards. So they were good on offense and okay on defense. That’s . . .I dunno, about what you’d expect? I don’t know if he’s a system coach or if he was just doing what he could with what he had. You have a team where the 3 best players are point guards and your best defensive big is the lesser Plumlee, you’re not going to have a top 5 defense.

    Oh, I’m with you. The “how’s it goink” was meant to point out that maybe Phil is willing to abandon his three point-hating ways. I like the hire.

  73. Jeff Hornacek was one of the more under appreciated players of his generation. He and Stockton were one of the best backcourts in NBA history. Not that it means anything about his coaching ability, but that guy could play basketball. Jeff Hornacek for Jeff Malone was an Isiah-class bad trade

  74. I was excited about the possibility of Phil hiring Rambis, it being terrible, and Phil/Melo/Rambis all being gone within 12 months. That was #1 choice.

    As far choices that don’t involve self-immolation, I suppose this is fine.

  75. Yeah, even if I might have preferred Blatt or Vogel, I’m giving Phil a very long leash now. He didn’t hire his incompetent buddy, he (if these recent reports are to be believed) didn’t insist on perpetuating the Triangle at all costs, he didn’t put his ego or the legacy of his favorite offensive system ahead of the needs of the team.

    The results may not work, because Knicks, but the process feels genuinely healthy.

  76. Yeah, even if I might have preferred Blatt or Vogel, I’m giving Phil a very long leash now. He didn’t hire his incompetent buddy, he (if these recent reports are to be believed) didn’t insist on perpetuating the Triangle at all costs, he didn’t put his ego or the legacy of his favorite offensive system ahead of the needs of the team.

    If this is just Hornacek instead of Rambis, that’s enough for me to say that Jackson is not being a stubborn asshole, which is great in and of itself. But yeah, if it is Hornacek and he can just run his own offense system? That’s just a good job hiring a good coach. Hopefully it is the latter!

  77. @96 & @97 there’s hints of saying “trump is starting to seem presidential” because he’s using people’s real names in those comments.

    He didn’t permanently hire one of the worst head coaches in NBA history. And he may not force the coach he hired to run a system he’s never used simply to satisfy his own ego.

    Ergo, kudos?

  78. Agree the beat writers (with the possible exception of Herring) don’t know shit. One was on FAN before when I heard about this, suggested that possible Phil and Hornacek knew each other from when the bulls played the Suns in the finals. Except, Horny was on Philly then.

    So, the only thing I know is, whatever Phil and Hornacek talked about, Phil didnt tell anyone. So anyone who says they know is just bullshitting.

  79. I dunno. Hornacek’s Suns ran some gorgeous offensive sets. Everyone was so active. We don’t have the talent at guard that he had in Phoenix, but I think he can be creative enough with a b uard rotation of Calderon/Wroten/Grant/Galloway. Unless Phil finds a younger PG who can shoot like Calderon, then I can see a starting backcourt of Calderon and Wroten- with Calderon gettin maybe 18-20 mpg mainly to stretch the defense and be a calming influence a la Kidd. I can live with that. Of course, I don’t expect Phil not to make changes to the backcourt rotation. If Hornacek truly does have free reign, then his system with bigs like Lopez and KP should be fun to watch. I am a little puzzled and anxious to know “why Hornacek?” though. But on the surface it doesn’t seem to be a bad hire. Time will tell.

  80. This is a good night in Knicktown. Now just tell me that Evan Turner hates Jeff Hornacek and I’ll sleep soundly.

  81. This is a good night in Knicktown. Now just tell me that Evan Turner hates Jeff Hornacek and I’ll sleep soundly.

    He was teammates this year with Isaiah Thomas, so it’s a possibility!

  82. @96 & @97 there’s hints of saying “trump is starting to seem presidential” because he’s using people’s real names in those comments.

    He didn’t permanently hire one of the worst head coaches in NBA history. And he may not force the coach he hired to run a system he’s never used simply to satisfy his own ego.

    Ergo, kudos?

    Baby steps!

  83. Seth Curry in Hornacek’s offense would be brilliant. That’s all I’m gonna say.

    I wonder what Hornacek’s offense means for KP.

  84. I wonder what Hornacek’s offense means for KP.

    It could be so beautiful.

  85. From that Grantland link:

    You mentioned effective field goal percentage before. People tell me you’re a numbers guy. What numbers do you like to use?

    I’m a math guy. I was an accounting major, so I like numbers. I look at all that stuff, and I use it as kind of background information. When you look at a five-man lineup, sometimes that’s helpful, and sometimes it’s not. You don’t know who they’re playing against, for instance. The one thing I really like to show players, which I don’t think a lot of them actually look at, is just simple shot charts. Where do they shoot the ball well from? And where don’t they?

    You’d be surprised how many times I ask a player, “If I make a play for you to shoot from the free throw line, that’s a great shot for you, right?” And the guy will say, “Oh, yeah, absolutely.” And then I’ll pull out the sheet and show him he only shot 34 percent last year from that spot. I don’t think they understand where they shoot well from.

    Unfortunately he didn’t really answer the question, but interesting. I asked Donnie Walsh the same question and he said “yes we have all that stuff” while waving his hand dismissively.

  86. Mike, can you get me in the room when he goes over the shot chart with Carmelo?

    Phil’s secret plan – have Hornacek go over shot charts with Melo every day until Melo requests a trade.

  87. Mike, can you get me in the room when he goes over the shot chart with Carmelo?

    hahahahahahaha I’d pay front-row MSG prices for that conversation, and I’d buy a ticket for the villain named ruruland too

  88. As I’ve said a bunch of times, who coaches the team right now hardly matters in terms of Ws and Ls. The good thing about Hornacek is that he’s a relatively low-profile guy that is easy to fire if things don’t go well or if a better option comes along.

    If the main solace is that he’s not Rambis, showing that Phil is not as rigid as feared, whatever. We need good players and to get them in a way that doesn’t compromise the future. This team is still pretty far from being a playoff team. Other ECF non-playoff teams are better set up for improving than we are…Bucks and Magic, to name 2. Barring some masterful moves, Hornacek will not make much of a difference.

  89. I am hopeful.

    As Andy Dufrense said, “Hope is a good thing.”

    This might work. It might fail.

    It is better than doing the same thing as last year (which failed) and expecting better results.

    It is also better than hiring someone that would immediately engender a crisis (Blatt) because the star would feel plunked and demand a trade while holding a veto under his NTC.

  90. That Grantland article linked to above (from 2013) is really a great read. I mean seriously, this Q&A could be directly transposed to our team:

    You guys were either no. 1 or no. 2 in midrange jumpers, and fell way below the league’s average in 3-point attempts. Do you want to change that?

    Oh, yeah. We gotta get rid of that long 2. I’m not opposed to the middle jumper, in that 15- or 16-foot range. I think all but two teams that were in the playoffs, their effective field goal percentages were above 51 percent. If you can shoot 15-footers and shoot 52 percent, OK, you’re beating the average. You can’t totally discount those shots.

    Especially as defenses get better, sometimes they are the only open shots you can get. You’re not getting a corner 3 or a dunk every time down against the Pacers.

    Right. We’ll take a look at it all. But the ones we have to eliminate are the ones that are within 4 or 5 feet of the 3-point line. Those are low-percentage shots worth two points.

    I mean, that’s just music to my ears.

    Obviously I have been very critical of Phil. But the caveat always was whether what we were being told by the media was for real or whether Phil was basically trolling us. And it seems like he was. Assuming Herring et al are correct, and that Hornacek will be given free rein to create his own system, I think this is a really good hire. I would’ve been fine with Blatt or Vogel too, but the idea that he hired a guy who’s just smart and that he respects, and is going to TRUST him to make the best of the roster — that’s great.

    In the rest of the Grantland article (and in the bballbreakdown youtube link on the PHX offense), you can see stylistically why they might have some “simpatico”. Lots of 2 guard fronts, some emphasis on post game to create shots around the perimeter etc. I think this is really good.

  91. I can also imagine a timeline like this:

    – Phil fires Fisher because he’s being cut out of the loop and because Phil doesn’t like what he’s seeing on the court
    – Phil lets Rambis run the show, fully intending to hire Rambis full-time.
    – Phil hears in exit interviews that the players hate Rambis and the Triangle. Phil still wants to hire Rambis full-time.
    – Phil runs Triangle band camp and all the players are falling asleep and are only there to make him happy (I’ve heard from a couple writers (FWIW) that players thought band camp was really painful)
    – Carmelo basically comes out and says he’s not going to support Rambis
    – Phil goes on a long acid trip in Montana, where Lazenby and co. say he goes to get away and really think about things. He reflects for a bit, and realizes he can’t be so stubborn – that his legacy is WINNING, not the triangle.
    – Phil goes on his interviewing spree, hiding it from the media just to piss us off
    – hires the best man for the job, triangle or not.

    That’s a totally believable progression to me. And if that’s the case, I’m 100% for it. Call me reub.

  92. @Z-Man

    Honestly this team really isn’t that far from the playoffs. They’re 2 competent guards additions to the backcourt away and some improved minutes management from the coaching staff.

    Making those improvements may not be easy, but that’s why Phil is getting paid $12m. He addressed the frontcourt last summer relatively fine. Now it’s time to shift the focus to wings and if possible PG.

  93. btw – now that we have established Howard Beck as the only person who really has any sort of credibility amongst the “news breakers”, it should be noted that yes, Beck called the Hornacek thing back in February, but also that Beck said months ago that Phil was never as married to the Triangle as much as public perception thought he was. Can’t remember which podcast he said it on, but he said clearly that Phil believes in system basketball, and it’s just that he thinks the Triangle is the best (but not only good) system. Very possible that he reflected on two guys he really respects (Kerr/Walton) both using parts of the Triangle but not the whole thing, and players’ general reaction to it, and decided that it’s time to move forward.

  94. @119 – Agreed, but one of them has to be borderline all-star and I’m pretty sure we’re getting that in the free agent market.

    @120 – Beck is no Isola or Berman, that’s for sure.

    I’m OK with this hire and was worried it would be Blatt or Rambis he hired. Both are big no’s for me.

    I’m slightly less depressed today.

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