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Noted some discussion of point differential in previous thread. The potential practical significance lies in deciding HCA between the Knicks and Pistons in the #2/#3 seed game in the quarterfinals, in the very plausible scenario that both teams win their games tonight. Knicks currently have a +2 advantage on DET, so it’s just about as close as it can be, going in.
If Magic beat Pistons tonight (in DET) then there are no point differential implications for tonight’s NYK outcome. A Knicks win would have them as the #3 seed to the Raptors’ #2, and the QF game would be in TOR.
Good post, Timo. Your first?
In other words, keeping the starters in the game on Wednesday may earn us a home game against Detroit instead of a road game. I’d say that’s pretty significant.
Also worth pointing out KAT, Brunson, Bridges, and Hart played 32, 34, 36, and 34 minutes, respectively. Not exactly heavy minutes.
Some of you guys are trying so hard to criticize Brown it hurts.
Call me crazy, but I don’t see any reason whatsoever in having your starters still in a game that you are up by 25+ points with less than 3 minutes left, unless you are a team going nowhere this season anyway. That it is even used as a tiebreaker rather than something more creative (like bench scoring differential?) is absurd.
I don’t blame Brown (well I do, but it’s no biggie) as much as I do Silver. I can only imagine what someone like Pop would have done if he were still coaching the championship-level Spurs. He would probably rest all 5 starters on the road vs. DET and take the L, just as an act of protest vs. the league’s stupid money-grab tournament.
An unintended (or intended?) consequence of the IST is that it throws the balance of the schedule totally out of whack. Wasn’t it 2 years ago when we wound up playing the Celtics and Bucks extra games?
And that the finals of the IST doesn’t count in the standings or stats? That it totally fucked up. One of these years a big star is going to pop an ACL in that meaningless game, and hopefuly there will be hell to pay.
good emphasis by posting it twice
On the topic of Mike Brown, he is currently admitting to being “wrong” about a couple of his decisions, something I never heard Thibs do.
No there won’t. It’s all about maximizing revenue and the players get ~50% of BRI
Timmo, appreciate your analysis, it all also explains why the Knicks were throwing shots up with like 5-10 seconds to go, rather than dribbling out the clock. Seemed like poor sportsmanship, and I guess it is, but welcome to the tourney. It’s always interesting when people are forced to behave badly.
they really need to nix that point differential thing its such a fundamentally bad idea that its almost shocking to recognize that they havent seemed to realize it yet elam endings would be fun but i cant imagine them implementing that for what ends up being quite a large number of overall games or just kill the tournament entirely it was cute for a bit but is getting less and less interest with each passing year as has already been stated though theyve already recognized the extra money that can be made off of it so the chances of them doing that arent great
Thanks hubert; not exactly my first but it has been a while since I signed up and made an initial post.
I lack strong feelings about the Cup format one way or the other. Given the rules, I was rooting for the Knicks to run up the score Wednesday night, and was pleased to see the deep bench hold up their end when they got the opportunity.
It didn’t seem to bother you this much last year when, in nearly the same exact game (at Charlotte in December), with nearly the same exact score (a 24 point blowout), and in a non-IST game where point differential was meaningless, Mikal Bridges logged 47 minutes, OG played 40, KAT played 39, and Josh Hart played 38.
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401704893
IIRC after that game you stumped for Thibs by pushing the narrative that the minutes are offset by how he doesn’t push his players hard in practice.
This would be one hell of an epiphany for you if it weren’t such transparent trolling.
“IIRC after that game you stumped for Thibs by pushing the narrative that the minutes are offset by how he doesnāt push his players hard in practice.”
IIRC? LOL you rarely recall anything correctly. Here’s the game thread, I’ll let anyone who cares check for themselves whether I was “stumping” for Thibs, or whether you are just weirdly blindsiding me on a peaceful morning after Thanksgiving out of, I dunno, being an asshole?
Can anyone (excluding cappuchino-overdosing grudge-filled curmudgeon gadflies) come up with a) a better way to decide tiebreakers that doesn’t lead to teams running up scores, b) balances out the schedule re: home/road and stronger/weaker opponents created by the IST, and c) counts winning the finals for something that is beneficial to the team’s overall situation?
For c) I would either give the two finalists an automatic homecourt advantage in their conference playoffs, or if they miss the playoffs but are in the play-in, an automatic playoff berth, or if they miss the play-in, an automatic spot in an extension of the play-in without affecting their lottery position or odds.
I made a jokey ābring back the minutes policeā comment in the last game thread, but that was with tongue in cheek. For the most part I think Brown has distributed minutes reasonably so far. We have one player in the top 20 in minutes per game, Mikal Bridges, who ranks 13th.
Last year we had 3 guys in the top 5 and 5 guys in the top 20. That shit was pretty wild.
Brown has been doing an excellent job of managing minutes. We can quibble about rotations, tactics, strategies, etc., but definitely a refreshing change from his predecessor.
I also like his candor, although I think sometimes he says too much…not for my sake as a fan, I love hearing it. I just wonder if he puts things out there that players might think are sort of passive aggressive and whiney.
For a) how about the highest point differentials after 3 quarters? Or just a plain ol’ lottery system?
Thanks for the link, Z-Man. I was too lazy to search for it myself.
Hereās you shilling for Thibs the day after the game, exactly like I recalled:
People are talking about it on Twitter and here but Mikal has been fantastic this year. Itās really unexpected and welcome.
Did you actually read the last paragraph? Or my comments during the game thread, when I used words like “bizarre” and starting making sarcastic comments about what if Thibs coached Wilt. I’m not condoning anything, just commenting on his rationale in that it might deeper than about winning every game at all costs.
Anyway, what the fuck is your point in attacking me? Why did you feel the need to go there? Did I attack or insult or demean you in any way this morning, or yesterday, or the day before? Or am I still living in your head full time? Please explain.
I sometimes picture myself in leather (and im not opposed to dressing up – certainly would come dressed for Hubertās stylings) but truly the only leather I own is in an exotic collection of sex toys and cockrings and belts and shoes.
how about what the old contintental basketball association used to use each game was worth a total of 7 points—3 points for the win and 1 point for winning each of the four quarters and yes tie quarters were simply marked at 0.5 points these points were actually used in the standings much like those used in nhl standings today
This discussion about running up the score brings up an interesting question when it comes to SRS.
One of things that comes up from time to time is the team that outperforms/underperforms it’s SRS by season record.
A lot of it may just be noise, but I think it’s at least possible the best offensive teams tend to have mildly inflated SRSs and vice versa.
When the best offensive teams are on a roll, they tend to blow teams out which enhances their SRS. The great defensive teams tend to keep games close and then lock down wins late.
So maybe the great offensive team with an SRS of +5 is not quite as good as the great defensive team with an SRS of +4 if they went head to head.
I enjoy seeing teams run up the score instead of coasting for a quarter. Teams playing harder is more fun to watch.
I don’t think Brown has ever been considered stingy with his minutes, he’s just better with them than Thibs.
Yeah I read your footnote.
In sum:
Thibs played his starter 47 minutes in a game heās up 25 and your position was: āthereās a solid rationale behind this.ā
Mike Brown played his starters 36 minutes in a game where point differential might lead to an extra regular season win, and your take is: āI donāt see any reason whatsoever in having your starters still in a game that you are up by 25+ points with less than 3 minutes left.ā
The double standard is pretty plain to see. You defended egregious minutes abuse for 5 years. Now suddenly thereās no excuse for fairly benign distributions in games where point differential matters. Itās pretty obvious youāre trying to go tit for tat with the minutes police but thereās no tit here. Youāre manufacturing tit.
the gap is very clearly debating “too many minutes” versus debating “minutes for starters at the ends of blowouts” both of these are worthy of debate as long as we recognize that they are two very different debates because they represent two very different things
I wish there was a way to āpinā the Hubert-Zman fights to the top of the blog bc Iām just too busy to take it all in today.
howdy doc bob (KFICL), hope you are well today, definitely including your son…don’t make no difference their age, they are always something very special to us…
i’ll be honest, every time i read your words i’ll start to think: there’s probably something more i could and/or should be doing š
obviously we’ve not spoken closely enough for me to know exactly – but, it sure seems like you have a mindset which will allow you to age in prime fashion…
i wonder which came first: this do it all mindset or the distance running…
“The double standard is pretty plain to see.”
Funny, doogie doesn’t seem to see it, as he clearly expressed, thanks doogie! You’re even forgiven for your “posting it twice” comment above.
But the real question here is, why did you feel the need to even try to make that point? And why did no one else feel the need to do so?
What’s at the root of this need to “expose” this apparent “double standard” and call me a troll in the context of a perfectly civil discussion about tiebreaker rules the IST? Is this your way of suggesting that the board is too dumb to understand what I have said in the past vs. what I am saying today? Or to care as deeply about it as you do?
Correct but weāre talking about the same thing. Same opponent, same score, same coaching decision. One defended, one decried.
The 47 mins just made it more egregious.
“I wish there was a way to āpinā the Hubert-Zman fights to the top of the blog bc Iām just too busy to take it all in today.”
It’s been made pretty clear from the preponderance of posters that these “fights” are not appreciated. Today I got unnecessarily blindsided. Sadly, this happens fairly regularly. Hmm, I wonder why.
No one blindsided you, dude. You came on here and killed Mike Brown for leaving his starters in too long. I just pointed out you never had a problem with it before, and then you melted down when faced with the kind of accountability people here deal with all the time.
You are the last guy who should be here killing a coach for leaving his starters in too long. Thatās not a personal attack.
Iāll leave it up to anyone who cares to decide the whoās right and whoās wrong here, or to read the comments from the old game thread in context to determine whether I am being hypocritical or not. In any case, given how the board feels about our interactions, you should be the last one to point it out, and if nobody else does, then itās probably not a thing. And since when is calling somebody a troll not a personal attack?
ANDā¦ Mike Brown didnāt leave his starters in too longā¦ that point differential could be the difference between Detroit at home or Detroit on the roadā¦ thatās a real, tangible reason to play your starters in a 25 point gameā¦ he should not be getting killed for this by anyone.
Have ChatGPT do knickerblogger Black Friday now where we all want the same TV at best buy.
Donnie, I think a junior version of that is playing out before our eyes in real time…
Giannis is playing.
seems yabusele has carved out a role first guy off the bench dont bother shooting or scoring unless its a wide open 3 grab a few rebounds and play about 10 minutes its not much but hes pretty consistent at it his game logs are almost astoundingly consistent
Iām still not sure if Yabusele is earning his money, but he does seem better than he was at the beginning of the season.
Geo,
Thank you for your kind concern. My son was discharged from the hospital today. My wife and I took a 75 minute drive to pick him up and even longer to drive him back to our house (traffic building up). Thanksgiving dinner will be tomorrow.
To answer your question in cliff notes form, I was always a bit driven to hard work. I was a homely kid with a speech impediment. With heart problems starting at age 6, I was not a good athlete (slowest kid in whole school in 7th grade). So, I was always trying to find something that I could do reasonably well. I played one on one basketball against the best player in Paramus to hone my skills in that sport. I got good enough to possibly make my junior high team but “chickened out” when it was tryout time. I vowed I would tryout for a team in the spring. The choices were baseball (which I sucked at) or the track team (I was improving at running in 9th grade gym class). I chose the latter. In the first meet, I surprised myself by winning the mile run by a quarter of a track margin over local powerhouse, Bergen Catholic. I have been running ever since that day at age 14 (162,000 miles worth).