1. His skill set is pretty capably replaced by McBride
2. His low-usage tendencies means we had to run units out there where like every single guy had a sub-15 USG%
3. Those units were unplayable

In a vacuum, you could make the argument that Grimes is more valuable in the short term than a guy like Bogdanovic, but in reality he wasn’t helping us all that much because of the context of the team. Bojan’s not a point guard but dude has a .600 TS% on 24 USG%. That is far, far more valuable on offense than a guy with a .543 TS% on 15 USG%, especially considering we have loads of players who already do the low-usage defense-oriented thing.

Burks has stunk, I will grant you that. That part of the trade is not working out so far.

The more distant future is obviously a separate question, but in the 2024 playoffs I would much, much, much rather have Bogey than Quentin Grimes.

This. And I think Leon thinks Burks is an obvious upgrade over Flynn in the same context. Both for pennies on the dollar. Time will tell.

And I’m going to have to miss the first quarter. Someone note the starting five in the game thread, I’ll catch up…

But who knows, with how things have gone this year I’m half-expecting Brunson to be day-to-day for a few months.

this shit is so tedious, we’re not playing well because people are hurt. Keeping Grimes (who has missed most of the games since he was traded) would not have helped at all, and if the team is healthy he’s not that valuable

Yes, but more valuable than Burks or Bojan. That is the point. Our new players aren’t even helping us when we are banged up and will be even less helpful when we are healthy. Burks doesn’t belong in a playoff rotation and we will see about Bojan.

We know Grimes would be valuable, because we saw it all last year, even if he would be our 8th man and only play for 15 minutes a game in the playoffs. I am unsure if Bojan will be better and I am sure Burks won’t. Both won’t be in the rotation if we are healthy and frankly, neither might at this rate.

None of the rumored decent PG options were traded except for Rozier and he’s been awful for the Heat so far.

Monte Morris (traded for a 2030 2nd), Schroder (traded for expiring salary), and Dinwiddie (waived after the deadline) were all moved and would all be very good backup 15 minute a game PGs for us and would most certainly be better than PG Burks.

Plus everyone knows Brogdon, Murray, and Jones were available for a modest price. Most likely one 1st for Brogdon, two 1sts for Murray, and two 2nds or one bad 1st for Jones.

This ignores a giant elephant in the room, which is that almost 100% of Grimes’ 3-pointers are assisted.

Assisted 3P%, last three years:

Grimes 97.8%
Bojan 87.8%
Burks 74.3%

Grimes pretty much never shoots anything that isn’t a spot-up. Bogey shoots a lot of them too, but Grimes is almost at 100% for his career. His ability to shoot a pull-up or shoot off the bounce is non-existent.

The differences in 2 pointers are even more stark:

Grimes 74.7%
Bojan 55.8%
Burks 40.7%

Your overall shooting numbers are going to look a lot better if you never shoot unless it’s a wide open spot-up.

That is a fair point but I think that is also due to role. In Thibs’s offense, some players create, and some players are created for. We will see where Bojan falls in that spectrum and if he still has much shot creation left in the tank. As for Burks, I want none of his created offense. He might shoot 60% of his 2’s unassisted but he also shoots under 40% from 2 and is an absolute trainwreck when he isn’t simply catching and shooting.

Plus for the first time, Grimes was actually creating offense from 2 in January and looked like he might be more than just a catch-and-shoot player. (Though this very much remains to be seen)

RJ could create a lot of bad shots too and it drove us all mad. Burks is largely the same but even worse.

@Ben R, I totally agree with your frustration about getting no PG, but I must point out that getting no real point guard in any trade or draft is just Knicks business as usual. It took a decade or more to get Brunson, so I suspect we’ll only get a competent PG for the 2nd unit sometime around the All Star break 2030, taking roughly half the time to find roughly half the quality player.