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		By: Rough		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apropos Tyrese Maxey. Something inside me tells me that the Raptors got their own Maxey today. I hope I am wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos Tyrese Maxey. Something inside me tells me that the Raptors got their own Maxey today. I hope I am wrong.</p>
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		By: Rough		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 05:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Moving on from the young players hurts because they were fun, but in recent years we missed several opportunities to draft the kind of players that would have changed the franchise. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In 2017, we drafted Ntilikina 8th over Donovan Mitchell (13th). Anunoby was also drafted 23rd that year. In 2018, we drafted Knox 9th over SGA (11th) and Mikal Bridges (10th). In 2020 we drafted Obi 8th over Haliburton (12th) and Tyrese Maxey (21st). Sad to remember those blunders but we are not the only team that committed them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Moving on from the young players hurts because they were fun, but in recent years we missed several opportunities to draft the kind of players that would have changed the franchise. </p></blockquote>
<p>In 2017, we drafted Ntilikina 8th over Donovan Mitchell (13th). Anunoby was also drafted 23rd that year. In 2018, we drafted Knox 9th over SGA (11th) and Mikal Bridges (10th). In 2020 we drafted Obi 8th over Haliburton (12th) and Tyrese Maxey (21st). Sad to remember those blunders but we are not the only team that committed them.</p>
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		By: Stratomatic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 04:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Moving on from the young players hurts because they were fun, but in recent years we missed several opportunities to draft the kind of players that would have changed the franchise.  RJ was certainly not that kind of player. Losing Quickley could come back to haunt us a bit, but we are now clearly only 1 player away, the pieces we have left fit together well, and we have the assets to land that last piece. Assuming we don’t totally empty the cupboard landing Mitchell (or whoever) it makes sense to start drafting and developing again also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving on from the young players hurts because they were fun, but in recent years we missed several opportunities to draft the kind of players that would have changed the franchise.  RJ was certainly not that kind of player. Losing Quickley could come back to haunt us a bit, but we are now clearly only 1 player away, the pieces we have left fit together well, and we have the assets to land that last piece. Assuming we don’t totally empty the cupboard landing Mitchell (or whoever) it makes sense to start drafting and developing again also.</p>
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		By: djphan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 04:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it was never the &#039;hybrid method&#039;.... when you start incinerating picks .. then trading those maybe picks for end of rotation guys... and then also trading out of lotto picks for even more vets... while also spending picks on low upside 3 and D guys with the scouting report.. &#039;immediate contributor&#039; ... it was always &#039;win right now right this second&#039;.... 

they hung on to RJ and IQ and Obi until the last possible second to see a breakout and simultaneously find a suitable vet... IQ was going to get traded no matter what... 

this whole hybrid strategy needs to be wiped from the vocabulary... very obvious at the time and now in hindsight that was never the plan...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was never the &#8216;hybrid method&#8217;&#8230;. when you start incinerating picks .. then trading those maybe picks for end of rotation guys&#8230; and then also trading out of lotto picks for even more vets&#8230; while also spending picks on low upside 3 and D guys with the scouting report.. &#8216;immediate contributor&#8217; &#8230; it was always &#8216;win right now right this second&#8217;&#8230;. </p>
<p>they hung on to RJ and IQ and Obi until the last possible second to see a breakout and simultaneously find a suitable vet&#8230; IQ was going to get traded no matter what&#8230; </p>
<p>this whole hybrid strategy needs to be wiped from the vocabulary&#8230; very obvious at the time and now in hindsight that was never the plan&#8230;</p>
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		By: BigBlueAL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 04:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will say at least the players Knicks are acquiring and building around are youngish players who could be around for a long time.  They have a relatively young core despite none of them being drafted, at least this isn&#039;t a Clippers situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say at least the players Knicks are acquiring and building around are youngish players who could be around for a long time.  They have a relatively young core despite none of them being drafted, at least this isn&#8217;t a Clippers situation.</p>
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		By: JK47		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 04:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hear you, Swift. I’d love to see a mostly homegrown team blossom into something great, but unfortunately that is not the path we’re taking. And when it comes to our homegrown guys, we haven’t done a great job of selecting them in the first place. It hurts to lose Quickley, who was like a ray of sunshine compared to most of the other stiffs we have drafted. Obi was fun at times but very limited. RJ is an Andrew Wiggins type that I could never really believe in. 

I’d be more upset if we really broke up a promising young core, but honestly we never had that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, Swift. I’d love to see a mostly homegrown team blossom into something great, but unfortunately that is not the path we’re taking. And when it comes to our homegrown guys, we haven’t done a great job of selecting them in the first place. It hurts to lose Quickley, who was like a ray of sunshine compared to most of the other stiffs we have drafted. Obi was fun at times but very limited. RJ is an Andrew Wiggins type that I could never really believe in. </p>
<p>I’d be more upset if we really broke up a promising young core, but honestly we never had that.</p>
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		By: walkerandbendercornerstones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 04:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man I’m now going from being happy to being sad about this trade.

Not so much for OG, who I like, but just thinking about how Leon’s first draft was Obi and IQ and now both are gone.

Obi was a bad pick but Leon made up for it with IQ. But then he gave RJ that dumb extension. Extension of not you’d still have the issue of Brunson blocking a lot of IQ’s minutes but if we’d not given that extension to RJ, we maybe could have gotten OG without giving up IQ, who is the best young player we’ve drafted in forever.

IQ and Brunson would work with a long wing like OG. 

And it feels like the “hybrid” method is now leaning squarely towards the “sign and trade for vets and free agents” method. Like who we got that is homegrown now? Grimes and McBride and Mitch? This time last year it was those three plus IQ, RJ and Obi.

All I know is while in happy to get OG here in a little bummed the youth movement is over for the most part. And whatever big move Leon makes next, I hope he has some picks left over so we can get back to drafting players again, preferably at least one in this upcoming draft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man I’m now going from being happy to being sad about this trade.</p>
<p>Not so much for OG, who I like, but just thinking about how Leon’s first draft was Obi and IQ and now both are gone.</p>
<p>Obi was a bad pick but Leon made up for it with IQ. But then he gave RJ that dumb extension. Extension of not you’d still have the issue of Brunson blocking a lot of IQ’s minutes but if we’d not given that extension to RJ, we maybe could have gotten OG without giving up IQ, who is the best young player we’ve drafted in forever.</p>
<p>IQ and Brunson would work with a long wing like OG. </p>
<p>And it feels like the “hybrid” method is now leaning squarely towards the “sign and trade for vets and free agents” method. Like who we got that is homegrown now? Grimes and McBride and Mitch? This time last year it was those three plus IQ, RJ and Obi.</p>
<p>All I know is while in happy to get OG here in a little bummed the youth movement is over for the most part. And whatever big move Leon makes next, I hope he has some picks left over so we can get back to drafting players again, preferably at least one in this upcoming draft.</p>
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		By: ess-dog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 03:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Btw, Knox had a nice little game tonight in a big Pistons win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, Knox had a nice little game tonight in a big Pistons win.</p>
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		By: ess-dog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 03:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hard to believe Miles is one of two recent draft picks to still be on the squad. And Grimes is probably as good as gone, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to believe Miles is one of two recent draft picks to still be on the squad. And Grimes is probably as good as gone, too.</p>
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		By: Stratomatic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stratomatic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2023 03:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[0 - 1 without Quickley <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f609.png" alt="😉" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>0 &#8211; 1 without Quickley 😉</p>
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