If you’re comparing rim running centers, a list of WP for these players will pretty much give you a very accurate description of who is more effective in that specific role. The same goes for PER and high volume shooters. The issue really is expecting stats like those to give you an accurate picture of the entire NBA and to rank players properly across a bunch of different archetypes and sizes and etc.

All those stats can be useful tools, they just have to be weighted properly by people who understand the process behind them. I come from a very heavy soccer background and I think the fact that it’s such an impossible game to capture with stats made me understand eventually that all encompassing stats won’t work without context. Basketball is easier in that sense, but still complex enough that you really can’t expect too much accuracy from those tools.

Even so, PER correlates very strongly with oft-cited BPM, which folks use sll the time here, because, well, it’s pretty good! Whereas, WP correlates with WS, which hardly anyone still uses here because, well, it’s pretty bad!

In other words, it’s way easier to correct for any inherent flaws in PER than it is for WP, except for extreme outliers. For the vast, vast majority of players, PER is the more accurate (or less inaccurate) metric. I don’t see how that can possibly be disputed.

Nah.

Speaking of hope, or lack thereof, over the Twolves’ last six games (5-1) , KAT’s averaging 26.7 points, 8.8 rebounds and three assists while shooting 59.4 percent from the field, 48.5 percent on 3s and 92.3 percent from the line.

No during-game naps, Julius…

in a game of rock paper scissors… the perfect strategy is to go rock… paper or scissors exactly 1/3 of the time… but if someone deviates and puts out.. for example… paper… like 40 percent of the time… the perfect strategy against that is to go scissor 100% of the time…. then the other guy adjusts and so and on and so forth….
same thing happened in baseball and other sports and things like poker and chess where big inefficiencies were discovered… it becomes the dominant strategy or way of thinking and people adjust…

WP was going scissors 100% of the time… altho it wasn’t some strategy or even a dominant anything.. it was more a speed bump… but it’s biggest legacy was bringing an awareness to how current conventional wisdom wasn’t sufficient… same thing with PER.. but it overdid it in a way where it needed be refined… or taken in a different direction altogether… but when you’re trying to solve a big question … knowing how and how why things don’t work that have been tried is just as valuable as knowing things that do… it was immensely valuable in that regard….

Missed FGs in PER is like giving bonuses for usage, which goes up with every missed shot (and even worse, for each TO)

They all correlate pretty well. And I would say that if PER performs better now it’s mostly because of the revolution WP helped create. People care about efficiency now.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/20/sports/knicks-lawsuit-want-10-million-from-raptors-claim-adam-silver-compromised/

Are we making two enemies now? Instead of just one (Raptors), we added a second (Silver).

Okay.