Comments on: Knicks Morning News (2023.09.07)

By: Hubert IV

Hubert IV — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 11:44:11 +0000

if you really wanna pick nits walsh is at worst 40% responsible for that team

You are on record saying Walsh tried to talk Dolan out of making the Melo trade but you’re also trying to say that Walsh deserves 40% of the credit for Grunwald’s team because he traded for Melo.

So the Melo trade is Walsh’s when it comes to the 54 wins, but it’s Dolan’s when it comes to all the assets we threw away.

This is some Simone Biles shit.

By: Hubert IV

Hubert IV — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 11:37:51 +0000

Steve Mills was COO of sports business during the Layden years and during the Isiah years.

He was in the room for all those bad decisions we’ve been lambasting Layden and Isiah for.

Donnie, this might be the most specious argument ever presented here.

By: Z--man

Z--man — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 11:03:14 +0000

Well so much for a USA-Canada final. Can’t blame this one on RJ: 32 min, 23 points on 14 shots, 5-6 from 2, 3-8 from 3, 3reb, 2 ast, 2 tov, including 4-5 for 11 points in the 4th. Serbia just outplayed Team Canada and wouldn’t let them come back. Bogdan was tough.

By: BernieErnie

BernieErnie — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 10:45:59 +0000

Canada out. RJ had a decent game.

By: gkhenman

gkhenman — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 09:21:25 +0000

Mills also wanted to take Donovan Mitchell over Frank. If they had fired Phil before the draft, that would have changed things quite a bit.

By: geo man

geo man — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 04:25:09 +0000

man madison keys has some serious quads, she could make barkley jealous…

kind of rooting for sabalenka though…

By: Early Bird Writes

Early Bird Writes — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 04:06:33 +0000

Sure, we can say Mills/Perry was competent, but I’m not going to agree that Mills was anything other than incompetent.

What we know of Mills (separate from Mills/Perry) was pretty much the Ron Baker contract, the THJr contract, and not wanting the IQ pick. It’s a small sample but there’s enough dumb in it to convince me that Perry carried us through that era.

By: Z--man

Z--man — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 03:42:47 +0000

Walsh was the Knicks lead executive from 4/2/2008 to 6/30/2011. He squandered nearly every available draft pick in the asset bank in the process of acquiring two faux max players, eventually assembling a final product build around those two, a third actually good signing acquired via the luck of an amnesty clause by Grunwald, some gimmicky scrubs like Novak, Lin, and Fields,, and a rotation filled out with journeymen and washed-up vets. The team did not win a single playoff game during his 3-year tenure. However, his brilliant work was instrumental in building a team that eventually….won exactly one playoff series and two games in the second round in the two years after he left, and zero playoff games in the seven years after that.

Rose took over a team projected to win the fewest games in the NBA. His team made the playoffs in his very first year. In his first 3 years, he assembled a young rotation full of players on no worse (and mostly better than market value deals (except perhaps RJ), retained all future first rounders plus surplus picks, at least three of which are likely to convey as firsts. His product has already won as many playoff games and has gone as far as all of the teams that Walsh can even take partial credit for. If Leon left tomorrow (i.e on the same timetable that Walsh had) the next GM would have among the most favorable situations inherited by a Knicks GM in the franchise’s history.

Walsh was the ultimate merc…he whiffed on LeBron and went all in on sloppy seconds. Leon is in for the long haul and has patiently and conservatively built a sustainable and improvable roster without the ignominity of tanking for several seasons or blowing all the picks. The differences between what the two have accomplished in their 3-year run couldn’t be more stark.

By: djphan

djphan — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 02:57:52 +0000

well melo was the best player on that team…. hence half credit… i mean literally everyone else besides jr had microscopic usage… also i’m pretty sure shump and fields were walsh picks too…. if you really wanna pick nits walsh is at worst 40% responsible for that team and you could make an argument it’s actually 60 or 70% ….

i also give mills/perry half credit for this current iteration and that rose was handed .. by far.. the best situation and roster that any knick gm had inherited…. i don’t worship what walsh did either… i don’t even really think about those teams much at all in fact…. but to talk about him like he’s some special loser of a gm while we’re anointing deity to this other guy… like.. that takes a lot to square….

they’re peas in the same pod… and those other peas are in another pod…

By: Donnie Walsh

Donnie Walsh — Fri, 08 Sep 2023 02:11:31 +0000

Steve Mills was COO of sports business during the Layden years and during the Isiah years. He left during the Walsh/Grunwald years (the only reasonably good span during his 15 year window as an exec). He was in the room for all those bad decisions we’ve been lambasting Layden and Isiah for. And he also victim-blamed his employees and helped lose an $11,000,000 lawsuit. Saying the he was a better Knicks exec than Walsh is ridiculous. Mills was an unqualified disaster who failed upward to the highest office. Walsh was just not terribly successful and then left. He’s not as bad, sorry.