Would I even have listened to the Barbie soundtrack without them?

By your numbers Keels shot 35% in the regular g league season on pretty high volume and 33% in summer league so that’s kind of median NBA three point shooting. Maybe the summer league number are slightly worse than the regular season ones because most of them came off the dribble. I have no idea why his free throws are so bad though.

Clearly this isn’t great shooting, but he’s nineteen and has been in college one year and g league one year. Windler, on the other hand, is already 26 because he was in college for four years and in the NBA g league for four years with three years mostly in the NBA. He’s not a point guard and still didn’t shoot a lot of threes (unlike Keels) which I assume was at least partly a coaches decision based on what they saw him do in practice. If you like Windler because he can rebound okay, but I can’t agree he has more potential for a breakout as a shooter. I do agree Keels needs more work, but I still don’t understand why the Knicks apparently prefer Windler to him.

Keels shot 34.5% on 5.9 attempts per game in G league last year.

He shot 35% in the regular season but only 26% during the showcase (I have no idea why they separate these). Full season it was only 32%.

His ft% didn’t inspire much more confidence at 71% in the regular season and a much worse 66% over the full-season. I’m a lot less forgiving about the idea of adjusting to an NBA FT line.

He followed that up with shooting 33% from 3 in SL and 40% from the line.

His hype in HS was an elite shooter. If you chalk the Showcase up to adjustment, which is fair, 35% is still below NBA average despite playing in the g-league. Maybe he’s an okay shooter but that’s a big hit to any projection.

I don’t know what you mean about a repeated year. He’s only played one year in G league

And 1 year in college where he shot 31%, so 2 years

but it’s ok and he was playing point guard.

I don’t think he was playing PG most of the time. His teammate averaged 6.5apg and was most likely playing point.

He stepped in sometimes, and he’s very savvy in the PnR, but he wasn’t the starting PG and doesn’t seem capable of playing point in the NBA.

Windler shot 32.2% on 1.8 attempts per game for his three years playing with Cleveland which is significantly worse than Keels and he has enough experience and age that’s probably what he is. I still don’t see any reason to sign him instead of letting Keels develop another year.

I’d love to keep Keels and have a play for the future but he’s not close to ready now.

If Windler finds his shot, then he’s ready now and could find himself in the rotation after injury or the big trade.

But there are no facts here; it’s my smoke signals vs your tea leaves.

Well, my tea leaves come from Jimmy Butler’s actual mouth, which you can hear yourself if you listen to him say them.

But I understand your position re:Giannis vis-à-vis Embiid. My only issue with it is that I have read threads where the KB consensus is not to trade for Jimmy Butler because of opportunity cost, and not to trade for Damian Lillard because of opportunity cost, and to not trade for Donovan Mitchell because of opportunity cost, etc… But to basically concoct a personality disorder out of nothing about the reigning MVP and outright awesome comedian that is Joel Embiid as part of the systemic Grass Is Always Greener mentality that plagues the KB fanbase really feels like you just don’t really want to be happy with your team.

And I get it. The grass seems like it’s always greener on the other side because is always greener on the other side of the Garden. That’s why I slick my hair back now, and wear a retro Voshon Leonard Jersey, and carry a gigantic foam finger that says “Heat are Number One” with me to work everyday.

He might not have Caleb’s drive game but he’s probably not as bad athletically as Duncan Robinson

Agreed, and yet more evidence suggesting that the Knicks are trying to copy the Heat’s model of team-building to a degree, including finding and developing castoffs. Windler has been oft injured and has not shot anywhere near as well as he did in college….maybe there’s something to unlock there. Same with Knight, and to a lesser degree, Roby and Jeffries. Not that it will work, but it does seem like that’s the idea.

More like Max Strus or Duncan Robinson potential….he’s nowhere near the physical athlete that Caleb Martin is…