hollinger is a little right on martin…. but it misses the point in the Thompson twins…. the Thompson twins aren’t judged too much on what they did in overtime…. there’s a suspicion that they weren’t going all out until the playoffs and the numbers kind of show that… and they kind of obliterated the comp when they did…

so martin getting judged on this similar scale is not really cutting it…. this is the second guy they’re taking from this league so they are making some sort of bet that the league is better than it is but Im not seeing it…

But if we hadn’t traded this year’s pick for Hart, we would have miraculously chosen the right person and the right spot according to these same posters.

when you trade out you’re measured against EVERYONE you passed up because youve effectively made a judgement on everyone that they’re not worth it….

what made the Kevin knox pick so egregious? it was because sga was on the same team and he was better and mostly anyone paying attention could see that… but also because there was a line of starters picked right behind him…. you picked knox and effectively said that he’s better than all those guys….

trading out of the knox pick would be the same thing…. you’re saying nothing or Josh hart or ihart or kemba walker was effectively better than what you would’ve gotten and so you’re judged on everyone you passed up…

this is not some new thing…. everyone has judged every front office on this standard… just the other day someone brought up cleanthony early when we passed up on jokic and no one batted an eye… why is judging rose on all these other dudes so out of bounds is beyond me….

So what’s the move here? Re-sign Hart, sign someone like DiVincenzo with the mid-level, find Obi and/or Fournier new homes, and call it an offseason? I know that would please some people here, but it feels to me like we need to do something dramatic, rather than largely run it back?

Like Bernie said, just because we could have been in a position to draft Whitmore does not mean we would have.

Feel free to do some math and get back to us.

And 45 wins ties us with Brooklyn. So maybe do the minimal amount and actually look at the standings.

But let’s assume your methodology is correct. It isn’t. But let’s give you the benefit of the doubt.

If you’re right, then without making the Josh Hart trade the Knicks would have won 45 games instead of 47. So we would have been… the 5th seed with Deuce, instead of the 5th seed with Hart.

So the Hart trade cost us a first round pick and it didn’t
even impact our standing?? That would make the trade even worse!!

But there’s no point in even going down that road. You took the Knicks winning percentage with Deuce in the lineup and used it to predict the outcome of 25 games. That can’t be taken seriously.

Tyrese Halliburton, Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman, Jalen Johnson, Keon Johnson, Jalen Williams, Cam Whitmore.

On the other hand, Jalen Brunson is the best free agent signing in Knicks history. Signing him covers up a lot of mistakes. But holy shit that’s a lot of mistakes.