Some additional points:
It seems pretty clear that the Knicks fully expected the DAL pick to convey. If not, it would have made more sense to offer that pick over their own top-14 protected pick, which I would imagine that POR would have accepted at the time. So the notion that they wanted to trade out of the draft seems absurd; they just rolled the dice on the DAL pick being the better one to retain and lost.

And had the DAL pick conveyed, it would not have been used on Cam Whitmore. Does anyone really think that he would have been the pick, given this FO’s emhasis on character, work ethic, and durability? Teams with notoriously good GMs…OKC, TOR, MIA, UTA…passed on him for not meeting their standards on that front, nor did anyone try to trade up or in to draft him as he dropped. It’s ludicrous to make the argument about him in any way whatsoever.

I also like draft picks.

I also don’t know how useful it is to look at the team’s record before the trade, since the whole idea is that the team would be better after. That’s not hindsight bias, it’s very much part of the ex ante calculation. To use an extreme example, if a 30-26 team trades a first and then wins a title, either that season or in a later season with the traded for player still on the roster, would be more than a bit bizarre to continue to critique the trade.

I’m saving a bunch getting rid of cable…the 2 boxes alone was costing me about $300 a year to “rent” – I’m probably giving it all right back with the different subscriptions I’ve got going on though 🙂

also used some of the money I saved on getting rid of the cable to up my internet from 150 mbps to 2 gb…the kids love me for that move…

no more complaints about our crappy McDonald’s wifi in the house…

That said, it’s fair to believe he’s kind of fungible in that we could get someone else instead of him this off season. DiVicenzo is a good comparison. Let’s see where he ends up and for what salary. DiVincenzo is restricted, so the Warriors have some leverage. If he ends up costing the team that acquires him something like what we paid for Hart plus what we pay to keep him, then it was clearly a good deal to get Hart earlier and have a good run in the playoffs.

yep, I’m a youtube tv person now…only bummer being no History channel on their lineup…

my 3 favorite shows right now are all on the history channel: Skinwalker Ranch, Beyond Skinwalker Ranch and season 10 of Alone…thankfully I was able to buy those seasons off of amazon…so all’s good…

still, feels a little weird to not have cable anymore…

37-16, and they were an obvious contender.

Like hell they were!!!

Sorry E, but as you know I deal with FAR too many Laker trolls to let this bit of misinformation slide. For crying out loud, they were a play-in team! Yes, The Lakers went 17-9 after the all-star break and jumped from outside the play-in partly because of the deadline roster changes, but they also leapt over a bushel of WC teams that either tanked or couldn’t get their heads out of their asses. And they drew arguably the most vulnerable #2 seed in the history of the league due to the Ja Morant situation. Followed by a matchup with a Warriors team who’s defense was bleh and a Steph Curry who used up his turn-back-the-clock sensu bean in Game 7 of the Kings series.

You wanna say they were contenders because they reached the Conference finals? That’s debatable. But they damn sure weren’t obvious.

The problem is you’re convinced we will all climb on board with you if you just yell loud and long enough. That’s kind of an unpleasant experience for the rest of us.

seriously? that’s what you’re inferring with all this? that i’m trying to convince people on the internet to change their opinion? do i get kb clout from the 10 people who post here regularly?

i’m not that smart.. but i’m also not quite that dumb…. just give me a little credit here…

not just you either… it’s a big part of the board…. and i’m not gonna get into what E says because i don’t agree with everything and especially not the way he delivers it… but i’m not a troll.. i’m here in good faith trying to have a discussion… i want to understand people which is why i bother with the internet… i ask a lot of questions but they end up being rhetorical because nobody wants to engage with them… fine…

but i’m some terrible person for not liking the deal? i’m not a fan of the team? i’m misrepresenting facts? ok yea we have a problem…. and sometimes i’m gonna spend a lot of effort to make a point … but if you don’t like what i got to say.. you don’t have to immediately infer bad intentions… and that’s generally why these discussions get in the muck…

you don’t have to like anybody’s opinion.. just come to an understanding and move on.. is your mind blown? yea cause that happens all the time i bet with you… we’re all capable of it… i promise you all these discussions.. even with E.. will go way way better if you just do that..

but i’m harping on this trade because still to this day.. people do not understand…

we had mission accomplished signs after the cavs series… if we’re signing hart to like a 25mm aav deal.. did we really win? if cam whitmore turns into a hof’er did we really win? that’s why this whole thing came up! there are at the very least other things to consider… and i’m certainly not the ones bringing this up… i promise you i am never ever instigating these discussions… i hardly ever prompt any discussion in fact… but if you challenge me i will challenge you right back….

so yea i promise i dont have leon rose voodoo dolls in my closet… or i am a trojan celtics fan or whatever… you won’t like everything that i gotta say.. but like.. you don’t have to… and you don’t have to be enraged or infer bad intentions when that happens…