Comments on: Knicks Morning News (2023.03.19)

By: cybersoze

cybersoze — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 11:24:18 +0000

I can’t believe we’re really discussing the Hart trade…

Yeah, i’m baffled. Looks like even trades that are a huge improvement are questioned for… what? Potential? How’s the chances of selecting a scrub in the draft at 20 or later? Are those chances being taken into account? Of course not, we would make a good pick for sure, only guys that will produce. Come on. Between the chances of selecting a bad player and the hard path that it’d have been to sign Hart in the offseason, it’s a good move to have him right away. And in the meantime maybe we win a playoff series, for a change.

By: Early Bird Writes

Early Bird Writes — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 05:29:01 +0000

(1) At minimum Utah would sign him. Detroit has indicated they’re ready to get out of the cellar.

(2) Additional teams can get below the cap by renouncing cap holds. This stuff is easy to look into.

(3) Other teams have the MLE. If he did sign for the MLE, it’s not necessarily with us.

(4) Trading for him let’s us keep the MLE for another player.

(5) It’s all moot because Portland would have traded him to another team at the deadline… which I said last post.

(6) Not sure why you’re so against winning now.

By: djphan

djphan — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 04:31:59 +0000

Portland moved Hart so they wouldn’t have luxury tax issues, they would not have made a sign and trade this offseason because it guarantees they take back money and they’d be over the cap.

and so you think this and still think his market would’ve been over the MLE when the only team who can sign him for over the cap doesn’t want to? and so who else was going to sign him for over the cap if that’s the case? the thunder? the pistons? rockets? the pacers? the jazz? do you think it’s everyone of these teams? any?

guys this is easy stuff to look into… maaaybe it’s not definite that we sign him.. but this is lunacy that you guys think that it’s unlikely and this was the only way… it’s either portland is willing to go into the tax to resign him in which case a sign and trade is on the table or they are unwilling in which case his market isn’t exactly a lot of teams… if any.. who will go over the MLE to sign him….

and this is really only one consideration of that deal that would undermine the whole trading picks rationale…. in isolation how much is this deal worth it if we just have a first rd exit? what is meaningful that’s coming out of these 3 months with him if the outcome would’ve been the same as it would’ve been without?

there are a lot of questions that have uneasy answers for me… and i know folks think we have a shot at the title because we have hart or that we have too many picks… and if you think that nothing anyone will say will be convincing… but once you get past the current euphoria… these questions will have to be answered and will determine whether it was worth it or not… not that we won another 3 regular season games…

By: Director NYC

Director NYC — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:57:22 +0000

Leon should just call up the NBA league office and send that 1st round pick Detroit owes us as a gratuity tip to Calvin Booth at Denver for handing us Josh Hart.

By: TNFH

TNFH — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:42:38 +0000

If we had to S&T for Hart we would’ve had to surrender an asset, probably in the range of a lottery protected first. So similar value, but without having him for this season.

My Miami Hurricanes looking to avenge Chris Copeland!

By: Knick fan not in NJ

Knick fan not in NJ — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:26:53 +0000

Not only is there risk we wouldn’t have gotten Hart if we waited till the offseason to try and sign him but we wouldn’t have had him for any games of this season, which would be a definite negative.

By: Early Bird Writes

Early Bird Writes — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:21:19 +0000

Portland moved Hart so they wouldn’t have luxury tax issues, they would not have made a sign and trade this offseason because it guarantees they take back money and they’d be over the cap.

There is no alternative in which the Knicks get Hart. Most likely he ends up on a 3rd team for a different package.

By: djphan

djphan — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:13:18 +0000

Are you taking the ~23rd pick over Hart in two years?

yea i might actually…. if that’s like maxwell lewis… or any sleeper type of pick then yea it’s worth the gamble on those type of guys.. if it’s a narrow role player type… that’s a harder decision… but the decision it’s not a pick for hart.. the decision is 3 months of hart for that pick…

and i don’t understand the notion that just because we’re capped out it would’ve been impossible to grab hart EVEN IF he started going bonkers from 3 in portland or elsewhere…. if hart wanted to come here portland would’ve taken just about anything to facilitate a sign and trade to us instead of giving him up for nothing…. that’s not a real impediment in this day and age…

By: DRed

DRed — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:04:58 +0000

IQ, Josh Hart, Quentin Grimes, Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson, and Isaiah Hartenstein were all drafted after the 23rd pick. The Knicks are a late draft pick powerhouse.

I think the trade was good, but there’s one good player on this team who was a lottery pick.

By: Z--man

Z--man — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 01:34:42 +0000

So our magic number vs. MIA is 6, right?

Their next 4 games: NYK, BKN, @TOR, @NYK
Our next 5: MIN, @MIA, @ORL, HOU, MIA

If our magic number isn’t down to 2 or lower by then, I’m going to be upset…but as I said, if we can’t win when we need to, we’re not going anywhere in the playoffs anyway, so no matter what happens against MIA I have faith that we can go at least 6-4 and get the job done.

As to BKN, our magic number with them is 8 but they are in freefall and their next 3 games are vs. CLE, CLE and @MIA. I’m conflicted about how I want them to do…is it really all that important to try to catch CLE?

These next 10 days should be fun!