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		By: BernieErnie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 22:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Donnie, geeeze, disappointing post..I hate the Celtics as much as anyone but if today I had a pick of prime Lebron or. Bird (ignoring lcareer longevity which if not ignored admittedly points to Lebron) I would lean towards Bird.  And I would expect and respect pushback but not that I am just trying “ to make a point”.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donnie, geeeze, disappointing post..I hate the Celtics as much as anyone but if today I had a pick of prime Lebron or. Bird (ignoring lcareer longevity which if not ignored admittedly points to Lebron) I would lean towards Bird.  And I would expect and respect pushback but not that I am just trying “ to make a point”.</p>
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		By: pepper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 18:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;loss&quot;
 https://www.espn.com/#:~:text=tactics%20naive%20in-,loss,-to%20Netherlands]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;loss&#8221;<br />
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		By: Z--man		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 17:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Welp, nice run!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welp, nice run!</p>
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		By: d-mar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 16:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The hot take on this will be we outplayed them and they just capitalized. Meanwhile we gave the ball away a million times and they took care of the ball]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hot take on this will be we outplayed them and they just capitalized. Meanwhile we gave the ball away a million times and they took care of the ball</p>
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		By: Owen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Dutch had a virus that spread through the team this week that produces a rash of goals. 

The Oranje have finally arrived at top form. Not much to be done unfortunately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dutch had a virus that spread through the team this week that produces a rash of goals. </p>
<p>The Oranje have finally arrived at top form. Not much to be done unfortunately.</p>
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		By: Donnie Walsh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 16:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Strat packaged this argument as “LeBron is over-rated and isn’t one of the best players ever” just to be “contrarian”,  but really all he’s saying is that Bird was better and LeBron is still, basically, the 4th best player all-time. It’s a silly discussion to perpetuate. I’ve known some white people who overemphasize their opinion of Bird just to make a point. Just like I know some rappers who over-emphasize their opinion of Hitler just to make a similar point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strat packaged this argument as “LeBron is over-rated and isn’t one of the best players ever” just to be “contrarian”,  but really all he’s saying is that Bird was better and LeBron is still, basically, the 4th best player all-time. It’s a silly discussion to perpetuate. I’ve known some white people who overemphasize their opinion of Bird just to make a point. Just like I know some rappers who over-emphasize their opinion of Hitler just to make a similar point.</p>
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		By: E, all merc'd out		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E, all merc'd out]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 15:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s pointless debating with people that never saw the skills of the players in question and that don’t want to look too far beyond the boxscore stats.&quot;

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I&#039;m a multigeneration association fan, too.  It&#039;s too much to ask the current first generation fans -- data-driven, internet savvy -- to trust the eye test.

What it isn&#039;t too much to ask is that the data be adjusted for secular changes in the way the sport is played.  You&#039;ve quite rightly noted one -- the efficiency revolution.  You&#039;ve also quite rightly noted the direct corollary of the efficiency revolution -- that if data can lead to a secular, fundamental change in the way shots are distributed, it can lead to a secular, fundamental change in the way job duties and responsibilities are distributed.  

In fact, as strat has also noted, it *did* lead to this latter change.  Stars in the current era are clearly given more responsibility (proxied essentially accurately by usage) than stars of the past.  A modernist might say, &quot;Well, sure, but that just shows that the stars today are better and therefore better able to handle the enhanced responsibility.&quot;

At that point, no set of data can measure the accuracy of that claim.  But if it leads to some kind of conclusion along the lines of something like that Russell Westbrook is better than Larry Bird well, then, just no.   He isn&#039;t.

Other important secular changes:

1.  Players that hit the floor are shorter.  There was no such thing as a smallball lineup BITD.  That makes it easier for shorter guys to get rebounds.

2.  The lane is far more open.  That makes it easier for shorter guys to get more rebounds.

3.  Obviously, the propensity to take three-pointers.  That makes it very tough to do cross-era comparisons.  My rough rule of thumb is that if Brook Lopez could teach himself to shoot and make three-pointers years into his association career, the vast majority of star wings of yesteryear could have done the same.

I&#039;m sure there are more such changes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s pointless debating with people that never saw the skills of the players in question and that don’t want to look too far beyond the boxscore stats.&#8221;</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m a multigeneration association fan, too.  It&#8217;s too much to ask the current first generation fans &#8212; data-driven, internet savvy &#8212; to trust the eye test.</p>
<p>What it isn&#8217;t too much to ask is that the data be adjusted for secular changes in the way the sport is played.  You&#8217;ve quite rightly noted one &#8212; the efficiency revolution.  You&#8217;ve also quite rightly noted the direct corollary of the efficiency revolution &#8212; that if data can lead to a secular, fundamental change in the way shots are distributed, it can lead to a secular, fundamental change in the way job duties and responsibilities are distributed.  </p>
<p>In fact, as strat has also noted, it *did* lead to this latter change.  Stars in the current era are clearly given more responsibility (proxied essentially accurately by usage) than stars of the past.  A modernist might say, &#8220;Well, sure, but that just shows that the stars today are better and therefore better able to handle the enhanced responsibility.&#8221;</p>
<p>At that point, no set of data can measure the accuracy of that claim.  But if it leads to some kind of conclusion along the lines of something like that Russell Westbrook is better than Larry Bird well, then, just no.   He isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Other important secular changes:</p>
<p>1.  Players that hit the floor are shorter.  There was no such thing as a smallball lineup BITD.  That makes it easier for shorter guys to get rebounds.</p>
<p>2.  The lane is far more open.  That makes it easier for shorter guys to get more rebounds.</p>
<p>3.  Obviously, the propensity to take three-pointers.  That makes it very tough to do cross-era comparisons.  My rough rule of thumb is that if Brook Lopez could teach himself to shoot and make three-pointers years into his association career, the vast majority of star wings of yesteryear could have done the same.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are more such changes.</p>
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		By: d-mar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They’re dominating possession but are terrible in the final third. We have no creators on offense it’s always been that way]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They’re dominating possession but are terrible in the final third. We have no creators on offense it’s always been that way</p>
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		By: Z--man		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 15:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[USA looks overmatched]]></description>
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		By: Z--man		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 3-pt shot has changed the game so dramatically that it is really impossible to compare across eras. But the all-time greats surely would have adapted if they were physically capable, which guys like Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Oscar, West, Baylor....these guys were all savants. And the great players from today would have been equally great back then, yet you would have to imagine their games being built on what they had to work with, and the medical science and training methods being what they were.

Basketball is still a game played largely between the ears. In a big game with monster pressure, I&#039;d pick Jordan over anyone, and Bird would be higher on my list than LeBron.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3-pt shot has changed the game so dramatically that it is really impossible to compare across eras. But the all-time greats surely would have adapted if they were physically capable, which guys like Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Oscar, West, Baylor&#8230;.these guys were all savants. And the great players from today would have been equally great back then, yet you would have to imagine their games being built on what they had to work with, and the medical science and training methods being what they were.</p>
<p>Basketball is still a game played largely between the ears. In a big game with monster pressure, I&#8217;d pick Jordan over anyone, and Bird would be higher on my list than LeBron.</p>
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