Comments on: What Trade Made/Makes More Sense? The Melo Deal or the Rumored Mitchell Trade?

By: swiftandabundant

swiftandabundant — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 12:35:38 +0000

I will say I think we do romanticize the stat led pre Melo team in 2010 a bit. Stat was incredible, they all seemed to enjoy playing together and the young players especially gallo and Wilson had some great games. But they were sliding right before the Melo trade and of course stat still would have fallen apart regardless of the Melo trade. So while I always will feel like we gave up too much to get him, I have to remind myself that if we had done nothing, I am not sure how much that team really had left in them.

So I think our situation now pre Mitchell trade is actually way better than it was pre Melo trade. Not just having so many picks but the team itself. Our season last year was disappointing but I don’t think we were really nice worse than that stat led team and that’s without Brunson, who is way better than Felton and won’t be traded for Mitchell.

By: cybersoze

cybersoze — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 11:19:24 +0000

Hey Frank, so if it was Orlando it’d be Wagner and Banchero to “balance” Vanderbilt and Bolmaro (who??) ? LOL

By: Frank

Frank — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 11:03:08 +0000

I’m not totally sure what Hahn meant in that tweet that was referenced above

The player swap in the Gobert deal was NOT minimal — it just didn’t include the 3 best players on the Wolves (KAT, Anthony Edwards, and Jaden McDaniels). I am sure Ainge had no interest in D’Angelo Russell, but he basically got 3 very useful vets — Beasley + Vanderbilt + Beverley — and the last 2 first round picks the Wolves had — Kessler + Bolmaro. IN addition Ainge got 3 totally unprotected 1sts and a top 4 protected 1st + and unprotected pick swap. I sure hope that that is not the model.

the analogous trade for us =

3 rotation players –> Rose, Fournier, and Obi
Last 2 1st round picks –> Grimes + Quickley
plus 4 picks and a swap?
no thank you

Minnesota basically was allowed to keep 1 young player and barfed up every other asset to Ainge. No. Thanks.

By: Donnie Walsh

Donnie Walsh — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 06:31:29 +0000

Hey Brian, for tomorrow’s thread can you do a “let’s expand the what makes less sense discussion” and add a third option to the poll?

Which makes the least sense:

1) the Melo Trade
2) the proposed Mitchell trade
3) Jordan Peele’s “Nope”

By: TheOakmanCometh

TheOakmanCometh — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 05:26:35 +0000

I hadn’t heard about Royce White running for Congress. Weird choice by Bannon.

I just read through his entire campaign website and still can’t explain any of his positions, except maybe globalism = bad, though it’s not clear why he feels this way.

By: Z-man

Z-man — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 04:03:09 +0000

My most vivid recollection of DWill was when he derailed the Linsanity Express.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ehOPk38D0

The highlight of that evening was attending a KB get-together and meeting Mike K and Bob Silverman.

By: Owen

Owen — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 03:32:50 +0000

The way Deron Williams fell off the map was pretty impressive. I remember gong to a game when he and Boozer were In their primes and they dominated.

By: DRed

DRed — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 01:40:13 +0000

Royce White briefly tried MMA and is currently Steve Bannon’s choice to unseat Ilhan Omar. Certainly an interesting journey

By: Z-man

Z-man — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 00:23:21 +0000

Brian, thanks for creating the thread, I’m honored! It’s really a tough question for me. The Melo deal probably made more sense in context of the MO of that regime. The thing is, you can’t really make a fair comparison until the Mitchell deal is executed because it’s so close that it really comes down to the price. If Aller overpays, the Melo deal made more sense because he’s the better player (imho) and the team already invested a max contract in Amar’e. But I have more confidence in this current FO to not overpay because the circumstances aren’t as urgent.

BTW, I 100% agree that Melo would have signed with the Nets and then we would have signed Deron to a similar deal, which also wouldn’t have turned out well. Once we amnestied Billups instead of Amar’e (and I don’t hate that they did that given that it would have been a real FU to STAT) it was bound to turn out much as it did.

In other words, if Aller can get it down to two of ours and two protected plus only one of Obi, IQ or Grimes, it would definitely make more sense. Throw in another pick or another player and it’s a wash. Thriw in a pick and a player and Melo made more sense. That’s sort of where I am.

One thing that hasn’t been brought up is that in both cases we had a rigid, stubborn coach who wasn’t suited to the personnel or situation.

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 00:02:30 +0000

In reply to KevinR.

Yeah I’ve been optimistic to some extent about most of the Knicks moves so far but Keels just doenst look the part. He was the youngest player in the draft but you should still be able to show something in Summer league.

Yep, one of the only things that matters about Summer League is seeing whether players look like they belong.