And fwiw, I was trying for a double meaning there. The Bills just had a better season than the Knicks have had in my adult life. If you are going to lose that’s the way to do it, looking like the second best team in the NFL

iserp: So, let me get this straight. The Warriors, after their first playoff appearance in some time, with a .57 winning percentage, riding David Lee (older than Randle), Curry (older than RJ) and Klay Thompson / Draymond Green (Same age as Mitch Robinson / Obi Toppin) and a few other veterans like Jarret Jack, Carl Landry, Richard Jefferson and Bogut (same age as Burks, Bullock, Derrick Rose, and older than Noel), were in the exact time a win curvist would day the have to upgrade via FA. However, the Knicks, after their first playoff appearance in some time, with a .57 winning percentage were not. And GSW were an admittedly cherry-picked 14-13 at the end of december the next year where I guess they should have been thinking in blowing it up.

Obviously there’s a lot more than what I said, GSW did not give the next step until they solved their biggest problem, AKA Mark Jackson, which was holding the team back. The Knicks will not take the next step until they solve their biggest problem, PG play. And if the team ever considers blowing it up, they should not sell low on 27 year old Julius Randle, but sell their player with the highest differential between trade value and basketball value, which is RJ Barrett.

Warriors built around a soon-to-be all-time great picked in the middle of the lottery who was on a modest salary. The Bucks built around a guy they drafted at #15 and a second rounder. The Raps made some clever moves with high picks but wound up with a championship roster built around one guy drafted in the teens and a bunch drafted in the 20’s or later. The Heat rebuilt after the Big 3 by acquiring guys like Bam, Herro, Duncan R, and paying Jimmy Butler the max. There’s lots of ways to go about getting sustainably good, some luck may be involved but it’s certainly possible. That wasn’t the case for the last 20 years.

thenoblefacehumper: Maybe the worst caricature of win curve oriented thinking I’ve ever heard. The Warriors signed Iggy after winning 47 games, making the 2nd round of the playoffs, and giving the eventual conference champion Spurs 6 games all with a young, productive core.

It was the exact time a win curvist would say they should be looking to upgrade via free agency.

So, let me get this straight. The Warriors, after their first playoff appearance in some time, with a .57 winning percentage, riding David Lee (older than Randle), Curry (older than RJ) and Klay Thompson / Draymond Green (Same age as Mitch Robinson / Obi Toppin) and a few other veterans like Jarret Jack, Carl Landry, Richard Jefferson and Bogut (same age as Burks, Bullock, Derrick Rose, and older than Noel), were in the exact time a win curvist would day the have to upgrade via FA. However, the Knicks, after their first playoff appearance in some time, with a .57 winning percentage were not. And GSW were an admittedly cherry-picked 14-13 at the end of december the next year where I guess they should have been thinking in blowing it up.

Obviously there’s a lot more than what I said, GSW did not give the next step until they solved their biggest problem, AKA Mark Jackson, which was holding the team back. The Knicks will not take the next step until they solve their biggest problem, PG play. And if the team ever considers blowing it up, they should not sell low on 27 year old Julius Randle, but sell their player with the highest differential between trade value and basketball value, which is RJ Barrett.

I think Rose is convinced that having a reasonably competitive team is essential for landing top-level free agents

I think it’s also keeping attractive contracts handy if a good trade opens up. That’s the main reason I’m fine sitting pat – people seem to take that as thinking things are great as they are, but it’s really just being realistic about what we’d get for players straight up vs how they can be used in a trade. Would Burks get us more than a late first/early second? No. Then trading him doesn’t make sense to me when his contract is far more valuable in a trade. We need salary to make almost anything interesting work.

thenoblefacehumper: and all of 6 games separated the 1st seed from the 8th seed that year.

This whole thread is incredibly dumb. But I do want to point out that we’re currently 7 games out of first place. Unless 6 is some magical number, this argument isn’t what you think it is.

Owen:
Well, we aren’t Bills fans

Fuck you, Owen.

And fuck Patrick Mahomes.

Who I will be rooting for during the rest of the playoffs, which makes me even more angry.

😉

JK47:
We suck the vast majority of the time. I would take “not sucking” over “sucking” and be quite happy with that.

I don’t have a “championship or bust” mentality, I have a “hey let’s not suck for a while” mentality.

We’ve had two good seasons in the last 20 years. It’s not like I’m a spoiled fan. This is like an epic journey in the fucking desert with an occasional sip of water.

I take you at your word on this, and I feel the same way. Where we differ is on whether we are currently getting a sip of water on the way to more desert-wandering or if we are moving into a more temperate climate.