Comments on: NY Post: Win-now Knicks monitoring Bradley Beal, Victor Oladipo

By: Mike Honcho

Mike Honcho — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:26:40 +0000

How would we feel about, say, Noel Toppin one of the picks not from this year? ATL could probably use a competent backup for Capela, and I’m not sure what else we have that’d they want unless they like Burks or Bullock. We’d have to take back something other than Collins for Noel, which could be Rondo maybe. He hasn’t played well and there’s another year left on his contract. Heck, maybe they take Elfrid in the package as a way to upgrade their backup pg spot. Atlanta certainly has the shooting to make use of him properly, at least.

By: Ben R

Ben R — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:21:55 +0000

The thing with Collins is I think he is better than Randle, younger, and his max contract will be less than Randle’s.

I think unless we find an upgrade at the 4 we are going to give Randle a huge next contract and I would rather not do that. Getting Collins even if it costs a couple resources is worth it because it saves us from signing Randle to a $150 million dollar contract.

Collins isn’t a great defender but I don’t think he’s any worse than Randle and we have a good defense so I don’t think that should be a deal breaker.

By: E, all merc'd out

E, all merc'd out — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:50:00 +0000

Yeah, just make ATL match a max offer sheet. 80/20 they won’t. Give them a face-saving asset to do a sign-and-trade if necessary. Then sell Randle high and if it takes one or two of the extra 1s and it’s the right guy, jump on it. That’s the play. Don’t expect it to happen, we can never have nice things, but that’s the play.

By: Early Bird

Early Bird — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:49:30 +0000

Historically, Deni has not been a good shooter. Given that his ft% is Nate Silver’s favorite number, .538, I’d wager his 3p% will crater. I don’t get the love for him. He passes and rebounds well but doesn’t look like much of a scorer and I don’t recall scouting reports falling in love with his defense.

By: Early Bird

Early Bird — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:41:48 +0000

Collins is a RFA this summer, so we can also just make him a big offer. ATL may not even match a reasonable offer since they declined to extend him and signed Gallo for the foreseeable future.

Is Collins’ defense any worse than Obi?

By: Alan

Alan — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:31:17 +0000

Collins is interesting. Still super young and his box score stats say budding superstar, but he’s not a good defender and the fact that his current team seems to want no part of his next contract even though he seems like a totally fine fit on their team is eyebrow raising.

Yeah, calls to authority aren’t always reliable, especially since the Hawks do not always make the smartest decision (like trading away Luka). But it’s not just that the Hawks don’t want to pay him, but why they don’t want to pay him, which is the same reason I didn’t really want to draft Obi (whose best case scenario seems to be Collins): the ceiling of your team is only so high if you start a big man who can’t defend.

By: thenamestsam

thenamestsam — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:18:51 +0000

Collins is interesting. Still super young and his box score stats say budding superstar, but he’s not a good defender and the fact that his current team seems to want no part of his next contract even though he seems like a totally fine fit on their team is eyebrow raising. I don’t have any sense of what his value is going to be around the league, but he’s in the category of 2nd tier guys I was talking about earlier where the price might not be exorbitant and you’re not going to be bidding against every good team in the league but he could still conceivably turn into the star we’re looking for. I get the feeling our front office is very high on Randle though so I don’t think there’s a fit there.

By: ptmilo

ptmilo — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:16:53 +0000

all the plugged in atlanta writers have repeatedly said the hawks aren’t trading collins unless they get significant win now compensation back in the deal.

By: Hubert

Hubert — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:43:54 +0000

Imagine having RJ, Quickley, Collins, Mitch, plus two lottery picks, plus Randle to sell high. That would be the best shape we’ve been in this century.

Then again, Rose and Thibs would probably rather have a Derrick Rose / Victor Oladipo backcourt, let all the shine fall off of Obi, and give up some 1st round picks bc we need the roster spots for some mediocre vets, you know?

By: d-mar

d-mar — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:42:06 +0000

Atlanta GM to Scott Perry: “we’ll listen to reasonable offers for John Collins. Whaddaya got?”

Scott Perry: “Obi Toppin?”

Atlanta GM: “click”