2021-22 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Suns

The Knicks host the defending Western Conference champion Phoenix Suns at the Garden tonight.

Derrick Rose is out again tonight, but Mitch Robinson is back from concussion protocol so the Knicks will have their two-headed center monster tonight, which is very nice. I love the two-headed center monster so much.

The Suns are obviously a tough test for the Knicks, but it’s not like the Suns are unbeatable. I think the Knicks can win this one.

HOW IS 56 WINS LOOKING? If they could pull off a surprise win tonight, it’d look a lot better!

Are the Phoenix Suns the most cursed NBA franchise?

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113 thoughts to “2021-22 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Suns”

  1. I’m irrationally positive about tonight’s game,
    maybe it’s the Rangers’ win in Boston talking…

    Let’s Go Knicks!

  2. Voted some other team. We have Dolan, isn’t that an automatic win in the cursed department? :D

  3. cybersoze:
    Voted some other team. We have Dolan, isn’t that an automatic win in the cursed department? :D

    Exactly! As long as Dolan is owner this team will never win a championship. He’s the curse. But in the meantime…BingBongBaby!!!!

  4. Yeah. The Knicks needed to be an option in that poll :)

    I am NOT optimistic about tonight’s game. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

  5. Hey BingBongHits, have you noticed that the speaker of MSG says “bing bong” sometimes during the game? Usually it’s after some amazing play… the Obi time! ;)

  6. Ciippers maybe but not the Suns. For my money, I’d pick Portland (lost Bill Walton, Greg Oden, and Brandon Roy to career ending injuries); Orlando (Shaq and Dwight forced their way out, Penny and Grant Hill were both decimated by injuries); Charlotte or Sacramento (just brutally terrible teams) as most cursed.

  7. cybersoze:
    Hey BingBongHits, have you noticed that the speaker of MSG says “bing bong” sometimes during the game? Usually it’s after some amazing play… the Obi time! ;)

    Just heard it now after that Mitch put back!

  8. Bad turnovers but as a whole a good start,
    Mitch’s going toe to toe with Ayton and the newcomers are hot.

  9. Max:
    Barrett’s shot get a nomination for dumbest of the year…

    I dunno. I can’t blame him for taking that. Wide open, whole team was trailing him, shooter’s gotta shoot, and if he hit it and got going the crowd would explode.

  10. Would’ve be nice if the Knicks somehow found a way to acquire Chris Paul over the past decade…

  11. shooter’s gotta shoot, and if he hit it and got going the crowd would explode.

    He’s not a shooter and so open that he barely hit the backboard.

  12. It’s such a pleasure/pain to watch the way the Suns move the ball. We can only dream of seeing that from the Knicks some day.

  13. vincoug: Based on how he’s played this season I have an issue with referring to RJ as a shooter.

    Guy is career 42% career FG% (44% last year) and he’s not a shooter? Then trade him next month. Hell, even Steph Curry is only 46% right now. Guy is in a slump. Needs to get going, get his confidence back. Not gonna happen if he doesn’t take a wide open shot.

  14. Guy is career 42% career FG% (44% last year) and he’s not a shooter?

    What? NO!

    P.S. Curry takes 13 three pointers a game, he’s allowed to shoot “only” 46%….

  15. BingBongHits: Guy is career 42% career FG% (44% last year) and he’s not a shooter? Then trade him next month. Hell, even Steph Curry is only 46% right now. Guy is in a slump. Needs to get going, get his confidence back. Not gonna happen if he doesn’t take a wide open shot.

    OMG, who the hell uses FG% to prove someone’s a shooter? Mitchell Robinson’s FG% is 81% this season, he must be the best shooter in the NBA.

  16. Max: Looks like my irrational optimism was… irrational.

    Stay positive, we’re just luring them to think this will be an easy win ;)

  17. Knicks are not used to seeing 5 guys that can all move laterally on defense… switch and recover whenever they want or need … we aren’t matching their intensity or skill level at the moment …

  18. We got ‘em right where we want ‘em. And RJ is gonna find his stroke in the second half.

  19. KevinR:
    Just a plain better team

    You mean that a plodding, iso ball offense can’t compete with ball movement and passing? Who knew?

  20. Breen is right, Book looked like he was stepping the line. Don’t the referees look at it and take the point back?

  21. cybersoze:
    Breen is right, Book looked like he was stepping the line. Don’t the referees look at it and take the point back?

    They did.

  22. The Suns are too good.
    They ride a 14-game winning streak,
    were in the Finals last year and are a strong contender this year, they ooze confidence.
    We’re not in their league barring a perfect game for us and we’ve been far from perfect…

    That said, I’d like to have a closer game…

  23. The crowd at MSG is annoyed that I’m sitting in for Clyde. My suit isn’t as flashy. And why the hell did I have to work this game instead of Hahn?

  24. Booker would look good in a Knicks uniform. Unfortunately it will probably be in his 30s with bum knees.

  25. Booker’s career high is 70. He’s got 29. At least we
    know it wont be him setting a career high at the Garden tonight.

  26. The gap between the best teams and us is HUGE!

    We’re probably going to have a losing record in half a week…

  27. “We’re probably going to have a losing record in half a week…”

    We aren’t good on either side of the court. At least year year the defense might be able to keep us in the game and then you could hope to grind it out or get lucky.

  28. The Suns are a very excellent team. They are exposing the Knicks who are showing that they cannot handle defensive pressure.

  29. No, we’re not. Stay positive.

    Blind faith aside do you think this team can win tomorrow in Atlanta or in Brooklyn (our next two games)?

  30. I liked the way we played, i think we’re getting there. Losing to the Suns leading to hot takes is quite amusing. There are probably another 14 lousy teams out there (hint: it’s their current winning streak).

  31. Max: Blind faith aside do you think this team can win tomorrow in Atlanta or in Brooklyn (our next two games)?

    In Atlanta? Yeah, i think we can.

  32. Pros:
    -Immanuel Quickley

    Cons:
    -Everything else, but specifically I am coming around to the idea that our defensive scheme is fundamentally broken and our success on that end last year was almost entirely due to anomalous opponent 3PT%. This, more than any personnel changes (Reggie Bullock is not a DPOY candidate), is the difference between our defense this year and last year.

    If you concede open threes and your opponent misses a lot of them, of course your defense will be pretty damn good. We’re not doing anything differently this year–our opponents are just hitting the open 3s we give them, which, yeah, is something NBA teams should anticipate.

  33. Knox coming in and promptly chucking a shitty floater made more angry than it should have

  34. I think that Grimes is going to be an excellent player over time. That shot is smoooooth.

  35. Running into a juggernaut like this makes you realize how far we have to go to and how futile this season will be.

  36. We aren’t just missing Bullock. It’s Bullock + Payton, but it’s worse than that. On defense, 1+ 1 is often = 3. That’s why it looks broken. It is. If we knew all the assignments and rotations and watched all the game film, we’d probably understand it all, but at a more basic level we have two negative defenders out there and that’s a problem unless you have some great defenders to cover for them. We have RJ and Randle (who are OK) and Mitch and Nerlens have been playing hurt.

  37. The Suns are really good but this was a non competitive game aside for the first quarter…
    Suns’s last single digit lead was 40-32 with 8:26 to go in the 2nd…

    Thanks to Monty: The Plague DNP-CD, classy move.

  38. vincoug: You liked the way we played? What did you like?

    I liked the defense, it’s just that they are amazing and executed better. On offense i think we were having good looks, but we weren’t draining them at the same clip. All this until mid 3rd quarter, then the game became lopsided but i liked the way we played until then. I think we’re getting better, but maybe that’s just me and my blind faith.

  39. cybersoze: I liked the defense, it’s just that they are amazing and executed better. On offense i think we were having good looks, but we weren’t draining them at the same clip. All this until mid 3rd quarter, then the game became lopsided but i liked the way we played until then. I think we’re getting better, but maybe that’s just me and my blind faith.

    Breen and I agree. Knicks are making progress, learning a little from each opponent (especially the good ones like PHX). It takes time to build chemistry and the second half of the season it will all come together, just like last year, with a strong run to the playoffs! Mark my words. If I’m wrong, I’ll eat Hahn’s tighty-whitey briefs.

  40. Max: Suns’s last single digit lead was 40-32 with 8:26 to go in the 2nd…

    72-61 with 5:52 left in the 3rd quarter is not too far from a single digit.

  41. 72-61 with 5:52 left in the 3rd quarter is not too far from a single digit.

    Yes you’re right, it was a roaring comeback.
    3 minutes later we were down by 22 after a Suns’ 11-0 run.
    We weren’t watching the same feed probably.

  42. If I eat crow on Andrew Wiggins, I’m going to retire from having basketball opinions

  43. three big positives from tonight’s game:
    1). quik’s consistency
    2). no one played more than 32 minutes
    3). i didn’t watch the game

  44. The one good thing for me about the slump is that maybe we could get “Bing bong” retired before the Knicks get good again and that when the Knicks get hot, people just celebrate it normally. I don’t even really have a problem with “bing bong” in a vacuum, but when everybody starts doing one guy’s shtick? It’s weird.

    As for the defense, it really looks so much like the defensive change from 2011-12 to 2012-13. Chandler was still Chandler in both of those seasons, but in 2011-12, the entre roster was supporting him on defense and the next year it was…not. Here, Mitch/Noel are still doing strong work in the middle, they’re just not getting support at all. The scheme around them defensively is awful.

  45. KevinR:
    @Barlowe500
    Knicks got one in Rokas Jokubaitis…He’s carving up his former club tonight… Barcelona hasn’t missed a beat with Calathes out. Really impressive for a kid that just turned 21 to be quarterbacking arguably the best team in Europe…

    https://twitter.com/EDemirNBA/status/1464380587112869895

    Good news, Zalgiris is dead last (and they cut Mudiay three weeks ago) but Rokas is showing impressive progress.
    He’s growing so fast that at the end of the season my 2022-2023 NBA prediction can end up being very conservative.

    Tonight he finally took some threes (3-3) and I’m going to repeat myself, the kid can really pass (7 AST).

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