Comments on: NY Daily News: Coach Tom Thibodeau hoping new format gives Knicks a shot at playoffs

By: cybersoze

cybersoze — Sat, 12 Dec 2020 01:55:03 +0000

Starting to watch now, how’s the team playing?

By: vincoug

vincoug — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:49:40 +0000

Alan:
And your first starting lineup, per Berman:

PG: Payton
SG: Burks
SF: Barrett
PF: Randle
C: Noel

Gentlemen, start your anger!

Wow. At least Barrett isn’t playing SG anymore.

By: GoNYGoNYGo - Tanking forever

GoNYGoNYGo - Tanking forever — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:45:12 +0000

This lineup would have fallen into the “highly likely” column. Mitch sitting, Elfrid to organize.
I would say, right now, that this lineup is my favorite for opening night.

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:42:19 +0000

In reply to Alan.

http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-vs-pistons-1st-2020-21-preseason-game-thread/

Game thread.

By: Alan

Alan — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:37:57 +0000

And your first starting lineup, per Berman:

PG: Payton
SG: Burks
SF: Barrett
PF: Randle
C: Noel

Gentlemen, start your anger!

By: thenamestsam

thenamestsam — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:20:58 +0000

Early Bird: We’re not looking at NCAA steals and blocks to predict NBA steals and blocks. We’re looking at NCAA steals and blocks because they predict overall outcome. It’s not entirely clear what drives this outcome, but there’s reason to believe they do a good job of approximating athleticism that’s prerequisite to thrive in the NBA.
No one on this board is trying to predict NBA steals and blocks.

True but if you’re evaluating overall outcome based on box score metrics and those box score metrics have steals and blocks as an important input on the defensive side of the ball then there is definitely some feedback looping there. How relevant is it, I honestly don’t know, but it’s not an unreasonable question to ask.

By: djphan

djphan — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:18:31 +0000

But if you’re judging pro defense based mostly on blocks and steals all you’re really saying is that guys who get blocks and steals in college tend to get blocks and steals in the pros. Do blocks and steals in college correlate with the kind of ppp against stat I mentioned above?

i’m not sure if it correlates to ppp… but it does correlate to overall value… the below is just one piece of work on the subject:

https://medium.com/unpluggd-mag/the-relationship-between-steal-rates-and-nba-success-fbc8d668e9fa

at the nba level:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-hidden-value-of-the-nba-steal/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/steals-are-predictive-but-are-they-that-important/

By: Knew Your Nicks

Knew Your Nicks — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:17:42 +0000

Remember writing here a few months ago about a University Study on “Defense wins Championships”where it was proved statistically that steals/blocks are not so critical on a good team D.
Was trying to prove that Frank’s D was Top even w/o box score back up.
I remember…

By: Early Bird

Early Bird — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:14:43 +0000

E: The thing with steals and blocks is that the existence of the data has made it that the data points are given much too much credence, simply because the data exists. That’s a premise/analysis fail.

It’s given the credence we give it because there have been studies showing that steals and blocks predict NBA outcomes. This has nothing to do with treating steals and blocks as indicators of good defense. Generally, they’re considered as a signal of superior athleticism among college peers.

There is no such study showing that good synergy numbers correlates with NBA success.

Combined with the Quickley’s inability to get to the rim, his poor steal numbers are a giant red flag that says he isn’t an NBA player.

By: Early Bird

Early Bird — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:08:14 +0000

nicos: But if you’re judging pro defense based mostly on blocks and steals all you’re really saying is that guys who get blocks and steals in college tend to get blocks and steals in the pros. Do blocks and steals in college correlate with the kind of ppp against stat I mentioned above?

We’re not looking at NCAA steals and blocks to predict NBA steals and blocks. We’re looking at NCAA steals and blocks because they predict overall outcome. It’s not entirely clear what drives this outcome, but there’s reason to believe they do a good job of approximating athleticism that’s prerequisite to thrive in the NBA.

No one on this board is trying to predict NBA steals and blocks.