Comments on: 2019-20 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Nets

By: Bo Nateman

Bo Nateman — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:25:33 +0000

I recall Kobe sitting courtside, IIRC on Xmas day with Gianna and the utter joy on both of their faces, as well as the proud look on Kobe’s face when he was coaching her in a game. Neither of them will ever have those blissful moments again and as a parent, I can connect these types of moments with Kobe, who I otherwise have little in common with. A profound sadness washed over me each time I viewed these videos.
We are all human with differing degrees of foibles, and I agree with waiting until the grief subsides until we reflect on Kobe’s legacy.
The outpouring of genuine deep grief from so many disparate sources reveals that Kobe impacted a multitude of lives in positive ways and for now that is how I will think about him.

By: Frank O.

Frank O. — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:29:56 +0000

I thought A lot about Kobe’s complex history.
My sister, who knows very little of his basketball talent, said she cried. I chose not to fill in his bio. I just left it alone.

I think when someone dies, it becomes about the family, who simply grieve. In this case there was a 13-year-old child also lost who had barely begun a life of promise. And there is a family and other children who lost a husband/father/son, etc. They harmed no one.
While I’m quite certain my words would never reach that family (who am I?) I think what I choose to say and not say is more about me.
Still, I think people can say what they wish.

By: GoNYGoNYGo - Dolan must sell

GoNYGoNYGo - Dolan must sell — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:15:55 +0000

I do not believe that a discussion about Kobe’s alleged rape is appropriate at this time. My arguments would be considered distasteful and I vehemently disagree with CDiggy. Then again, my religion has a very different take on forgiveness.

By: The Infamous Cdiggy

The Infamous Cdiggy — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:28:18 +0000

@45 that’s a good question you raise.
Perhaps the ultimate answer is between the victim, the accused, the law and God. I won’t appeal to the authority of the law because we know it’s not fair for all, although it’s not nothing that the law found not to purse Kobe criminally. Take that for whatever it’s worth to you.

Perhaps it’s naive to ask this, but do we know if that woman went on to forgive him at some point? Has she been able to heal from the incident? Generally speaking from a spiritual (Christian) standpoint, any sin can be atoned for. I believe that atonement and forgiveness isn’t meant to erase bad or heinous acts, but to allow for healing and correction of bad decisions and behavior. I mean, we live in a society where victims of a slain loved one have found it within themselves to forgive the assailant. Maybe we haven’t gotten to the point where society can forgive rapists because we’ve only recently heightened our national awareness and there’s been too many cases that have gone unreported. That’s fair. But I believe everyone should be allowed atonement in some form.

As my grandmother has told me several times, there’s a time and place for everything. As Bruno and Jowles stated, there will be a time to address Kobe’s lows as well as his highs. Today just isn’t that time. Not yet.

By: geo

geo — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:49:24 +0000

interesting discussion…how is all the good and evil performed during a lifetime examined and accounted for…can there ever be balance between those two…or, is it simply one or the other…

imagine if it was possible for us to all share our very worst moment(s) with the world…how would we each view one another then…

I’m a pretty strong believer that at some point we all must answer for our deeds…that though may just be a simple manifestation of my own beliefs and fears and not true at all…

is there such a thing as redemption and forgiveness…if so, by whom, when…

the “cult of personality” is real…and, life doesn’t promise to be fair…

no doubt kobe touched a lot of people, and, at least one he should not have…is there any amount of good that makes up for some types of bad…

every once in a while I’ll wonder that very thing about dot…I know he’s done some community work back where he grew up, can he ever though make up for his previous actions and the harm he committed against another human being…

By: Ingmarrrr

Ingmarrrr — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:19:26 +0000

Of course it’s relevant, and should be talked about.

By: DRed

DRed — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 06:17:43 +0000

Ask the woman he raped when she was 19 and then used his wealth and fame to smear as a money hungry whore about his fucking legacy.

When asked by police how she knew Bryant had heard her, she replied, “Because every time I said no he tightened his hold around me.”

…

At one point, when police described the accuser as “attractive,” Bryant corrected them. “She wasn’t that attractive,” said Bryant. Then, when officers asked him about “finishing,” he replied, “I didn’t finish a fucking thing,” adding, “I jerked off when she left.”

The accident today was a tragedy for a lot of reasons but the way the media protects Kobe’s legacy is disgusting.

By: Dough Chew

Dough Chew — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 06:06:37 +0000

Everyone grieves in their own way, so I’m fine with limiting the discussion for now out of respect for that.

By: The Infamous Cdiggy

The Infamous Cdiggy — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:44:56 +0000

@39 and 40 my feelings exactly.

And yes Z-man, it’s a small world indeed.

By: Bruno Almeida

Bruno Almeida — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:16:57 +0000

I think there’s something to be said about respecting a person’s legacy, and that legacy includes the highest and the lowest points. It’s fairly obvious that Kobe was a polarizing figure, but even people like me, who were disgusted by the way the media and the fans seemed to forget rather quickly about the rape, can recognize the tragedy behind this accident.

I think it’s in bad taste to keep talking about his lows right after his death, and I think that’s what most people like Z-Man are complaining about, the timing of it. I would wait until the emotions are less visceral to really go into his entire legacy, specially since the accident also involved his daughter and obviously his wife and other 3 kids are still alive and grieving.

In other words, I would rather discuss the tragedy of his death for now, while we can obviously discuss the legacy of his life in more appropriate circumstances, to put it into the terms jowles used. It’s not rape apologism to simply hold off on bringing the episode right after the guy’s death, especially considering we’re not talking about a guy like Weinstein, where the sexual abuse was a repeated constant throughout his life; as far as anyone knows, with Kobe, it was a single event that obviously should never be forgotten or glossed upon, and is a part of his life story, but has nothing really to do with his death.