2020-21 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Future Knick Lonzo Ball’s Team

The Knicks host the Pellies for a sort of off-brand home and home game.

The Knicks handled the Pelicans pretty well last time, so I’m confident that the Knicks can keep this streak moving to six!

Let’s go pick six, Knicks!

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288 thoughts to “2020-21 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Future Knick Lonzo Ball’s Team”

  1. Usually our coaching staff is good with adjustments (as with Dallas).

    Forget about the last game in NO,
    avoid complacency, keep your focus, don’t take anything for granted.
    The game starts 0-0 and Burks, who was so important there, is out while they have Lonzo back.

    It’s another exam in our road to competence.

    Let’s go Knicks!!!

  2. Alan:
    Can the Randle Revenge Tour overcome the Lonzo Auditions For Leon Rose factor?

    Haha. I think Randle hopes to shut down Zion. He seemed to have that same intention against Luka.

  3. Obi in early!

    Looks like Thibs is tracking Zion with Randle, as he did with Luka last game…

  4. randle running the pnr is infinitely better than these iso’s with these step back fadeaways…

  5. Raven:
    Obi in early!

    Looks like Thibs is tracking Zion with Randle, as he did with Luka last game…

    yup. you beat me to it.

  6. Obi had a nice defensive sequence and rebound while he was out there. But he really shouldn’t take another three until next year.

  7. I would really not want Tommy T as my next-door neighbor. Not without a big hedge between us…

  8. If Noel is out for extended time, it will be a real challenge. Pelle is an energizer, but extremely foul prone.

  9. Raven:
    I would really not want Tommy T as my next-door neighbor. Not without a big hedge between us…

    Knicks keep a defibrillator under the bench this year.

  10. There is no time line for Mitch to return. He would need time to get back into shape once he is cleared. I would be surprised if it was this year.

  11. Sloppy first…
    Adams killed us so far…
    Casual observation: for a defense so good we get burned quite often on inbounds under our basket…

  12. Did I just see Knox giving Randle a hard time on that Zion flush? Pretty funny if true…

  13. Knew Your Nicks:
    Knox reminded me of Durant on his first shot!

    Totally, was just gonna say his shot always looks so pure. I just wish it went in more often ;-)

  14. Clyde has twice referenced Ball being 0-7 from 3 last time they played. Someone needs to correct him, Lonzo didn’t play

  15. Whatever Thibs said in the TO after the two straight Pelicans transition dunks, it got the Knicks to tighten on defense. 10-0 run. Nearly 3 minutes of shutout defense.

  16. “This is what happens when you hurt one of us,” said all of the Knicks collectively.

  17. The fact that we started so incredibly suckily for a really long stretch and are 10 up now is really pretty amazing. Defense kept us in the game. What a fun team.

  18. Watching Noel hang off the rim. I guess Noel’s hand is alright.

  19. What a stupid jump ball, Adams was with the arm on our side. What are this refs doing??

  20. Good second quarter,
    very good defense and the Randle Motivations Express got refueled,
    plus D-Rose with a very solid quarter.
    I’m so happy Taj’s with us…

  21. Is Zion destined to be a perennial all star? I’m sorry but I just don’t see it. No doubt he is going to be a multi times all star but he is not a generational level player if you ask me. I don’t think currently he is at 2nd year Charles Barkley level.

    What am I not seeing it correctly? What do you guys think?

  22. if drose gets his conditioning fully back…he should start…payton is meaningless most games…burks or quickly can do the back up gig…

  23. i was about to write what a bad fit bledsoe was for this team but then he scored six pts in 20 seconds so maybe i’ll save it for my memoirs

    edit: 8 pts

  24. Zion is almost uniquely skilled at one thing (around the rim). He sucks outside and on defense. He’s also in his second year, after a limited first year. If he “pulls a Randle” in terms of improving what he sucks at, he’ll be a generational talent. If not, he’ll continue to be a really fun watch and a regular all-star.

  25. zion isn’t barkley but he is a souped up version of blake griffin only if blake was like shaq down low…

    he’s going to wind up doing things a little different than barkley but ultimately he will be that kind of player and he’s about 85% of the way there already at age 20…

    so yes … he is a generational talent…

  26. Payton must be really unlucky right?
    Every time he’s in the Pelicans go on a rampage…
    13-2 to start the third…

  27. conboy: What am I not seeing it correctly? What do you guys think?

    I wouldn’t dismiss one of the greatest prospects of the last decade in just 1 season (he played half of his rookie season) :P

  28. SVG countered the Knicks defensive focus on Zion by having Zion set picks for Bledsoe. Bledsoe has erupted because he is getting wide open shots.

  29. cybersoze: I wouldn’t dismiss one of the greatest prospects of the last decade in just 1 season (he played half of his rookie season) :P

    75 games so far. Almost one full season…

  30. From watching The Last Dance, one thing I learned is that the work effort of your team’s alpha(s) can definitely can rub off on others. I don’t doubt that RJ and Randle will be anything other than gym rats this offseason; the question is can they bring/influence the likes of IQ and Obi along with them. We’re seeing that there’s a lot to be said for a team that works its ass off even w/limited talent; what makes me really excited is combining that with players that have a lot of room for improvement.

    And this improvement isn’t necessarily of the wishing well kind – it’s borne out of feasibility: a full NBA offseason for Obi and IQ, RJ taking the next jump (I’m sold he has at least one major jump in him), and Randle mirroring this season’s production… I know some are worried that he’s out-shooting his career 3-ball average, but there’s a difference btwn “oh if only this guy could shoot 35-37% from 3” vs “if this guy can continue to show that he can hit 37% from 3″.

  31. i mean zion is scoring 29 per 36 at 65% ts w 4 ast. he is already an elite offensive player. he is elite as advertised on that end and will only get better if healthy. he is getting shots at the rim 1.5x more than the number two guy in the nba. his defense on the other hand…

  32. I like how Randle got inside Zion and drove on him, but NOP collapsed on him in the paint.

  33. DRed: This is the only good quarter of basketball Eric Bledsoe has played all year

    That’s typical to visiting players on MSG :P

  34. 13 points halftime lead smoked (it was 15 in the second quarter),
    this is really an annoying habit…

  35. If you lined up all our third quarters, would we be the worst team in basketball?

  36. This quarter is almost single handedly ruining the good vibes from the 5 game winning streak.

  37. KB Apprentice:
    If you lined up all our third quarters, would we be the worst team in basketball?

    During the NO game, the Pelicans broadcast said the we were 30th in 3rd quarter scoring and 29th in fourth quarter scoring, I don’t know how that has changed with the last two games….
    so the answer is yes :-)

  38. Frank always (always) commits a “Here I am” foul in the first minute after he checks in.

  39. There was a time (or specific times) Teresa Weatherspoon was the best pro PG in NY when she was w/the Liberty…

  40. I bet TNT wishes they had bought some of these knicks games down the stretch…

    every game feels like a playoff game…

    sight unseen – it feels though like the refs have been letting us play more physical ball since around after the all-star break…

  41. Max: During the NO game, the Pelicans broadcast said the we were 30th in 3rd quarter scoring and 29th in fourth quarter scoring, I don’t know how that has changed with the last two games….
    so the answer is yes :-)

    haha. so … maybe switch out the gatorade?

  42. aarrgggh I wanted that 3 by Barrett to fall, but great effort by Taj to spoil the Pels 2-for-1 chance.

  43. As soon as I turned the game on Bledsoe scored 11 straight, so this must be my fault.

  44. How many times does RJ have to get knocked to the ground before it counts as a foul?

  45. Frustrating quarter,
    RJ is totally disrespected by the refs but we played really bad…

  46. Checking in from MSG. Not happy about the refs. Feels like RJ and Randle should have a few more FTs each.

    I understand he may have truly hit the rookie wall but I think Quickley is worth a shot in the 4th.

  47. The Infamous Cdiggy: There was a time (or specific times) Teresa Weatherspoon was the best pro PG in NY when she was w/the Liberty…

    That’s kind of easy… the Knicks don’t believe in the “find a PG” plan! :P

  48. Bruno Almeida:
    As soon as I turned the game on Bledsoe scored 11 straight, so this must be my fault.

    Same here lol. I keep learning that I should never start watching in the 3rd quarter, and I keep ignoring that lesson.

  49. It’s really weird to me how little respect RJ gets from the refs. It’s not like he’s constantly jawing at them, he seems relatively tight-lipped.

  50. Okay. We gotta focus. What usually happens (when we win) is DRose gets a few hoops and runs out of gas. RJ bullies a few layups and hits a corner three. Taj gets every board. And IQ hits a timely three. Now … go.

  51. imagine if frank and kevin had had thibs and this excellent coaching staff from the start – do these exact actions out on the court with great effort and you may go out on the court…and actually teaching them those things…

    loved the way kevin was addressing every defensive lapse…

    I think he gets it now, good length with a smooth shot, and is looks much more involved in the game…

    talent is king, but a good coaching staff has made a big difference…

  52. Woooooo that was LUCKY that Randle corralled that errant RJ pass and flushed it!

    Take the points however we get em…

  53. ptmilo:
    btw we are actually 17th in q3 net rating find a new slant

    Considering that we scored so few in the third quarters this is really a testament to our defense…

  54. IQ quietly had good defense against that fast break and then a clean outlet pass. He’s earned a few more minutes from coach.

  55. ptmilo: btw we are actually 17th in q3 net rating find a new slant

      

    Since you found this, what are we in the other three quarters?

  56. BigBlueAL:
    IQ with nice minutes to start the 4th quarter.

    Yes indeed. We need a guard threaten from 3 and keep the offense somewhat flowing well enough to carry the team to the finish line.

  57. Considering that we scored so few in the third quarters this is really a testament to our defense…

    no it isn’t announcers just don’t adjust for pace. our ortg is third quarters this year is 22nd and our overall ortg is 22nd.

  58. As good as Taj and Randle can rebound, I feel like Adams’ length and Zion’s quick jumping presents a problem for the Knicks gobbling D boards.

  59. Ingram’s been money from midrange since his final season as a Laker even with a hand up.

  60. Z-man:
    If we win this game, I’d give Taj the game ball…

    If the Pelicans win it should go to Bledsoe. He brought them back in the 3rd quarter basically by himself

  61. That’s like the 3rd or fourth time in this half I’ve seen Knicks push Pels on the inside.

  62. IQ should’ve shot that 3 the moment he turned the corner on that pick. He was plenty open.

  63. d-mar: If the Pelicans win it should go to Bledsoe. He brought them back in the 3rd quarter basically by himself

    STOP TALKING HIM UP!!!!!! lol

  64. Playing Payton and Rose at the same time is indistinguishable from committing seppuku

  65. No easy answers here personnel wise but I do not think we needed more Elfrid Payton

  66. Mike Honcho:
    Playing Payton and Rose at the same time is seppuku

    HAHAHAHAAA… any GinTama fans here? they were good for making timely seppuku jokes.

  67. I would think Mitch would have the springy-ness to fight Adams and Zion on the boards, but those two are good.

    OK NOW we need a stop!

  68. I wish IQ would’ve hit that layup, but I’m encouraged he got the to rack.

  69. Why didn’t they call timeout for a set play before that last IQ shot. None of that looked promising in transition.

  70. Been watching with sound off… seems like a lot of issues with refs… on both sides. Inconsistent…

  71. BIIIIIG 3-ball!!!!

    Mistake by Lonzo leaning twds Rose driving!!!

    Oh boy!!!

  72. Just seemed like instinct from Lonzo to flinch toward lane… SVG coulda said don’t leave ur man for shit … for all we know he did …

  73. Hats off to Rose, huge last two possessions! Bullock! This team still won’t give up

  74. Yeah, whatever curses I hurled at Rose his last time around, this guy is just totally different now. Maybe the stats don’t show, but he’s not sulking, he’s always giving effort, and (today) he really saved us down the stretch. Now let’s win.

  75. Those last two plays were all Derrick Rose. OK. I give Bullock a nod because he made the shot. Rose really is playing heads-up, veteran basketball.

  76. conboy:
    I don’t think I want Lonzo at $25M a year

    I was just going to write that the Lonzo audition hasn’t gone well. I’m not sure he’s the answer at point.

  77. I’m beginning to think maxing an offer to Lonzo Ball might not be the wisest decision.

  78. I gotta give Rose credit there, even if it might’ve had some luck involved: he had his eyes on Bullock in the corner as he was driving, saw Lonzo lean, and dished it.

  79. Of course it’s just one game, and i don’t watch the Pells, but Lonzo isn’t impressing me at all

  80. the amazing thing about that last 3 was they also left knox wide open in the other corner

  81. Clyde and Breen are not used to Knicks swinging the rock around.

  82. Randle says I’m just too tired to take a foul shot… I’ll let Bully take the lower % 3 ball …. and NAIL IT

  83. its strange how much better any unit we put out there is better as long as payton isn’t part of it…

  84. that 3rd quarter was dogshit but the end of the fourth and OT have been more than worth sitting through it

  85. These fouls are so annoying. 24 fouls called against the Knicks, 12 against the Pelicans.

  86. djphan:
    lonzo doing his best ntlikina impression… must really want to be a knick….

    rotflmao

    Look on the bright side. If you like him and think this one game is meaningless, maybe it will impact the offer and we won’t make a salary mistake in our bidding.

  87. awww nooo Reggie you can’t foul out on that one there.

    Doris is right… Defensive discipline.

  88. Deeefense: rotflmao

    Look on the bright side.If you like him and think this one game is meaningless, maybe it will impact the offer and we won’t make a salary mistake in our bidding.

    FWIW – Lonzo does not seem like a Thibs guy.

  89. OMG… you KNEW Frank was gonna pass vs take that shot, but maaaaannnn Julius fucking Randle!!!!

  90. I think Lonzo did not entered the court after his defensive mistake late in regular time.

  91. i am going to look forward to the day we no longer have to tolerate frank, knox and payton… next season….

  92. Sooooo we’re officially done with the Frank-stanning right? Like, he’s done here.

    I wanted to believe, if it makes anyone feel better.

  93. the opposite of an elam ending is when you slow down time and proportionately dilute the value of a point every second for the last minute

  94. Question: is Derrick Rose upset about being left on the court with 37 seconds left and a 10 point lead? (He must be insisting on coming out, right? Right??)

  95. d-mar:
    I love Clyde, but this is not a bittersweet victory because of Frank’s foul

    Clyde just wants to get to the Wine and Dine.

  96. We won this game,
    we lost this game,
    we won this game again.

    It was sloppy, it was ugly, it was intoxicating, it was so sweet…
    Rose, Bullock, Taj, Noel, Julius despite a bad shooting night, IQ under control, Barrett with some moments,
    This team is incredible…
    They never, never give up.
    Six in a row baby!

    P.S.: The Plague is unplayable in close games, luckily Thibs was quick to take him out…

  97. d-mar:
    I love Clyde, but this is not a bittersweet victory because of Frank’s foul

    Perhaps this was the moment he realized Frank is done here.

  98. This team. Ya gotta love this team. Best entertainment in NY!

  99. Hey Daniel Jones – I know you a southern dude, but the first cat you dap after the game should NOT be Zion. Just sayin’…

  100. Exhibit #107 of intolerable Laker fans:

    My wife’s gf is staying with us as she just moved back into town. She blurts out: “you live in LA you need to be rooting for the Lakers now”. I told her “don’t talk about my team!” and she was legit shook of ya boy!!!!

    Lady… you fam, but you don’t want this smoke.

  101. Unbelievable this team, to look as bad as they did for the first 21 mins of the 2nd half but then find a way to tie the game then dominate OT.

  102. As much as we are celebrating these wins, the loss of Burks is definitely going to catch up to us soon. We lack scoring punch. Rose is not going to play like this every night. Randle played 47 minutes tonight. Gibson’s hustle was ridiculous for a guy his age. We need someone deeper in the team to step up. Either Quick is going to have get on a roll again or maybe Knox or Obi will have to break out, but someone is going to have to step up on offense or a few losses in a row are coming. There’s only so much gas in the engine and we have to be close to empty the way these guys are playing.

  103. If the Pels have one more season like this one, they will be on the clock regarding Zion. They are underachieving mightily and have to be extra careful to not enter some AD 2.0 situation.

  104. Leonam:
    If the Pels have one more season like this one, they will be on the clock regarding Zion. They are underachieving mightily and have to be extra careful to not enter some AD 2.0 situation.

    They gave the wrong Van Gundy the job. The Pelicans play zero defense and they play like individuals. Stan is on the clock next year. He’s terrible.

  105. Z-man: swifty’s 39 win prediction is looking like utter clairvoyance…

    Indeed. Next time i play the lottery, i’m going to ask him for numbers. ;)
    My prediction sailed away in such a long time that it must be around Cape Town now. :D

  106. The front office has to feel really good about their own work with all these different guys contributing.

  107. Feels wrong to root for Brooklyn today, but here I is…

    Go Nets

  108. Without Burks, shouldn’t we do what Z-Man suggested and give Jeremy Lin a chance?

  109. Bullock’s defense has been key to these last two wins- inside both Luka’s and Ingram’s jerseys all game. If I have to choose between resigning him or Burks I’m taking Bullock.

  110. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats: Feels wrong to root for Brooklyn today, but here I is… Go Nets

    We won and the Pacers lost, so at least the 9th/10th game seems very unlikely. Now if we can defend the 6th position, that would be the cherry on top of the season.

  111. djphan:
    lonzo doing his best ntlikina impression… must really want to be a knick….

    I can’t see Lonzo being worth anything close to 20 million per.

  112. The Pels were literally one play away from wrapping this one up in regulation before that Bullock 3. They were making the plays that give you that “oh shit they’re taking control and pulling away” feeling. But our guys hung tough.

    And how fucking clutch was Rose today? I mean he almost had me forgiving him for his previous stint w/us just on his 4th Q and OT play alone.

  113. DudesTown: I can’t see Lonzo being worth anything close to 20 million per.

    He got that LA passiveness in his game (heh-heh). He can play, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who can really try to impress his will on a game. I think I’ll pass too.

  114. Thibs conference: He really goes out of his way to name-check everyone. It’s kind of great. As much as we shouted at Frank tonight, coach praises his work, same with Knox, and so on. I can see why guys feel loyal to him.

  115. The Infamous Cdiggy: He got that LA passiveness in his game (heh-heh). He can play, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who can really try to impress his will on a game. I think I’ll pass too.

    Yeah, that was my eye test comment today, too. Lonzo seems like the opposite of a Thibs guy.

  116. Ingram had 2 wide open 3’s to ice the game in regulation and missed both. He’s the goat for the Pels.

  117. After years of suffering, Knick fans finally have a team that they can root for, that they can count on playing hard, playing good defense every game from start to finish. I say this even if they had lost the game today.

    With 2 of their top 7 players out, they managed to pull this one out. What more can a fan ask for?

    Thanks Thibs!

  118. The Nerlens Block Party is raging these days…..he seems to have at least two sensational stonewall blocks right at the rim every game!

  119. You can’t judge a guy off a single game. That’s just silly.

    Sometimes you can’t even judge a guy off a bad season if his role was wrong and he couldn’t do what he was good at because of the spacing. :-)

    If you get Lonzo, you aren’t getting him to score 20 points a night. You aren’t worried about one dumb defensive play today. You aren’t even worried about what he’s showing this year as a playmaker. You are trying to decide whether has has the skills to run an offense and knock down outside shots at a high enough rate to mitigate the spacing issues we have and not allow players to back off him and go under picks. If he can do those things, he’s an upgrade over Payton and is still young enough to have upside in that and other areas of his game.

    IMO, it’s really difficult to watch the Pelicans now and figure out what he can do because he’s not really playing the traditional PG position like he did in LA and with the Pelicans before Stan Van Dummy took over the coaching job.

    I think you more or less have to look at his PG play under Gentry as indicative of what he can do as a PG and his shooting now as indicative of whether he may be making progress there. Still, even after all that you still have to value it well. My guess is that he would be a good upgrade over Payton, quicken our pace, get us more easy baskets in transition, and help the spacing. However, my guess is as good (or as bad) as anyone else’s at how much he’s worth. He’s certainly not a max player or even close.

  120. Deeefense: He’s certainly not a max player or even close.

    Yeah, I think that’s what people are saying. Not writing the guy off, but …

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