277 thoughts to “2020-2021 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Clippers”

  1. Nice start, good quarter… luck or not this team defend.

    I want to give merit when is due,
    Elf Plague today was only a mild flu, for now (finger crosse emoji)…

  2. I think now we played a lot of different teams to justify it with a simple “it’s a lot of luck”. We’re playing good, that’s what it is.

  3. one of the things that’s sucked about this season is not being able to go the garden… would’ve had some electric games….

  4. So we’ll have a Game of Floaters, between Immanuel from House Knicks and Lou from House Clips! :D

  5. Q: is Taj actually a better option than Knox? Not that Knox is a center, but … Is Taj?

  6. quickley’s is def more of a midrange shot… it’s much lower arc than williams who can shoot when he has legitimate pressure on him…. quickley is restricted to when he’s pretty wide open..

  7. Remember when we argued about whether trading Morris for a pick was a good idea?

    I get to take some Ws too….

    By the way, i love the term Hostage Dribble. Thanks for that DJPhan

  8. Realizing how spoiled we are to have both Mitch and Noel. I appreciate Taj, but it felt like the Clips were taking advantage of no rim protection until Mitch came back in.

  9. it’s much lower arc than williams who can shoot when he has legitimate pressure on him…. quickley is restricted to when he’s pretty wide open..

    agree but quick’s is a faster release and he shoots it with less deceleration so it’s easier for him to be wide open on the release. plus pretty soon all of lou’s floaters will be easily taken care of by lens crafters. Hope floats baby.

  10. Full bear hug. Feels like Nineties again.

    Although Mitch just got shoved in the back on the other end and they didn’t call it.

  11. “Remember when we argued about whether trading Morris for a pick was a good idea?”

    You can make the same argument for Randle this year.

  12. Way more RJ/Mitch PNR this game than usual and whaddya know good things occurring

  13. Considering the opposition, this may be the best half RJ has played this year. Rebounding and assists numbers are not there, but his defense has been great and the offense was spectacular.

  14. Great hustle by Mitch there. Went for the orb and missed, sprinted down court and helped on Kawhi to I think get a block

  15. Three stupid shots in a row, two by Elf. He should be fined for attempting a three.

    Against the Clips a few stupid shots is all it takes.

  16. It’s pretty disorienting that we hung with the Clippers for a half and it doesn’t feel like anything wildly unsustainable happened

  17. Yeah, team looked really good. I am impressed. And it didn’t feel like the first half against the Pacers in the opener.

  18. thenoblefacehumper:
    It’s pretty disorienting that we hung with the Clippers for a half and it doesn’t feel like anything wildly unsustainable happened

    True. They don’t look like overachieving scrubs.

  19. Only one turnover? Seems impossible.

    Mitch only has one block and no steals so apparently the scorer thought that was a foul too.

  20. It’s a nice feeling to have guys re-enter games and feel like ok shit getting real again … I’m speaking of RJ and Randle specifically…

  21. Good half,
    Randle, RJ and IQ shining again.

    So, looks like the Rose-Thibs crew has definitively punted on the previous regime’s missed picks.

    I’m sorry for Frank and Knox, they could be scrubs but could thank Fizdale for some of their misfortunes.

  22. If we are intent on trying to improve a bit this year it would make a lot more sense to get George hill than Derrick rose, assuming the cost would be very low

  23. ptmilo:
    If we are intent on trying to improve a bit this year it would make a lot more sense to get George hill than Derrick rose, assuming the cost would be very low

    That’s a very good idea, i would give Payton and a 2nd rounder for George Hill (but didn’t check his stats to know if he fell of a cliff yet or not).

  24. Outside of those three shots I mentioned — Elf three (still rinsing the inside of my mouth out on that one), Randle flailing and failing to get a foul, and an Elf drive that for anyone else would make sense but, Elf — there were hardly any ugh moments that whole half. Whatever the flow is, Knicks offense was definitely there.

  25. Gifting Payton and Bullock to any starting lineup in the NBA is suicidal,
    I really can’t believe we do this every fucking time.

  26. Yeah, Kawhi is as big as Randle somehow. Made that look so easy.

    Go Mitch!

    Didn’t realize George is 6’8.

  27. What a shot from RJ. Terrible shot but so impressive he got it to go in.

    No quit in these guys.

  28. Looking at the Clippers roster if there ever was a team of mercenaries holy shit. Wonder how much some people here would enjoy rooting for that team and how they were built.

  29. BigBlueAL:
    Looking at the Clippers roster if there ever was a team of mercenaries holy shit.Wonder how much some people here would enjoy rooting for that team and how they were built.

    I would hate that team… I really didn’t love the Knicks when they had Kidd and Wallace

  30. Win or not today, we are actually a pretty good basketball team. Randle is terrific. RJ is rapidly blossoming into a good player right before our eyes, Quickley is a menace off the bench. We have good interior defense for 48 minutes. If we could figure out how to add a player like Beal without giving up too much player value, we’d be damn good.

  31. Losing because of Patterson and Reggie Jackson is pretty frustrating if not embarrassing.

  32. Dumbass foul by Toppin to close the quarter…

    We’re playing at the top of our game but they’re too much.

    Despite that this team always compete, they’re easy to root for..

  33. I got the vax at the Javits Center this morning…what a set-up they have there, mostly national guard.

  34. What did Clyde say?

    Obi pushed off on a screen with both hands, Clyde: “You couldn’t do that even in the 50’s!”

  35. zubac is a very impressive big… and i’m pretty sure the clips were right to fire rivers over playin harrell over him….

  36. Sheesh Quick!

    I support playing him in context etc., but in the conventional sense Toppin is unplayable right now.

  37. At least Obi defends a little, we gotta rest Randle some minutes, would you prefer no-defense-Kevin?

  38. Thibs was doing so well not playing Taj Gibson way, way, way more than he should right up until today

  39. Quickley is amazing but he sometimes he is shooting from way too far. He’s not Steph or Lillard. Yet.

  40. thibs likes riding the hot lineup… and it’s cost us a few times…

    the man is consistent tho….

  41. Makes me a little uncomfortable that Morgan Freeman, the guy who does voice over on disaster movies, is narrating a NYC promo piece

  42. d-mar:
    I’m still trying to figure out what Toppin does well

    I think he just “plays the right way” it would appear. Just a quick, athletic guy … I dunno. I would still give Knox a shot but sit him after two consecutive misses

  43. Closing lineup for the rest of the season should be IQ Burks RJ Randle Mitch IMO

  44. Still this lineup…? I am so confused. Like, it makes no sense for trying to win, for development, for anything!

  45. What the fuck are rivers and taj still doing in the game

  46. sooo rivers dribbles 10 seconds off the shot clock to pass it to gibson behidn the 3pt line with 2 seconds left…

    why.. so many whys

  47. Thibs should’ve gotten Mitch and RJ off the bench when Randle came in.

  48. Ah finally our other good players are back. I loved the Austin Rivers-Taj Gibson show, but still good to see.

  49. I know Rivers has some skills and has had some big moments, but he’s pointless. I’d way rather have Frank out there defending and not doing much else than have Rivers out there. Quickley would be a good running mate for Frank off the bench. We’d have his defense out there without giving up too much scoring and penetration because Quickley could do most of the handling.

  50. Rivers consistently runs across the paint with the ball, is wide open for a stop-and-pop from 10, but just keeps going to the other side where he’s just taken time off the clock to do nothing. Consistently.

  51. Kawhi is really good.

    Great steal from RJ but I think he could have gotten that ball into the hoop in other ways

  52. Clippers roster top to bottom is much better than the Lakers. Batum and Beverley aren’t even playing today.

  53. That was fun while it was lasted. But they’re just better than us. At least RJ and Quickley both played well. They’re two definite building blocks. (I’m still not sure what the ideal long game is with Randle.)

  54. RJ is clearly not afraid to drive on Leonard – not sure if that level of confidence is foolhardy or falls under the brass balls category, but I kinda like to see it on a young guy.

  55. Reggie is useless and should be permanently benched

  56. BigBlueAL:
    Clippers roster top to bottom is much better than the Lakers.Batum and Beverley aren’t even playing today.

    Yeah but never forget Playoff P

  57. Alan:
    That was fun while it was lasted. But they’re just better than us. At least RJ and Quickley both played well. They’re two definite building blocks. (I’m still not sure what the ideal long game is with Randle.)

    And Mitch!

  58. BigBlueAL:
    Clippers roster top to bottom is much better than the Lakers.Batum and Beverley aren’t even playing today.

    Even if true, LeBron+AD > PG + Kawhi

  59. It was a very good effort against a championship contender that was red hot from 3. I think we missed Nerlens Noel a bit today. They got a few extra rebounds and easy shots with Taj in there they probably wouldn’t have gotten with Nerlens out there.

    Even though Harrell was a good energy piece off the bench for LA last year. Ibaka drags big men outside. I think that was a net upgrade that’s going to help them long term on both sides.

    I like Beverley a lot, but he fits better with a real point forward. They may still need a traditional PG, though with Batum they may have enough playmaking by committee.

  60. Good contest, I enjoyed it. And you can tell it was closer than the score indicates because the third string never saw the floor.

  61. Thibs is insane, going with full court press losing by double digits is as dumb as it can be

  62. Good game, RJ and Quickley played well. The Clippers are just very good. Couldnt we have played small ball with Obi at the 5 now that Noel is out? At least he would have got some more minutes, he needs to play. Also, I would have liked to see some Frank….

  63. Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine. She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

  64. Sorry for Owen having to step in with the game thread, folks. I created a game thread last night but I guess I screwed up the scheduling. My apologies. I was out today and returned just in time for the ending. Seemed like at least a sort of fun game!

  65. Good contest, I enjoyed it. And you can tell it was closer than the score indicates because the third string never saw the floor.

    That was sublime shade.

  66. I don’t watch college ball.

    Does Toppin do “anything” well besides dunk?

    I know he did a lot of his scoring leaking out on fast breaks and also probably overpowering younger players (both of which they’d limit/take away at the NBA level) but I’m having a tough time even seeing him as a rotation player right now let alone a plus player. If you ask me, the only reason he’s on the court is because we don’t have a good alternative at backup PF and Thibs probably feels pressured to play him because he was our “star pick”. This might be a Knox level screw up. It’s too soon to panic, but I’m not seeing anything impressive on either side.

  67. Unreason:
    Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine.She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    Holy crap!!

    Congratulations to both of you.

  68. Unreason:
    Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine.She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    That is so cool!!!!! Out of this world!

    Congrats

  69. Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine. She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    Amazing. You should be proud. That’s awesome.

  70. Unreason:
    Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine.She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    That is f*cking awesome! Congrats to you both! :)

  71. Unreason:
    Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine.She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    Fascinating stuff, both on the scientific and the parenting front. Congrats!!

  72. Competitive game, the final score is a lie, but they’re too good (it hurts to be beaten by Jackson and Patterson, 31 points combined).

    Randle, RJ and IQ with good games (quite an habit uh?)

    I’m increasingly tepid on Mitch’s game, if he’s so good he must dominate an Ibaka/Zubac tandem or when will he shine?

    Bullock, Rivers, Gibson are flotsam,
    surprisingly passive Burks, Heavy Fever from the starting PG (not his worst game),

    Toppin looks like a player with no role, morphed in a long range bomber, with no play designed to exploit his (presumed) strenghts…

    And I can’t really understand why Thibs kept RJ, Mitch and Julius on the bench when the Clippers broke free.
    That was not a “hot lineup”, that was Quickley keeping the game alive by himself while the other four stunk…

  73. Unreason:
    Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine.She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    Wow!
    Great work and congrats!

  74. cybersoze:
    Oh, and i don’t know if anyone goes to P&T from time to time, well i do it and for some weeks now i like to read the game previews they do because it’s always full of old photos of games between the Knicks and our opponent on the game they’re previewing. I like it a lot. This time it even has a “Guess who?” enigma at the end of the post, about one of the photos.

    Max:
    Ron Harper?
    Let’s go Knicks!

    Yes, you’re right, it’s Ron Harper indeed. Not that i can identify him on that photo, but that Clippers team (1992-93) only had 3 ex-Knicks and the other two are clearly on the photo.
    Didn’t remember Mark Jackson played for the Clips. And tried hard to remember who’s our #9 in the photo, and couldn’t. Who the hell is Tony Campbell? :O

  75. Thanks all. I wish I deserved any credit for her or her stuff. She does her thing in spite of us more than because of us. She’s just floating now, after a million anxious moments, that this thing came off successfully. The joy is contagious. Hopefully sharing it adds a bit of icing on top of watching the Knicks put up a good fight today.

  76. Unreason, that is just about the coolest thing I’ve ever read. I’m guessing your daughter is way too smart to be a Knicks fan.

  77. Unreason:
    Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine.She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    Amazing story! You have every reason to be a proud papa.

    Now if only we could shoot Payton and Austin Rivers into space……..

  78. cybersoze: Max:
    Ron Harper?
    Let’s go Knicks!

    Yes, you’re right, it’s Ron Harper indeed. Not that i can identify him on that photo, but that Clippers team (1992-93) only had 3 ex-Knicks and the other two are clearly on the photo.
    Didn’t remember Mark Jackson played for the Clips. And tried hard to remember who’s our #9 in the photo, and couldn’t. Who the hell is Tony Campbell? :O

    The three ex-Knicks were Jackson, Vandeweghe and Gary Grant, Harper never played for us, the clue was the “C” on the shirt (Harper was a good scorer before becoming post-injury a strong defender with the Bulls).

    Campbell was a classic 80’s-90’s small forward, good on bad teams (MIN) and serviceable with good ones (Detroit, Lakers), he was on decline when he came to us…

  79. thenoblefacehumper: I’m guessing your daughter is way too smart to be a Knicks fan.

    “Smartest ones are the Knicks fans”, she says. You can try to teach them but sometimes they just won’t learn.

    She’s been to more Sixers than Knicks games. My brother is down in Philly and always has season tickets while I’ve rarely gotten to the garden in the last few years. But she remains more a Knicks than a Sixers fan despite conniving cousins that have encouraged her to memorize Sixers’ promo song schlock and given her posters and jerseys. Most importantly, she hasn’t ventured anywhere near the dark side in this god-forsaken Boston sports sphere in Maine.

  80. Max: Harper never played for us

    Oh man, i always mess this up, when his name comes up i add Harper to 90s Knicks and think he played for us, when it was Derek Harper, not Ron.
    Thanx, no wonder i didn’t knew who Campbell was! ;)

  81. Your daughter rules! ;)

    Exactly. Awesome job by your daughter, Unreason.

  82. can we have her build a satellite that will launch cheeseburger’s into doncic’s home?

    for science of course…..

  83. djphan:
    can we have her build a satellite that will launch cheeseburger’s into doncic’s home?

    for science of course…..

    I’m going to guess she’s smart enough to launch them straight into his mouth.

  84. djphan:
    can we have her build a satellite that will launch cheeseburger’s into doncic’s home?

    for science of course…..

    I like it. Maybe fire some in Harden’d direction too. Actually, Nerlens looks like he might benefit from an additional burger or two.

  85. Unreason:
    Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine.She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.

    Pure awesomeness. You should be prouder than a peacock. Such a noble pursuit.

  86. Jokic is so fucking good. I actually thought Kristaps was going to be the better player at one point.

  87. can we have her build a satellite that will launch cheeseburger’s into doncic’s home?

    for science of course…..

    this is basically the plot to real genius

  88. I have no idea what the context is (why are we discussing Tony Campbell and his Knicks relationship with Ron Harper??), but here is what I can offer: Campbell (who had once won a ring with the Showtime Lakers) came to the Knicks the same week that they traded Mark Jackson for Charles Smith and Doc Rivers. Campbell played pretty well as a starter early on (Charles Smith came off the bench at first, then took over the starting SF role about 1/4 of the way in). That was the best Knicks team of the modern era, winning 60 games. Campbell was then traded for Derek Harper after Doc blew out his knee. So that may be the cause of confusion as to any Ron Harper/Tony Campbell connection(?).

    (I feel like I just wrote an un-solicited Unsung Knicks History piece, sorry to steal your gig Brian:)

  89. @Unreason
    Children do not do remarkable things without parents, who set them up to do so. Much respect for all of you.

  90. Z: I have no idea what the context is (why are we discussing Tony Campbell and his Knicks relationship with Ron Harper??), but here is what I can offer

    Thanks for bringing more details on the Tony Campbell Knicks career! :)
    It was me that started it, as i’ve mentioned that Posting&Toasting now has a game preview post with lots of old photos of the two teams, and in the last photo there it was – Tony Campbell as the #9 that i didn’t manage to identify. Makes sense, in Portugal regular season games only started to broadcast after the first Bulls three-peat, and only 1 game each week.
    If you want to check the photos, here’s the link: Game Preview: Knicks vs. Clippers, 1/31/2021

  91. Paul George on Knicks rookie Immanuel Quickley: "I like him."George mentions that he and a few others were talking in the back about how good Quickley's floater game is.— Justin Russo (@FlyByKnite) January 31, 2021

  92. can we have her build a satellite that will launch cheeseburger’s into doncic’s home?

    for science of course…

    There’s probably no NASA grant money for it but you might entice Musk or Bezos if you pitch it as a way to innovate gig workers out of a job.

  93. I know the Nets can score pretty much at will, but their defense is just so terrible. They’ve even managed to turn Westbrook into an efficient scorer.

  94. Nets Wizards is a weird fucking game, Brad Beal staged a work stoppage in the first half and he’s still got like 30 points because the Nets are playing like they don’t know defense is allowed

  95. Also, looking at this score, it feels like an entirely different sport from what the Knicks play. When is the last time we hit 146 points in regulation?

  96. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine. She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA.

    whoa, glad i took the time to look through the thread – that is so freaking cool…

  97. I could see bottom feeders like WAS and MIN improving their records as they get healthy. There’s a ton of parity in the league right now. Even the bad teams are pretty good.

  98. #Off topic but had to share. Just watched the successful launch of the first biofueled rocket. It’s carrying a cubesat (very small satellite) my 16 year-old daughter helped build from off the shell components. It’s testing sensors for a mission to capture geophysical signals that she’ll use to predict harmful algal blooms in fresh water bodies of water in Maine. She thought of and designed the study motivating the mission. She wrote the competitive grant to get it selected for support in by NASA. Big day for her. Proud poppa.#

    WoW! Very Impressive! Congrats!

  99. I love the unsung series, and it was fun reading that one about HaGrant again. (And I stand by my contention that Xavier McD was as soft as peat moss, and that nobody remembers how invisible he was for the entire regular season and only remember several inspired games in the playoffs:)

  100. Thanks, folks, maybe I’ll write another one some day. I wonder at what point does stuff that’s happened post-Knickerblogger start to count? :) If so, the Fred Jones three pointer against Charlotte will get its own article (the Ndour game is far too infamous to ever be Unsung).

  101. Brian, the Unsung Knick History was a great serie, time to dust it off, it was so beautiful!

    As an aside, yesterday was the 40th anniversary of the first NBA broadcast in Italy, it was a game on a 13 days tape delay :-)

    Incredibly The Athletic wrote a piece about it and here they re-broadcast the game with the original comment.
    I remember that day as it was yesterday, for a young “read all you can put your eyes on” NBA fan it was like a delayed Christmas gift…

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