Comments on: 2019-20 Game Thread: Knicks @ Warriors – Tankageddon!

By: Donnie Walsh

Donnie Walsh — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 02:55:52 +0000

I’m more interested in the odds. What are the historical odds that a player drafted 17+ becomes useful? BTW, we have useful players already, we need bonafide stars. Asking that same question about stars? The answer is few to none. Just looking at your list I would say that Jokic, Siakam and Brogdon, might be the only ones that eventually earn the “star” designation.

You’d have to define “useful”. A positive VORP over, say 7000+ career minutes? Because the odds of that between 2011-2015 for picks 17-60 were 18%.

By: The Honorable Cock Jowles

The Honorable Cock Jowles — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 02:31:25 +0000

Let’s get this L baby

By: DRed

DRed — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 01:33:48 +0000

no trier and no ellington tonight

By: JK47

JK47 — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 01:06:45 +0000

I know for damn sure there was no KP for Paul George trade being discussed. Phil was aiming a whole hell of a lot lower than that.

By: DRed

DRed — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 00:58:12 +0000

on either simmons or lowe’s pod they strongly hinted KD stopped wanting to come to the Knicks when we traded Kristaps

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 00:51:17 +0000

In reply to Hubert.

As I said at the time, if the Knicks made the KP trade without assurances from Durant that he was coming here, I thought it was a foolish trade. However, I also think that they likely did have assurances from Durant (through Rich Kleiman) that just fell by the wayside when Durant got hurt. I think Mills and Perry are pretty bad, but even I don’t think they were so bad that they made a blockbuster centered around clearing up two max spots just on the hope that two max guys were coming here.

So for me, it’s a bit hard to gauge the value they got for KP because I think the situation changed dramatically with Durant’s injury. That Mills and Perry just were that stupid is at least a possibility, I must concede, but I doubt it.

By: Owen

Owen — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 00:51:11 +0000

The Pacers did get a sick haul for Paul George. The next time we are forced to trade an elite, in his prime talent, that’s the kind of return I hope we get.

By: Hubert

Hubert — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 00:41:21 +0000

It’s not really 20/20 hindsight — Jackson wanted to trade him

You’re right, Phil knew when to move him, but

and would have gotten way more than they actually got.

That’s wrong. Even with the timing right Phil was looking to move him for 40 cents on the dollar:

https://mobile.twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA/status/877691488129474560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-21160124581742708816.ampproject.net%2F1912120230490%2Fframe.html

By: JK47

JK47 — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 00:39:14 +0000

The Suns wouldn’t give up Devin Booker for Porzingis. They offered the #4 2017 pick that ended up being Josh Jackson plus a 2018 protected pick from the Heat (ended up being Zhaire Smith) and were also offering notable piles of suck Dragan Bender and Marqueese Chriss. Phil was apparently eyeballing Josh Jackson with the pick.

So that’s how that could have ended up, Porzingis for Josh Jackson, Zhaire Smith and Dragan Bender. Sick haul.

By: E

Sat, 14 Dec 2019 00:22:23 +0000

It’s not really 20/20 hindsight — Jackson wanted to trade him and would have gotten way more than they actually got. The failure with him set the organization back by years.