if you’re gonna take one data point in plus minus…. you have to accept all the numbers also…. and all the other numbers are actually more informative… way less noisy… and have sufficient samples to make the right conclusions…

and the conclusion is that frank have been a really bad player and unlikely to be come better than that… i imagine this is gonna end in tears for a lot of ppl but it’s the truth….

Now if you were going to give Mitch the pt he deserves..

it is kind of funny to see on-off data described as “fake stats” by a cohort that insists on the inviolability of individual box score data.

Thank you for explaining that you’re missing the point by a country mile.

The fact that it’s spread over 2 and now 3 seasons

Got that guys? Three seasons. Six games is now a season.

Without looking at the “fake stats,” I want you to tell me every player who has been subbed in for Frank (their play constitutes the “off” data), what percentage of available minutes each one played, their on/off metrics, and the total number of possessions they played, collectively.

You don’t me or anyone else to tell you that stuff; it’s all easy to find. So is lineup data.

But it is kind of funny to see on-off data described as “fake stats” by a cohort that insists on the inviolability of individual box score data.

seasonal consistency is not statistically relevant and contains only two data points with differing quantities

I have a hard time believing this. It would seem to me that a guy playing on two different teams (1000 minutes each) is more relevant than a guy who plays 2000 minutes for the same team. For example, DSJ as the primary ball handler vs DSJ playing with Doncic is relevant. In the case of evaluating defense, 3 seasons on 3 different teams (composition of team not the team name) should logically be more revealing than 1 season with equivalent total minutes but with one group of teammates.

I don’t care who starts as long as Mitch plays until he fouls out

haha portis for mitch it’s all happening

The lineup data with Mitch is godawful this year, although no reasonable person would say it’s Mitch’s “fault.” Not sure what to do in that situation; it’s not as though they can just snap their fingers and say bye-bye to Julius Randle and Marcus Morris and RJ Barrett. You could space the floor and play a lot more pick and roll, with a lineup like Frank/RJ/Knox/Randle/Mitch, but that doesn’t seem to be in the cards. I’d much prefer that lineup to this mismatched clodfest, but I doubt Fizdale thinks he could get away with it even if he wanted to. (You could flip-flop Knox and Ellington and achieve pretty much the same thing. The offense should have Mitch diving to the rim and kickout guys standing at the 3 line.)