I went to this casino in Ocean City, MD recently. They reshuffle after every hand. You might as well just give them your money when you walk in and go back to the beach.

This is the age of extremes and group think and appeal to authority. The NFL is a league where the experts supported the selections of Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Dave Klingler, Matt Leinart and Andre Ware as top 6 picks.

So let’s see Jones play in the NFL before making any conclusions. He looked good in his first series, like he belonged. He looked nothing like the narrative.

he was playing with sub par athletes his entire career…. and that’s factorial.

So he’ll be used to
the kind of teammates he’ll have
on the Giants, cool.

Fowler had just 1.51 yards of separation on his two catches on the drive, according to NextGen stats. Latimer had 1.79 yards of separation on his two receptions. The league average last season was 2.82 yards.

So you’re saying that over time he likely to toss a lot of interceptions to questionable targets? I’m just pulling your chain, don’t care about football at all. One thing I do know is the Greek Chorus was a pretty reliable guide to how the play was gonna go down.

Oh so they played Clemson every week, cool

I know smarm trumps facts here but he was playing with sub par athletes his entire career…. and that’s factorial.

I was VERY impressed with Sam Darnold who was like a surgeon on the field and did things I didn’t see him do last year.

Darnold looks to have a bright future but he made a mind numbingly awful throw on the first play. he never accounted for the weak side safety when he walked to the line of scrimmage and thew a gift wrapped pick six which was dropped.

Jones was virtually flawless throwing into extremely tight windows with precision:

Maybe most impressive was the accuracy Jones displayed on the drive, firing several passes into tight windows, including on the touchdown. Fowler had just 1.51 yards of separation on his two catches on the drive, according to NextGen stats. Latimer had 1.79 yards of separation on his two receptions. The league average last season was 2.82 yards.

Maybe you supposed “advanced stats” guys should , I don’t know…. take note of advanced stats rather than Mel Kiper and the Greek Chorus’s opinions???

Like I said, I never say the guy play a down in college, but he certainly looked virtually perfect in his debut. We’ll find out how good he is in the fullness of time with many vicissitudes along the way, but he certainly did nothing to disabuse a high first round pick last night.

It’s a process v result argument, Bob. If you go to a casino and put your life savings on red, and it hits, does the result make it a smart choice?

As someone who was barred from the Mirage for card counting in 2004 and plays 25 hours of NLH live poker a week winning 7BBS/hr over a large sample, I think I know more about advantage play in casinos tham most and the red/black analogy isn’t worth commenting on. Everyone is undefeated playing results…..

I am curious how the “analytics world” quantifies performance statistically when he is playing Clemson with 3 #1 picks on the DL beating him up all day and his WRs have 4.9 40 speed and Clemson DBs have 4.55 average speed?

Oh so they played Clemson every week, cool

I’m a Giants fan, and thus I will root for Gettleman to be right and the entire analytics world to be wrong about Daniel Jones.

I am curious how the “analytics world” quantifies performance statistically when he is playing Clemson with 3 #1 picks on the DL beating him up all day and his WRs have 4.9 40 speed and Clemson DBs have 4.55 average speed?

I share alsep’s concerns about him being a little Phil Jacksonesque and anti-analytics. But he’s rebuilding the team from the lines and he’s doing a decent job at it. I loved the Barkley pick, i don’t mind the Beckham trade, I agree with not paying Collins.

I just think he has a distorted valuation system and that’s going to creates holes elsewhere. For instance, if you love Jones, fine. But we need an edge rusher, too. We should have come out of that draft with Josh Allen *and* Phil Jones. His distorted valuation and unreasonable infuriation with a guy projected to go in the second or third round cost us a premier edge rushing talent. That’s a huge void that will cost a lot to make up for.

He had the 6 and 17. He had his evaluation of all the players. I can only assume when he took Jones at 6 he had some reasonable fear that someone would trade up to 7-16 ( or Washington who absolutely needed a QB would nab him) to nab him and he didn’t want to take that risk. Whether he was right or wrong only depends how the player works out, This notion he “KNEW” Jones would be available at 17 or lower is just people’s opinions. His evaluation was he thought highly enough of Jones not to be willing to take that risk. He may be right or he may be wrong.

Drafting like poker is a game of incomplete information. There were a lot of experts who thought Phil Simms was an awful reach at 11. 2 chips later Young was proved quite correct.

Anyone see the highlight of Mitch rejecting de’aaron fox twice on one play? That was pretty cool