Comments on: ESPN: Bucks, Clippers top Caesars’ season-win totals

By: swiftandabundant

swiftandabundant — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 05:55:46 +0000

I was only bringing up Chandler’s all-star appearance in the context of all his other career achievements. You’re right to not be impressed by an all star appearance. Although you guys act like it’s an easy thing to do when it is in fact, not. Even if the process is flawed in picking all stars, it’s still an achievement. But an all star appearance along with winning DPOY one year and starting for a championship team one year and winning a gold medal and bring on multiple competitive teams as a starter for his career? That’s a good player.

By: Z-man

Z-man — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 04:34:51 +0000

Are the Mets really 11 of their last 15?

By: Z-man

Z-man — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 02:50:54 +0000

I’m certainly in agreement that Chandler was a very valuable player on both ends of the floor, for all the reasons you put forth, JK. But the vast, vast majority of his value comes from his rebounding and both perimeter defense and rim protection. A guy that plays defense and rebounds like Tyson Chandler but only shoots at a .570 TS% on a 12% USG% is still incredibly valuable. A guy who shoots .750 TS% at a 12% usage rate but is a below average rebounder, perimeter defender and rim protector is not an NBA rotation player.

I don’t think there’s much of a difference on offense between Chandler and, say, Mutombo or Ben Wallace, despite the difference in TS%.

By: JK47

JK47 — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 01:52:18 +0000

I was never a big WP48 fan, it always seemed to me like that metric overvalued players like Chandler. But that doesn’t mean Chandler wasn’t a highly effective player on both ends of the floor.

Efficient dive men like Chandler have value beyond the boxscore, you have to account for them at all times because you don’t want them to get a dive and lob– that is an automatic bucket, as attested to by Chandler’s insanely high TS%. He could also make free throws, so he’d punish you in that regard as well, and he was a very good offensive rebounder, so he’d get you lots of extra possessions. The idea that in total those things aren’t very beneficial to an offense seems, uh, wrong?

Low usage, low-efficiency bums like Frank Ntilikina are what kills an offense, they force you to play four-on-five. It wasn’t like that with Tyson Chandler. He was a threat, and had to be treated as such.

By: Grocer

Grocer — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 01:50:08 +0000

Saying Gabbard is pro Assad is a bit misleading. She thinks he’s a brutal dictator, but is against regime change because she thinks he poses no threat to the US and our involvement is making matters worse for the Syrian people.

This doesn’t really track with her strongly voiced support for Russian attacks on Syrian rebels and her complaints that the US was being insufficient in their attacks on same. Maybe Assad is the best of bad options – he’s Saddam level at this point but it’s def true that many Iraqis aren’t better off now – but she has not been advocating for strict non-interference. It’s basically cold war style interference she wants, with communists replaced with islamicists. That’s not how she spins it, but it’s what her actual stances demonstrate.

By: Z-man

Z-man — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 01:14:24 +0000

Ortg?!?!?! Must be some good shit! Alas, I’m all out…

By: The Honorable Cock Jowles

The Honorable Cock Jowles — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:55:37 +0000

I am stoned as fuck and two happy hour ciders in but I still know u wrong

His Ortg still led the NBA four times and his VORP was top 20 twice. That’s not an insignificant feat. That would make him the best and most valuable player on most teams, categorically

By: Z-man

Z-man — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:48:03 +0000

Jowles, you must be pretty stoned if you think that that’s what I was trying to say. I was merely pointing out that swiftandabundant stating that Chandler was an all-star had no relevance in this argument. And again, I said in an earlier post that Chandler was a great rebounder and defender. He was a mediocre offensive player who was smart enough to know that he was mediocre and therefore had among the lowest usage rates in history. But you and others who were on a now-defunct WP48 sugar high driven by stats that grossly inflated low-volume/high-efficiency scoring and rebounding don’t want to budge on declaring Chandler an all-time great offensive player, as you did often back in that time period. Even in the face of new stats that bring his offensive value back down to earth, the same stats you and others now use to praise or diss current players, you can’t look back and admit that you vastly overrated Chandler.

By: The Honorable Cock Jowles

The Honorable Cock Jowles — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:10:39 +0000

I don’t give a fuck how long your wingspan is when you shoot .417 TS%

Get the fuck outta here

By: The Honorable Cock Jowles

The Honorable Cock Jowles — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:09:38 +0000

Z-man is trying to retcon his terrible, unabashed wrongness from 2011-2015 and I won’t have it at all.

You’re smarter than this. Deferring to All-Star selections is so fucking dumb that I’m starting to believe that someone else duplicated your screen name to smear you. Clean that shit up.