Comments on: Knicks Morning News (2019.06.16)

By: Ingmarrrr

Ingmarrrr — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 07:56:40 +0000

Found it. But not where you evaluate swaps and deferrals.

By: Ingmarrrr

Ingmarrrr — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 05:25:55 +0000

if you use the prototype nba draft value board, swap rights are worth about 11 points, which is equivalent to getting the 31st pick outright. the deferral is worth more like 8 which is around the 34th pick.

ptmilo, what’s the nba draft value board?

By: bidiong

bidiong — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 04:51:51 +0000

Probably a wreck. I think KP would have been traded for much less. We wouldn’t have resigned Hardaway though.

By: dtrickey

dtrickey — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 04:49:06 +0000

Ok, here’s a fun game. What does the alternative “Phil Jackson never got fired” timeline look like?

After an off-season peyote session in Montana, the Knicks core of Rose, KP, Noah, Melo and a plucky young Frenchman gel and go on to shock the NBA to win a total of 30 games under the leadership of Hornacek.

By: JK47

JK47 — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 04:12:46 +0000

Ok, here’s a fun game. What does the alternative “Phil Jackson never got fired” timeline look like?

By: thenoblefacehumper

thenoblefacehumper — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 02:52:56 +0000

Trading Porzingis in general was undoubtedly the right move and plenty of us thought so well before it came out that he was unhappy.

The question is what extra assets we could’ve gotten if we didn’t dump Lee and THJ. Just estimating, but maybe no protections on the 2023 pick and a swap in 2022? It’s hard to imagine it being more than that for a player of Porzingis’ caliber. I mean, anymore than that and you’re approaching Anthony freakin’ Davis territory for a guy who has literally only been good in November.

If they can use the cap space they gained to get extra assets, they’ll probably have lost very little value by dumping the salaries. And obviously, if they’re still able to land elite free agents that aspect of the trade will look good too. It’ll look bad if they either just do nothing with the extra space for some reason (maybe the asset opportunities don’t present themselves) or they sign unworthy free agents, but we knew the latter part already.

By: dtrickey

dtrickey — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 02:21:05 +0000

I feel Hayward is a bit underrated at the moment. Boston would be selling low if they were to dump is deal, and I am not convinced they would be willing to give up assets to move him just yet. I think it’s not too controversial to think a player may be better off in year 2 post recovery from his ankle breaking in half.

All that said, I would not hesitate to jump at taking on board his salary if some 1st came with it.

By: Mike Honcho

Mike Honcho — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 00:28:32 +0000

They might want to make a play for Tobias Harris or any of the other B-list guys to stay in the playoffs after Kyrie bolts. I don’t really know much Ainge should want to double down on the current team sans Kyrie, though. Tatum is still young for them to pivot to rebuilding for a few years.

By: ClashFan

ClashFan — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 00:03:28 +0000

Take Hayward with a 1st round pick or two? Yes, please.

In fact, the Knicks could sell that to many dumb fans as acquiring a “star” on the cheap and to the rest of us as renting cap space for the rebuild. Let him put up all the pointz he wants next year so that he’ll either opt out of his deal or at least become a coveted expiring.

As noted above, though, why would the Celtics do that? Are they are eyeing a max level free agent?

By: MBunge

MBunge — Sun, 16 Jun 2019 23:09:04 +0000

Why in the world would Boston trade Hayward? Let alone give up extra to get rid of him? With Kyrie gone, they could resign Morris and Rozier without getting killed by the luxury tax and roll into next year with the same team that beat Philly and the Bucks and took LeBron to game 7 in the East finals…and add a healthier Hayward, the 14th pick, and possibly a legit vet to come off the bench.

If Toronto and Philly lose their big free agents, Boston could easily be the second best team in the conference next year and a Giannis sprained ankle away from a chance at a title.

Mike