…there is a realm where if the goal is to restock the talent cupboard with youth and picks (sound familiar?), you can defend the trade by saying that trading your best player in his prime allows you to further hit the reset button. I’ll buy that if they do something with Eli this offseason.

it is extremely obvious that DSJ’s upside is worth both of these things

Really? I see a very dumb, lackadaisical player with a horribly broken shot.

Personally, I prefer DSJ to Mudiay, but it’s such a low bar that it’s hard to care much about how management handles it, so long as neither costs more than $5 mill in cap space over the next 2 years.

This is simply not true. You lose $4+ million in cap space and a roster spot.

Are you serious? I can’t tell.

If so, I think it is extremely obvious that DSJ’s upside is worth both of these things, because they amount to very little.

“I absolutely would not let DSJ’s presence get in the way of signing Kyrie, or drafting Morant, or both. But as long as he’s here we have nothing to lose by playing him, trying to develop him, and seeing what happens.”

This is simply not true. You lose $4+ million in cap space and a roster spot.

And I’ll repeat, Kyrie and KD leaving tens of millions in salary on the table to sign with an NBA team that is horrible and been run like ass for 20 years because NEW YORK makes no sense. There had better be some tampering going on or a lot of folks are being played for fools.

Mike

Giants fans are pissed.

Which just goes to show how stupid most fans are.
The Giant GM’s moves this off season:

1…. somehow swapped the most overpaid non-pass rusher in the league for a very good (by every metric) OG in his prime filling a gaping hole in the OL .

2… avoided paying a safety/”linebacker” who can’t cover in space with a damaged labrum (think he going to be taking on 300 lb guards next season?) 95M and further crippling the cap. Collins was terrific as a rookie and was exploited through the air ever since. He IS a phenomenal tackler when healthy .Replaced him easily with move #3

3… Moved a gifted receiver who is an enormous pain in the ass and reasonably frail on a huge contract for a good 23 yr old starting strong safety, a number one pick (#17) (which frees up the #6 pick to draft the OSU QB should they chose to) and a third rounder. How do you think the next rookie QB that takes over would be influenced by OBJ yelling throw me the fucking ball every other play. Evan Engram should probably be playing on the outside anyway.

4…. And by the way… the GM’s first four picks were all hits last year…..

Warren Buffet makes an interesting point about his own investment success. To paraphrase, he says it’s easy to see the successes and mistakes he’s made. It’s less easy to see his mistakes of omission. By that he means all the deals that were available that he did not make that would have turned out great. Those are mistakes too. We just don’t know about them.

If you look at Perry’s record, he hasn’t done anything especially bad in terms of deals (unless you want to count being so terrible as helping push KP out the door). However, he hasn’t done much good either. Most of the players he’s signed have been the same overrated no defense players Mills likes.

The one excellent thing he did was draft Robinson and to a lesser extent give Trier a shot. But we don’t know how much of that was prior scouting, current counting, or him. Offsetting that, someone also has to take responsibility for Knox (good or bad long term).

I think Perry is being graded on a curve. He hasn’t done much that’s terrible. That’s making people overrate what he has done without considering the fact that he hasn’t done much good in 2 years either.

Look at Mudiay’s numbers from his age-21 season, which was his third (as opposed to DSJ’s second) in the NBA. They are hideous, NtiliKnoxian-level trash. DSJ is undoubtedly way ahead of Mudiay on the developmental curve.

I agree. The age difference is a legitimate point in DSJ’s favor.

But you can counter that with Mudiay having no college, spending a year overseas mostly injured and losing a year of development, and then rotting on Denver’s bench for half a year. Plus as a few of our regular posters often point out, development is not a guarantee. It’s just a statistical probability.