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		By: Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders &#38; two-way players. Then play them!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders &#38; two-way players. Then play them!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 05:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem with Berri was not that his model had some flaws (it does).  It&#039;s that he and his minions knew close to nothing about basketball when they created that model.  When confronted with obvious issues that needed to be addressed, rather than accept the criticism and improve the model they insisted that everyone else was wrong.  It was one of the worst cases of cognitive bias I have ever seen. 

There are rare times when everyone is wrong, but when a lot of the players you have ranked at the top of the league have trouble getting off the bench, it&#039;s probably you that have a problem.  

Coaches have long had a boxscore to work with and can generally see which players are helping/hurting the team by how it does when they are on or off the court.   The idea should have been to give them more data and a better understanding of it so they could get there quicker.  I think creating these catch all ratings was one of the biggest mistakes the stats community made.  I guess that&#039;s what the fans and media wanted, but all those models are a &quot;fail&quot;.  Basketball is not baseball.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Berri was not that his model had some flaws (it does).  It&#8217;s that he and his minions knew close to nothing about basketball when they created that model.  When confronted with obvious issues that needed to be addressed, rather than accept the criticism and improve the model they insisted that everyone else was wrong.  It was one of the worst cases of cognitive bias I have ever seen. </p>
<p>There are rare times when everyone is wrong, but when a lot of the players you have ranked at the top of the league have trouble getting off the bench, it&#8217;s probably you that have a problem.  </p>
<p>Coaches have long had a boxscore to work with and can generally see which players are helping/hurting the team by how it does when they are on or off the court.   The idea should have been to give them more data and a better understanding of it so they could get there quicker.  I think creating these catch all ratings was one of the biggest mistakes the stats community made.  I guess that&#8217;s what the fans and media wanted, but all those models are a &#8220;fail&#8221;.  Basketball is not baseball.</p>
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		By: Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders &#38; two-way players. Then play them!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders &#38; two-way players. Then play them!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 05:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Melo should be happy he didn&#039;t get picked up by the Lakers or he&#039;d be getting the blame for this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melo should be happy he didn&#8217;t get picked up by the Lakers or he&#8217;d be getting the blame for this.</p>
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		By: djphan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 05:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the last few drafts really angered me.... i probably was wrong on the kp pick... but having winslow on his contract vs kp on a max makes me think it might&#039;ve worked out anyway...  

and the last two really took the cake.... i really liked dsj but the pick really should&#039;ve been zach collins.... and he was probably not on our radar at all because of kp.... that is why drafting bpa is the only way to go especially when you&#039;re as bad as us...  and knox was just bad... the definition of a landmine.... i daydream sometimes of having a squad of winslow... collins and troy brown...  but alas... 

so we have dsj and robinson... and cap space.. which isn&#039;t nothing... but it&#039;s also a far cry from what could have been with at least some diligence....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the last few drafts really angered me&#8230;. i probably was wrong on the kp pick&#8230; but having winslow on his contract vs kp on a max makes me think it might&#8217;ve worked out anyway&#8230;  </p>
<p>and the last two really took the cake&#8230;. i really liked dsj but the pick really should&#8217;ve been zach collins&#8230;. and he was probably not on our radar at all because of kp&#8230;. that is why drafting bpa is the only way to go especially when you&#8217;re as bad as us&#8230;  and knox was just bad&#8230; the definition of a landmine&#8230;. i daydream sometimes of having a squad of winslow&#8230; collins and troy brown&#8230;  but alas&#8230; </p>
<p>so we have dsj and robinson&#8230; and cap space.. which isn&#8217;t nothing&#8230; but it&#8217;s also a far cry from what could have been with at least some diligence&#8230;.</p>
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		By: geo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[just checked the boxscore, booker actually had a good game...

time to seriously cut lebron&#039;s minutes...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just checked the boxscore, booker actually had a good game&#8230;</p>
<p>time to seriously cut lebron&#8217;s minutes&#8230;</p>
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		By: geo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 04:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know it&#039;s one of those &quot;iconic&quot; flicks, but, I don&#039;t think i ever saw the first space jam...

dang, lakers making it close...booker really sucks...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s one of those &#8220;iconic&#8221; flicks, but, I don&#8217;t think i ever saw the first space jam&#8230;</p>
<p>dang, lakers making it close&#8230;booker really sucks&#8230;</p>
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		By: JK47		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JK47]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 04:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a baseball stat nerd, and I was reading Bill James books in the mid-80&#039;s, so I&#039;ve seen how statistical analysis in sports improves and improves over the years. Bill James took the work of Pete Palmer and improved on it, then the disciples of Bill James took his work and improved on that, and then things like Pitch FX and detailed batted ball data became available and now there are very few things that we don&#039;t know. We can peg the value of baseball players pretty accurately. The formulas the Bill James invented in the 80&#039;s are obsolete now, but that doesn&#039;t mean they weren&#039;t valuable building blocks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a baseball stat nerd, and I was reading Bill James books in the mid-80&#8217;s, so I&#8217;ve seen how statistical analysis in sports improves and improves over the years. Bill James took the work of Pete Palmer and improved on it, then the disciples of Bill James took his work and improved on that, and then things like Pitch FX and detailed batted ball data became available and now there are very few things that we don&#8217;t know. We can peg the value of baseball players pretty accurately. The formulas the Bill James invented in the 80&#8217;s are obsolete now, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they weren&#8217;t valuable building blocks.</p>
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		By: Bruno Almeida		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruno Almeida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 04:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man, if the Lakers lose to the Suns... at what point does LeBron simply snaps and has a breakdown? Or is he more worried about Space Jam 2 and doesn’t give a fuck about this year?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, if the Lakers lose to the Suns&#8230; at what point does LeBron simply snaps and has a breakdown? Or is he more worried about Space Jam 2 and doesn’t give a fuck about this year?</p>
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		By: geo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 04:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wow, lebron looks like he&#039;s aged 10 years since the groin injury...he just moves soooooooo slow now...

he&#039;s still really big and strong, and, can pass great - but, his defense is near non-existent lately...

the suns looking good tonight for the win...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, lebron looks like he&#8217;s aged 10 years since the groin injury&#8230;he just moves soooooooo slow now&#8230;</p>
<p>he&#8217;s still really big and strong, and, can pass great &#8211; but, his defense is near non-existent lately&#8230;</p>
<p>the suns looking good tonight for the win&#8230;</p>
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		By: Z-man		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 03:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you, Owen. As I said, at the end of the day, we&#039;ve all gravitated towards a reasonable center between the various extremes. I, for one, admit to learning some hard lessons after being a bit late to the party. But also at the end of the day, it&#039;s pretty clear that Berri went too far in his methodology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Owen. As I said, at the end of the day, we&#8217;ve all gravitated towards a reasonable center between the various extremes. I, for one, admit to learning some hard lessons after being a bit late to the party. But also at the end of the day, it&#8217;s pretty clear that Berri went too far in his methodology.</p>
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		By: Owen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 02:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What JK47 said. 

Bargnani, Courtney Lee, Joakim Noah, NTC or hell even re-signing Melo, Tim Hardaway. There are so many things we never would have done.  Myles Turner is a great call him. I loved that kid and took him third in fantasy.  I might have taken WCS IRL too, loved him also. 

I never would have traded for Eddy Curry. 

It&#039;s funny to me that people periodically still bag on WP here. Like him or not, and most people don&#039;t, Berri played a significant role in popularizing a moneyball approach to basketball. He was by no means the first guy saying all this stuff. He built on the foundation that Dean Oliver laid out in Basketball on Paper in 2005. Hollinger was out there, Pelton, Chaikin, etc.  And Kurylo! Where is that handsome bastard? This site was actually one of the few places on the internet you could easily find the Four Factors. 

Berri though really pushed the conversation out to a mass audience with polemical stuff that ran in big media outlets and generated some heat. With his blog and book, with his attacks on Hollinger, he made it interesting and kind of fun.  Who would have thought that Malcolm Gladwell, at the height of his fame, would review a book on applying econometrics to basketball?

I don&#039;t think it takes a genius to see that missing a shot is kind of like making an out and should be avoided at all costs. Or that 3 points are more than 2 points. Or that shooting 80% from the foul line is better than shooting 40% from the floor. Or that turnovers are bad. But in the Dark Ages before Pelton and Oliver and Hollinger and Berri no one really talked about any of it. And now they do and the entire NBA has changed.  It probably would have happened anyway but I do think a small group of people in some remote areas of the internet played a part in it. 

And as I have said a million times, there is a lot of stuff in the WOW beyond the metric that no one know really disputes and has become conventional wisdom. 

Yes! Hit my limit!...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What JK47 said. </p>
<p>Bargnani, Courtney Lee, Joakim Noah, NTC or hell even re-signing Melo, Tim Hardaway. There are so many things we never would have done.  Myles Turner is a great call him. I loved that kid and took him third in fantasy.  I might have taken WCS IRL too, loved him also. </p>
<p>I never would have traded for Eddy Curry. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny to me that people periodically still bag on WP here. Like him or not, and most people don&#8217;t, Berri played a significant role in popularizing a moneyball approach to basketball. He was by no means the first guy saying all this stuff. He built on the foundation that Dean Oliver laid out in Basketball on Paper in 2005. Hollinger was out there, Pelton, Chaikin, etc.  And Kurylo! Where is that handsome bastard? This site was actually one of the few places on the internet you could easily find the Four Factors. </p>
<p>Berri though really pushed the conversation out to a mass audience with polemical stuff that ran in big media outlets and generated some heat. With his blog and book, with his attacks on Hollinger, he made it interesting and kind of fun.  Who would have thought that Malcolm Gladwell, at the height of his fame, would review a book on applying econometrics to basketball?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it takes a genius to see that missing a shot is kind of like making an out and should be avoided at all costs. Or that 3 points are more than 2 points. Or that shooting 80% from the foul line is better than shooting 40% from the floor. Or that turnovers are bad. But in the Dark Ages before Pelton and Oliver and Hollinger and Berri no one really talked about any of it. And now they do and the entire NBA has changed.  It probably would have happened anyway but I do think a small group of people in some remote areas of the internet played a part in it. </p>
<p>And as I have said a million times, there is a lot of stuff in the WOW beyond the metric that no one know really disputes and has become conventional wisdom. </p>
<p>Yes! Hit my limit!&#8230;</p>
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