I haven’t seen one person clamor for his trade. Literally, not one. On the contrary, most Frank-skeptics likely would agree that now would be the absolute worst time to trade him.

Now would be a bad time to trade him because you can’t get lottery value for him. But in October the Knicks will be faced with picking up his option and guys that don’t show any improvement over their first two seasons don’t typically stick around. And it doesn’t matter when they were drafted or how old they are (see Hezonja #5, 21; Bender #4, 20; Chriss #8, 21; etc…). So “giving up on him” now is actually better than giving up on him in October and making him an UFA with no value whatsoever. (Just saying).

Of course, none of this matters if we end up with Zion Williamson. Zion wouldn’t make not tanking in a year where Luka Doncic was available okay, but if we could get him and maybe trade for Markelle Fultz, I’d be pretty happy with that regardless of who came to town in 2019.

He starts plays by calling it out and passing. Then someone goes hero ball. Every time. It’s a roster of Trier, Hardaway, Kanter, Burke, Knox… literally no one but him is looking to run plays for anyone but themself. It’s nauseating.

Yea noble, I guess you’re right and I was overreacting. But I get so pissed when everyone looks at the stats without watching the game and seeing wtf is going on. He’s not the problem. This ain’t culture building.

I have my issues with the way he’s used, but there’s only so much his role can explain away when he’s constantly putting up donuts. Good players tend to find ways to make themselves useful. Make cuts, get some extra rebounds, hit your shots at a reasonable rate, etc.

I do agree with you that the ball movement on this team is an eyesore. I don’t even think a lot of the guys are selfish–they just do not have the physical ability to make good passes so they resort to what they’re used to, which is chucking. Stop me if you’ve heard this before, but the New York Knicks could sure use a real point guard!

Yea noble, I guess you’re right and I was overreacting. But I get so pissed when everyone looks at the stats without watching the game and seeing wtf is going on. He’s not the problem. This ain’t culture building.

the only good thing on offense he does is pass the ball…. and that’s basically undermining the one thing on offense he can do….

Anyways , I am guessing if we trade Frank to the Spurs or Raptors or something, and he ends up with Arizas exact career arc, we’ll all forget how we clamored for his trade to begin with, and stutter an “lol Knicks” trope.

I haven’t seen one person clamor for his trade. Literally, not one. On the contrary, most Frank-skeptics likely would agree that now would be the absolute worst time to trade him.

I would play him as much as we can in every role. On the ball, off the ball, all kinds of defensive matchups, etc. We’re not going to see any development, or any burgeoning trade value, playing him 10 MPG.

The “giving up on Frank” stuff sure sounds like a political “Eh, he’s a Phil guy, why bother wasting our time on him when Phil gets the blame for him? Now, Mario and Mudiay are on us, so we have to try to redeem them!”

Which, in turn, sounds extremely Knicksy.

Yeah, I’m afraid this is it. It doesn’t seem like there’s any kind of plan for the future either. It wouldn’t shock me if these guys aren’t even familiar with the cap intricacies that make Mudiay and Hezonja such a waste of time. That sounds extreme, and it probably is, but I can’t think of a justification for prioritizing them over Frank if you have a basic understanding of the cap.

Is it seriously just stand in the corner where the ball will never come to him?

That’s how you hide somebody on offense. (Because y’all seem to have noticed him out there, next game Fiz is going to have him wear a lampshade).

Probably the most fascinating thing is what, exactly, they’re telling him to do. Is it seriously just stand in the corner where the ball will never come to him?