Every team in the NBA including the Celtics, Spurs, Heat, etc… would give him a max contract if he was on their team and he came back good.

We all know it can all go to hell with another serious injury like his ACL or a series of them that destroys his development. But every team in the NBA is going to take the risk because of his age and upside. You don’t toss talents like this in the garbage because your favorite flawed model says he’s over rated now. You pay them and hope. This is one of the risks of the draft. You get players so young and sometimes so under developed, you have to pay them before you know how good they are going to be.

This is just terrible. All of it. Especially “you pay them and hope”. That’s exactly what you should never do. You pay for production you expect to receive, you don’t pay and pray for something better than you’ve ever seen.

At least, no GM who knows what they’re doing does.

Play him at power forward with a center, and teams are going to go small and pull him out of the paint, negating his rim protection and taking advantage of lateral movement that isn’t on par with the wings of the NBA.

I just don’t buy this. Some coach who goes small with Kanter and KP on the floor is committing to defend KP with some guy who is 6’8″ or less. Coaches are going to be scared of KPs offense in that case, and I think rightfully so. And that coach will be giving up rebounding also, because that guy is both smaller than a typical big and has to stick to KP like glue to have any chance of defending him.

I just figured I’d make my comment a post. 😉

http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-jimmy-butler-steve-mills-scott-perry/

That is a good sign as it literally kills any leverage the Wolves has, so the big offers involving picks should instantly be off the table. At least makes me a bit more confident that Mills and Perry will actually stick to the plan.

I mean, at this point at the very least we’re both snarky pricks to each other right?

When you start with “There are a number of permutations that would result in the Knicks being surprisingly good this year.”, I don’t read that as “this is what I see as the best case scenario”, I read this as “there are multiple possibilities that result in the Knicks being surprisingly good”.

Me, and ptmilo who I guess was even snarkier than me if that’s even a word that exists, were mostly arguing that we think this is super unlikely. Your post came out to me as saying that it’s more likely than people think, and I disagree, I think it’s extremely unlikely. Is it possible? Of course it is. But every offseason we have posts like yours outlining the possibilities of everything going right, and well, they never really materialize.

A very good player with immense potential and flaws that are glaringly obvious and should disqualify him from getting a max contract.

Everyone can say this in every thread until next year. It’s not going to change a thing.

If he comes back, stays healthy, and by the end of the season we can confidently say he has picked up where he left off or improved, he’s going to get a max contract. All the reasons have been highlighted to death, but the biggest is that’s he’s already better that all the BS boxscore models everyone is looking at say and everyone in the league knew coming in he was a 3-5 year project because of his body. It’s still early for him relative to players that come in with NBA bodies.

Every team in the NBA including the Celtics, Spurs, Heat, etc… would give him a max contract if he was on their team and he came back good.

We all know it can all go to hell with another serious injury like his ACL or a series of them that destroys his development. But every team in the NBA is going to take the risk because of his age and upside. You don’t toss talents like this in the garbage because your favorite flawed model says he’s over rated now. You pay them and hope. This is one of the risks of the draft. You get players so young and sometimes so under developed, you have to pay them before you know how good they are going to be.

A team with 7’3? big who can’t rebound is inherently built to not rebound well.

I don’t agree with any of this.

Dirk wasn’t a very good rebounder for a 7′ 1″ player partly because of his role and even though he was WAY stronger than KP is at this stage. Teamed with Chandler Dallas did fine.

KP is already a better defender than Dirk ever was, but as I said, KP’s rebounding should improve a little as he gets stronger and smaller players aren’t pushing him out, taking the ball away from him, or smacking it out of his hands because he’s so weak.

Rebounding is team and role issue. The idea is to fit the pieces together properly. It’s the least of our problems. It wasn’t a problem with KP and Kanter on the court together.

We’re talking about a certified stud; a top ten two-way player in the league and the best shooting guard in the NBA; just last week he turned 29 years old; serious about winning with an of the charts work ethic; culture setter and proper role model for youth. No bad habits plus I have to admit, he’s really easy on my eyes. His value is down now that everyone knows Thibs has to move him. Its a perfect storm and opportunity for us to steal the best shooting guard in the NBA for a mid-ceiling young kid (Frank) and likely non-lottery, bottom of the 1st round 2020 pick, while at the same time dumping Courtney’s contract.

Where are all the advanced stats on Butler? Bet they demonstrate the same thing I said above.

The only reason we don’t do this trade is because “we’re not ready and it speeds up our rebuild”… HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Three musketeers have no guts and without guts there is no glory. Like I said, look up at its 2022, they still have a job cause they did nothing wrong and we’re talking about the rebuild proces. Where did the time go?

“Like, every year we go through the same stuff, yes, there’s a chance the Knicks play well and that all the players develop and we could make noise and all…

The reality is that this team is really, really garbage. It is definitely one of the 5 worst teams in the league. This team went 6-26 without Porzingis and are returning 4 of the 5 starters of that team, plus replaced veterans like O’Quinn, McDermott, Beasley and Jack for literal rookies and failed projects in Hezonja and Vonleh. Rookies usually suck is kind of a rule, but specially both Knicks rookies are as incredibly raw as they can be and should not be expected to produce anytime soon….”
“…I don’t see this team winning more than 32 games ever, and I think that’s the team’s ceiling. I think the start without Porzingis will be an absolute mess and will kill the season right away before it had any chance to come to a playoff push. If I had to bet now without seeing preseason or training camps I would go with 25 wins, maybe 23 depending on KP’s return schedule.

Not sure how carefully you read my post but it’s a “best case scenario” post that culminates in “The most essential ingredients to winning are Kanter and Burke. Both would have to have career years for them to be in play for an 8th seed (which should be had for 38 wins or so.)” It is not a prediction.

So if your best case scenario is 32 wins, that scenario is actually consistent with what I wrote. A team that wins 32 will probably be “in play” for a playoff spot for most of the year in the EC. The Vegas line is set at 29.5. I think that’s pretty accurate, and if I had to bet I’d probably bet the under.

But shit happens. Who expected Oladipo to be one of the best players in the league last year? Indiana was projected as a lottery team and ran off 48 wins, mainly based on his development into a star, and less so on the equally unexpected emergence of Sabonis. It’s highly unlikely but possible, and all I was doing was pointing our what I think would have to happen for us to get to contending for an 8th seed in an historically weak conference. Even 38 wins still means that they are a bad team, probably a bottom 10 team in the league.

But if you feel that you need to be your usually snarky prick self towards my posts, sure, go ahead.