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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hubert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, I was talking about an NBA GM (Dell Demps) who (since drafting Anthony Davis in 2012) traded his first round pick in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2018.  And the one guy he did draft in 2016 (Buddy Hield) was traded before he finished his rookie season.  This isn&#039;t exactly Daryl Morey or Sam Hinkie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I was talking about an NBA GM (Dell Demps) who (since drafting Anthony Davis in 2012) traded his first round pick in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2018.  And the one guy he did draft in 2016 (Buddy Hield) was traded before he finished his rookie season.  This isn&#8217;t exactly Daryl Morey or Sam Hinkie.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hubert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t call the Burke talk optimism, though. It’s pure fantasy. It’s like scratching off only part a match-3 lotto ticket, finding a pair of $20 symbols and going around asking people if they’d pay you $15 for it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, it&#039;s like watching someone produce a specific way for three months and thinking that it&#039;s reasonable to be cautiously optimistic that he might be able to reach the height he already reached for another three months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don’t call the Burke talk optimism, though. It’s pure fantasy. It’s like scratching off only part a match-3 lotto ticket, finding a pair of $20 symbols and going around asking people if they’d pay you $15 for it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s like watching someone produce a specific way for three months and thinking that it&#8217;s reasonable to be cautiously optimistic that he might be able to reach the height he already reached for another three months.</p>
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		By: Z-man		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Z-man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 10:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best hope for Burke is that he plays like a $20+ million player (e.g. Isaiah Thomas) and we sign him for $10 million. Second best would be that he plays like a $12 million player and we sign him to a mid-level deal or trade him for cap relief or real assets. 

Worst outcome is that he plays like Isaiah Thomas, we win 10 extra games because of him, and we lose him for nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best hope for Burke is that he plays like a $20+ million player (e.g. Isaiah Thomas) and we sign him for $10 million. Second best would be that he plays like a $12 million player and we sign him to a mid-level deal or trade him for cap relief or real assets. </p>
<p>Worst outcome is that he plays like Isaiah Thomas, we win 10 extra games because of him, and we lose him for nothing.</p>
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		By: Knick fan not in NJ at this time		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Knick fan not in NJ at this time]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 09:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree it&#039;s unlikely that the Knicks trade Burke, for all of the reasons given above.  But they do have other guards on the roster, and they will see those guys in practice.   They then might make a trade for the traditional reason that the backup guy is almost as good and they can get something useful for the starter.   In the case of the Knicks, maybe they will have Burke starting with THJ, Knox, Hezonja and Kanter; but then think they could do better with Ntilikina because that lineup needs defense more than scoring.   But assuming we will have two starting quality point guards on the roster is a big big if, and I have no faith at all that our current management values defense over offense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it&#8217;s unlikely that the Knicks trade Burke, for all of the reasons given above.  But they do have other guards on the roster, and they will see those guys in practice.   They then might make a trade for the traditional reason that the backup guy is almost as good and they can get something useful for the starter.   In the case of the Knicks, maybe they will have Burke starting with THJ, Knox, Hezonja and Kanter; but then think they could do better with Ntilikina because that lineup needs defense more than scoring.   But assuming we will have two starting quality point guards on the roster is a big big if, and I have no faith at all that our current management values defense over offense.</p>
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		By: mase		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 07:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@40

 Because the knicks will try to trade him if they think there is a market for him, as they should, and once he becomes available we lose our levarage in any “home town discount” scenario if he doesn’t get moved. This is not an ideal situation to get back a good return because he is expiring. He would have to play extremely well, lo get back any return that exceeds his value to us as a non contending team and other teams know that so they won’t offer much even if he continues to breakout. In all likelihood he is worth a second round pick to someone and we will take it. Which we shouldn’t since we need him. 

Attaching him to Lee for space is also questionable, cuz we are gonna waste our cap on Kyrie the injury prone non defense shiny object and/or butler our other shiny object over 30.  

Come to think of it, over paying Burke ain’t such a bad outcome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@40</p>
<p> Because the knicks will try to trade him if they think there is a market for him, as they should, and once he becomes available we lose our levarage in any “home town discount” scenario if he doesn’t get moved. This is not an ideal situation to get back a good return because he is expiring. He would have to play extremely well, lo get back any return that exceeds his value to us as a non contending team and other teams know that so they won’t offer much even if he continues to breakout. In all likelihood he is worth a second round pick to someone and we will take it. Which we shouldn’t since we need him. </p>
<p>Attaching him to Lee for space is also questionable, cuz we are gonna waste our cap on Kyrie the injury prone non defense shiny object and/or butler our other shiny object over 30.  </p>
<p>Come to think of it, over paying Burke ain’t such a bad outcome.</p>
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		By: bidiong		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 06:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Trey does well the Knicks will think they can sign him on a &quot;hometown&quot; discount. Then we&#039;ll overpay him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Trey does well the Knicks will think they can sign him on a &#8220;hometown&#8221; discount. Then we&#8217;ll overpay him.</p>
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		By: Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 05:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1</p>
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		By: Bruno Almeida		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 04:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@38

What I mean by his production is hypothetical is not that he did not produce, he did and very well for a limited amount of games, it’s just that people seem to be guaranteeing he’ll be this guy from now on and that’s a done thing. We haven’t seen him play even a minute yet, we can’t possibly know if he is a solid starter.

Teams trade for expiring contracts, yeah, but my point was more about: for a trade scenario to come up, he has to be good enough to warrant 
1) a team willing to trade for him to be sure he’ll be impactful enough even if he bails next season 
2) the Knicks not wanting to keep him while he’s playing very well.

Those two scenarios are incredibly unlikely to happen at the same time. If he’s good enough that a team with playoff aspirations is willing to give a pretty good asset for a 6 month rental of him, then why the hell would we be trading this 26 year old dude that’s very fucking good? 

This is what I mean when I say a trade is probably absurd to think about. In the scenarios where he doesn’t develop, he won’t have trade value; in the scenarios where he does, why wouldn’t the Knicks just keep him, when he fits a need and is young enough to be promising plus would probably be inclined to re-signed with the team that put him on the map once more?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@38</p>
<p>What I mean by his production is hypothetical is not that he did not produce, he did and very well for a limited amount of games, it’s just that people seem to be guaranteeing he’ll be this guy from now on and that’s a done thing. We haven’t seen him play even a minute yet, we can’t possibly know if he is a solid starter.</p>
<p>Teams trade for expiring contracts, yeah, but my point was more about: for a trade scenario to come up, he has to be good enough to warrant<br />
1) a team willing to trade for him to be sure he’ll be impactful enough even if he bails next season<br />
2) the Knicks not wanting to keep him while he’s playing very well.</p>
<p>Those two scenarios are incredibly unlikely to happen at the same time. If he’s good enough that a team with playoff aspirations is willing to give a pretty good asset for a 6 month rental of him, then why the hell would we be trading this 26 year old dude that’s very fucking good? </p>
<p>This is what I mean when I say a trade is probably absurd to think about. In the scenarios where he doesn’t develop, he won’t have trade value; in the scenarios where he does, why wouldn’t the Knicks just keep him, when he fits a need and is young enough to be promising plus would probably be inclined to re-signed with the team that put him on the map once more?</p>
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		By: The Glass Half Rebuilt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My hopes for Trey Burke are for him to put up Kemba Walker numbers and then for us to attach him to Courtney Lee in a trade for Danny Green’s expiring contract. A 1RP would be nice, but $40M+ in cap space to add a player or two Porzingis, Zion, Knox, and Ntilikina? That’s more like it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hopes for Trey Burke are for him to put up Kemba Walker numbers and then for us to attach him to Courtney Lee in a trade for Danny Green’s expiring contract. A 1RP would be nice, but $40M+ in cap space to add a player or two Porzingis, Zion, Knox, and Ntilikina? That’s more like it.</p>
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		By: Z-man		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Burke&#039;s production is not &quot;entirely hypothetical.&quot; Nor is it &quot;pure fantasy.&quot; He&#039;s essentially Jeremy Lin 2.0, meaning that there will likely be some regression but even so, he&#039;s still at worst a solid rotation player. He had an outstanding half-season in the G-League followed by an outstanding half-season in the NBA. 

If you think we shouldn&#039;t hold our breath for a crazy trade offer or sign him to a big contract, sure, I agree. But everything Burke did last year was consistent with who he was initially projected to be as a lottery pick and nothing he posted (other than perhaps an unsustainably high 2ptFG%) is all that far removed from his established skillset. He&#039;s a very skilled ball-handler and passer, and scored reasonably efficiently at all three levels. And he was 25 years old, which is a common age for PGs to turn the corner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burke&#8217;s production is not &#8220;entirely hypothetical.&#8221; Nor is it &#8220;pure fantasy.&#8221; He&#8217;s essentially Jeremy Lin 2.0, meaning that there will likely be some regression but even so, he&#8217;s still at worst a solid rotation player. He had an outstanding half-season in the G-League followed by an outstanding half-season in the NBA. </p>
<p>If you think we shouldn&#8217;t hold our breath for a crazy trade offer or sign him to a big contract, sure, I agree. But everything Burke did last year was consistent with who he was initially projected to be as a lottery pick and nothing he posted (other than perhaps an unsustainably high 2ptFG%) is all that far removed from his established skillset. He&#8217;s a very skilled ball-handler and passer, and scored reasonably efficiently at all three levels. And he was 25 years old, which is a common age for PGs to turn the corner.</p>
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